How do I get her to go further?

Bob246

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This is a somewhat long story so bear with me. No, it's not a story for the site, it's real and I'm, asking for suggestions. What I am about to describe is a series of events that have happened very slowly over the last 13 years. So be forewarned that this post is somewhat lengthy.

I've been trying for years to get my wife of 13 years to open up sexually. I've always had a thing for group sex, voyeurism, etc. I'm the type who will try anything once, no matter how bizzarre it might seem. She's always been the total opposite. So I've been trying to very slowly ease her into a more diverse sex life. The thing is, I feel the way I do because of how strongly I love my wife. It's not just a matter of me trying get my freak on or anything. I had a mff experience before we met and it blew me away. Knowing her the way I do, I know a mfm experience would do the same for her as the mff did for me.

It started with toys and so forth when we first got together. I loved watching her masturbate. The sight of seeing her being entered by something other than me just drove me over the edge. I couldn't get enough of watching her. Eventually, this led me to the realization that I wanted to watch her have sex with someone else. It became more than just a fantasy for me though, it became an obsession. In order for this to become reality, it was going to take a lot of work to get her to agree to it. Keep in mind, I never pressured her or tried to force her into anything.

She got to the point where she was totally fine with masturbating in front of me. Eventually, she liked it as much as I did. So much so that it became part of our routine sexlife. She even masturbated frequently when we were apart. Something she rarely did before.

One night, while she was masturbating for me, I brought the subject up of her having sex with someone else. She was really upset about it and made a big deal out of it. I told her it was a fantasy of mine and the idea of it really turned me on. She told me I was crazy and would never dream of such a thing. She wouldn't even let me talk about it when I was with her. So I let it go and vowed to never bring it up again.

One night she was really into sex. We were in bed for hours and had an incredible time with each other. She shocked me by bringing up the subject of her having sex with someone else. She told me to be quiet and she would masturbate and pretend she was having sex with someone else. She got so into it so much that I thought she was going to make the cieling collapse. I'm sure the neighbors got a rather amusing audio treat that night.

Obviously, the thought of her having sex with someone else really wasn't something that she was totally turned off by. She admitted to me that the thought did turn her on if the mood was right. However, she made it clear that it was only a fantasy and would never go beyond that. It was/is commonplace for us to discuss our fantasies while having sex. All sorts of stuff. However, the fantasy discussions always ended up about her being in bed with someone else. To be fair, I pretty much directed the discussion down that road. Seldom was it her, unless she was doing it for my benefit. This went on for a few years like this. It got to the point where we had some very in depth fantasy talk about the subject.

I had accepted that she wasn't going to take it any further and was content with just fantasizing. Then she dropped a bombshell on me one night. I always told her, half jokingly, that she had my blessing to have sex with anyone at any time. Yeah right, was her usual response. Then one night she went out after work with some people she worked with. She wasn't much of a drinker, so it didn't take much to get her feeling really good. Once she was pretty buzzed, her inhibitions were lowered dramatically.

She came home that night and was as excited as I've ever seen her. I wanted to know what the deal was and why she was so sexually charged up. She said something happened while she was out. A guy asked her to dance and she accepted. While dancing, they ended up kissing. One thing led to another and they ended up in her car feeling each other up. I forget why, but it didn't go beyond the petting in the car. That night she was crazy in bed. Easily the best night we've shared together since we first met.

During pillow talk, we discussed the events of that night in great detail. Bottomline was that she wanted to have sex with this guy. I was all for it and wanted to be part of it. She said no way. She would only have sex one on one. She said I talked about her having sex with someone else so much that she now wanted it too, but it was my fault. A threesome was completely out of the question.

This is not what I wanted, but I figured it was a start and could eventually lead to her going further down the road. She met the guy again and tried to have sex with him. It never happened. Turned out he was married too and chickened out at the last minute. This completely crushed my wife. The guy had nothing to do with it, at this point it was just finding someone to have sex with for her. She was always really paranoid that word would get around and she'd never live it down. This guy was someone who was not part of her circle and she felt comfortable with it. It took her over a year before she would even consider finding another partner.

Then she got a new job within her company and things changed. She was put into a position where she would be working on a national level and that meant travel. She had worked with a guy years ago and admitted to me that she would like to try and get him to have sex with her. He currently worked in an office in another city so she was fine with it. In fact, most of the time he worked out of the country. They got together on several occasions over a year or so. Always for drinks, dinner whatever. They had made out, felt each other up, even had oral sex with each other. For some reason, he wouldn't have intercourse with her. My wife is very attractive, so that wasn't the issue. We never really did find out what it was.

Finally one night, he was in town and had agreed to meet her at our house. Since she would only do things one on one, I agreed to go out for the evening. We made a deal that if she had sex with him, she'd call me on my cell phone right afterwards and only let the phone ring once and hang up. Kind of silly, but I was in such a state that I couldn't wait until I got hme to find out. Not after waiting all this time. She didn't want him to know that I was aware of this so that was the reason for her not simply speaking to me on the phone.

Sure enough, after about 3 hours of being out of the house, the phone call finally came. A rush of emotions came over me. Jealousy, rage, excitement, etc. The trouble I had was keeping my erection hidden though. I was so turned on, but at the same time not sure what I had done. I was terrified that this would have a negative affect on our relationship. Would she feel the same towards me now, and would I feel the same towards her?

When I got home that night she was so scared. Obviously, she was worried about the same things I was. There was also a part of her that felt really cheap, and dirty. I comforted her and told her not to worry about how I felt. That I was fine with everything. Truth is, I was for the most part, but I had this weird feeling though. I convinced her that she was just acting out a fantasy and letting her hair down. The fact that we went into this together made it okay and that she wasn't cheap or dirty.

We had great sex that night. I'm embarrassed to admit it, but going down on her and tasting another man's cum inside her was as fulfilling an experience as I can remember. I'm a fairly well put toghether guy and I have a member that is right around 8". She told me that the thing she liked the most about it was that he was a lot bigger than me. Sure enough, when I entered her, I could certainly tell. She felt like she had been with king kong. We don't have any children, so I've always had the luxury of my wife being really tight. Not that night. She was so stretched, and so wet from her juices and his. She just felt incredible.

She wanted to do it again and I agreed. It happened a few times. Each time I would go out, come home while they were still going at it, but park around the corner and wait for her to call and tell me that he had left. The sex we had afterwards was always really good. For me anyway. I have a hard time believeing she got all that much out of sex with me after having such a huge penis in her just a short while before. I got feelings of inadequacy and so forth, but I didn't care. Truth is, I loved the creampies.

He stopped coming to our town after they had done it a few times. They still got together, but only when she went away to his town for work. They've had sex now about 20 times over a 3 year period. Each time, we talk on the phone afterwards. It's just not the same for me as I love being with her after it's over. I want to be there, but she won't agree to it. I've even tried to get her to find another partner who is local, but she won't. She was never totally comfortable with it to begin with and finding one partner was hard enough for her. There was no way she would let anyone else get involved. That and I think she's just nuts about his big penis. She's offer to stop numerous times, but I've always told her not to. I know she gets a ton of enjoyment out of it, she's honest and open with me about it, so why? Because she enjoys it so much, I don't have any issues with her having sex with him on a fairly regular basis. Other than knowing she's enjoyed herself, there's not much I get out of it now. If I could just be with her afterwards, I'd probably feel different.

She had sex with him again tonight. We talked about it quite a bit over the last few days. She agreed to do something different tonight. She called me on her cell phone and then left it on the night table by the bed so I could listen. It was certainly different and I'm still trying to digest what I took in. Tonight was much more than just words afterwards. I actually got to hear her moan and have a few orgasms. It's left me with a feeling of wanting so much more.

What I really want is to join in and be part of it. I think she might eventually come around to it, but she also might be 70 (we are both 35 now) by then with how long all of this has taken to unfold. I've begged for her to let me come down there and hide in the closet or something and watch. She's always said no rather emphatically to things like that. Tonight she said she'd think about it, but again, she might be 70 by the time it actually happens.

I've been very understanding about her feelings in all of this. I've agreed to anything she's wanted and have always done what I could to make her feel okay with it afterwards. She still feels cheap and dirty sometimes afterwards. I'm at the point where I just want this to progress to the next level now. It all started out as a fantasy between the two of us. It's now moved along to the point where it's just her having an affair. I'm not jealous (okay, a little, but not enough to where it's a problem), upset or anything like that. It hasn't put a strain on our relationship at all. In fact, it's made our sex life much much better. It's also drawn the two of us much closer as a couple in general. Because we can be so open and honest with each other about all of this, it has caused us to become open and honest with each other about every part of our relationship. I mean, I can actually say to her, "Yes, dear, that skirt does make you look fat."

I guess I'm finally being greedy now. I want more and don't know how to go about it. I'm truly convinced that she will eventually agree to everything I want, but I can't pressure her and must allow it to happen slowly. One step at a time. I've just run out of ideas as to what to do next. Also, keep in mind that I'm not doing this becuase I want to have sex with other females. The thing that motivates is my wife's orgasms. Whether I give them to her, or someone else does, I just love knowing that she came. She cums so hard and so frequently. The look on her face while she is having an orgasm makes me fall in love with her all over again everytime. The sicko in me really wants to watch too.

If you made it this far, thank you for reading my long, and I'm sure, very borish story. If you could offer any suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated. Comments are welcome too. I'm sure some of you will call me a freak or whatever, and that's fine. I like everything that's happened so far and would do it all again. It's all been between consenting adults. The only secret about the whole thing is her partner thinks it's a secret affair and I don't know about it. Keep in mind, this is not just a story. This is all real.

I'm looking forward to any and all responses.
 
Why don't you post this as a story?

You can add the 2nd and 3rd chapters as you move on. It may take a while, but you never know.

I guess you are looking for an assurance, and I think what you are doing is right. Patience seems to be your treatment.

Good luck and keep us posted.
 
Sorry,
but I think you are about to lose your wife.

But maybe not, does sound like she want's her cake and eat it to.
 
If you have sex the way you type, I wouldn't be interested either.
 
freakygirl said:
Did this get moved here from the How To Cafe?


He said 'How do...', not 'how to'. If it moves, I won't find out how this ends, dammit!
 
Bob246 said:
This is a somewhat long story so bear with me.

<snipping Proustian-length post>

I'm looking forward to any and all responses.

See that part of your post I left unsnipped? That's pretty much our attention span here.
 
dagdag said:
Why don't you post this as a story?

You can add the 2nd and 3rd chapters as you move on. It may take a while, but you never know.

I guess you are looking for an assurance, and I think what you are doing is right. Patience seems to be your treatment.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Well, as Bent so eloquently and correctly pointed out, I suck at typing. That and I have no interest in being an author. I've been lurking here for a long time and love the site. Just felt like tonight was a good time to finally make a post.

As to the losing my wife comment, not gonna happen. Like I said in my first post, this whole thing has actually made our relationship a whole lot stronger.
 
Bob246 said:
Well, as Bent so eloquently and correctly pointed out, I suck at typing. That and I have no interest in being an author. I've been lurking here for a long time and love the site. Just felt like tonight was a good time to finally make a post.

As to the losing my wife comment, not gonna happen. Like I said in my first post, this whole thing has actually made our relationship a whole lot stronger.


Can you give me the Cliff's notes version, please?
 
Bob246 said:

As to the losing my wife comment, not gonna happen. Like I said in my first post, this whole thing has actually made our relationship a whole lot stronger.

So the reason for your post is...? I can see what's in it for your wife. You want reassurance from us?

You say this has made your relationship stronger, but it sounds like she's rebuffed your request to have a 3-way; also, her interest in extramarital sex appears limited to this one guy. This suggests to me that she actually does have an attachment to the guy.
 
Wrong Element said:
So the reason for your post is...? I can see what's in it for your wife. You want reassurance from us?

You say this has made your relationship stronger, but it sounds like she's rebuffed your request to have a 3-way; also, her interest in extramarital sex appears limited to this one guy. This suggests to me that she actually does have an attachment to the guy.


Grrrrrrrrrrr! Now I'm gonna have to read that whole damn thing!
 
Ok, I read it. She's already having an affair, and was when you first mentioned it or was close to starting one. That's the vibe I'm getting, and I'm rarely, rarely wrong.
 
Bob246 said:
As to the losing my wife comment, not gonna happen. Like I said in my first post, this whole thing has actually made our relationship a whole lot stronger.
I'm not so sure about that. You mentioned more than once that she feels cheap and dirty after the extramarital sex and you have felt both jealousy and rage. If you carry this to the next level, these feelings for both of you could intensify. Is the thrill of the new experience worth the potential dissolution of your marriage?

It would be one thing if you were both equally into these sexual adventures, but you are having to convince her (and it seems, yourself) that this is a good idea. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's time to cut back, and take your fantasies in new directions. How about exploring new sexual boundaries with only each other?

Now perhaps it's because your story revolves around this particular sexual kink, but do you desire your wife as much when it's just her, as opposed to her after she's been filled by another guy? I'm not getting the vibe that one-on-one sex is enough for you anymore. Why is that?
 
Wrong Element said:
So the reason for your post is...? I can see what's in it for your wife. You want reassurance from us?

You say this has made your relationship stronger, but it sounds like she's rebuffed your request to have a 3-way; also, her interest in extramarital sex appears limited to this one guy. This suggests to me that she actually does have an attachment to the guy.

The reason for the post was the slight chance that someone might have an idea to offer that would help me out. Not looking for reassurance of anykind. If nobody does, so be it...

She has rebuffed my request for the 3-way to this point. She also rebuffed all of my other requests in this initially as well. The point of the long post was to provide as many details as I could so a reader might understand her mindset. She usually agrees to everything eventually, it just takes a ridiculously long time.

I'm sure there has to be some attachment to the guy. Wouldn't most people develop an attachment after having sex with someone that often? She made it clear from the beginning that she would only do this with one person. It took a long time (years) for her to get the nerve up to sleep with him, she's not going to sleep with someone else easily. She has no problem with ending it at anytime. I'm the one who told her to keep doing it. I told her as long as she's still enjoying it a lot, she's welcome to keep going.

Without writing another 1000 word post, it's not a problem for us. I'm 100% confident in that.
 
Bent said:
Ok, I read it. She's already having an affair, and was when you first mentioned it or was close to starting one. That's the vibe I'm getting, and I'm rarely, rarely wrong.

An consensual affair though; She knows it, I know it, you know it, everybody knows it! ie: not guilty. Remember OJ :)
 
Bob246 said:
She usually agrees to everything eventually, it just takes a ridiculously long time.

Without writing another 1000 word post, it's not a problem for us. I'm 100% confident in that.
She loves you. She married you. She is not naturally comfortable with doing this stuff, but out of love for you, she is going beyond her boundaries. It's taking her a "ridiculously" long time because she has to reconcile what she wants to do with what she thinks she has to do to make you happy.

Maybe it'd be a nice change of pace if you listened to what she wanted instead of "knowing" that she'd love sexual experiences you had before her.
 
dagdag said:
An consensual affair though; She knows it, I know it, you know it, everybody knows it! ie: not guilty. Remember OJ :)


Are you the inital poster? If she did it before he/you were aware, then it was an affair.
 
Mischka said:
I'm not so sure about that. You mentioned more than once that she feels cheap and dirty after the extramarital sex and you have felt both jealousy and rage. If you carry this to the next level, these feelings for both of you could intensify. Is the thrill of the new experience worth the potential dissolution of your marriage?

It would be one thing if you were both equally into these sexual adventures, but you are having to convince her (and it seems, yourself) that this is a good idea. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's time to cut back, and take your fantasies in new directions. How about exploring new sexual boundaries with only each other?

Now perhaps it's because your story revolves around this particular sexual kink, but do you desire your wife as much when it's just her, as opposed to her after she's been filled by another guy? I'm not getting the vibe that one-on-one sex is enough for you anymore. Why is that?

I guess the vibe you're getting is because I only focused on this one part of our relationship. I mean, If I touched on all of the parts of our relationship I'd be writing a novel and not just a ridiculously long post. This whole experience has opened up other doors within the sexlife we share privately. One on one between her and I is the best it's ever been right now. This particular subject only comes up about once every three months or so. It's not a big deal. The feelings I mentioned about jealousy and rage were pretty much my initial recations as I had never done anything like this with someone I care so much about. I should have said so in my original post. Pretty much now it's just about me being greedy and wanting more.
 
Mischka said:
She loves you. She married you. She is not naturally comfortable with doing this stuff, but out of love for you, she is going beyond her boundaries. It's taking her a "ridiculously" long time because she has to reconcile what she wants to do with what she thinks she has to do to make you happy.

Maybe it'd be a nice change of pace if you listened to what she wanted instead of "knowing" that she'd love sexual experiences you had before her.

Fair point.

I'll discuss this with her. Like I said in the post, we are able to honestly discuss anything now. Perhaps my greediness has caused me to look at it from my perspective only.
 
Bent said:
Are you the inital poster? If she did it before he/you were aware, then it was an affair.

No I am not the initial poster. As far as the initial poster's wife; she had her husband's full blessing prior to their adventure.
 
dagdag said:
No I am not the initial poster. As far as the initial poster's wife; she had her husband's full blessing prior to their adventure.

I said I felt she was having an affair before that.
 
Bent said:
Are you the inital poster? If she did it before he/you were aware, then it was an affair.

That's the part I think you either misread, or I didn't state clearly enough. EVERY step of this whole thing was completely consentual. She hasn't hid a single thing from me in all of this.
 
Bob246 said:
That's the part I think you either misread, or I didn't state clearly enough. EVERY step of this whole thing was completely consentual. She hasn't hid a single thing from me in all of this.

Ok, so then what's your beef?
 
Bob246 said:
Perhaps my greediness has caused me to look at it from my perspective only.
I wouldn't call it greediness as much as excitement. You've explored sexual boundaries few couples have successfully approached, and you've stayed together and apparently achieved even greater intimacy. I'm sounding like a hard-ass because I'm just concerned that despite the desire to push the sex even further, sometimes the boundaries are reached. One person may be willing to go further, but the couple can't go further.

But, hey, you've had a helluva ride so far. I hope you two continue to have a fabulous time fulfilling an ever-growing list of fantasies.
 
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