Harry Reid and Barack Obama want a government shutdown.

[zipman]

Oh zip, I see this has really put the wind back into your sails!


You came here today to celebrate.


Happy, happy, happy...

I think it's a complete failure if the government shuts down.

I'm not happy at all.

But let's not lie about it. You can try and spin it all you want, but the republicans decided to make one last desperation try to stop ACA. This is the result. Simple cause and effect.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Repudiation of Obamanomics
Art Laffer and Stephan Moore

So how did Barack Obama, who promised to be a transformational president—and, one must admit, in his first term, he surely was—manage to corner himself fiscally? During the first three years of the Obama presidency, we saw the biggest budget blowout in decades. Federal spending surged by just over $1 trillion to a post-World War II high of just over 27 percent of GDP in 2010. It looked then as though the $800 billion of stimulus spending would become a permanent addition to agency spending baselines, that the president had succeeded in forever ratcheting up federal expenditures to a new plateau of over one-quarter of all national output.

This didn’t happen in large part because of the creation of the Tea Party movement and the historic 2010 midterm elections, which amounted to an outright repudiation of Obama-Reid-Pelosi spending. The GOP took control of the lower legislative chamber and elevated John Boehner, who is among the unsung heroes in this story, to Speaker of the House. This slammed the brakes on the real spending spree which began in 2007 when Nancy Pelosi took the gavel. In her first two years as Speaker, spending rose by almost $500 billion, and the deficit, which had slid down to $161 billion in 2007, rose to $459 billion in 2008, and then hit the unthinkable height of $1.4 trillion the next year.

THE BIG BUDGET showdown between Obama and Boehner took place during the debt ceiling negotiations of 2011. The president was thought to have been the winner here when Republicans retreated from a debt default stare-down. But as we look back two years later, we see, in fact, that it’s more accurate to say Obama won the short term P.R. battle but lost the war.

Here’s why: House Republicans strongarmed the White House into accepting a series of spending caps that Obama now certainly regrets. First, the White House agreed to the Budget Control Act of 2011 with $1 trillion of deficit reduction over 10 years through expenditure caps. Then the president accepted another $1 trillion of sequesters and lower caps through 2021 after the so-called super-committee failed to reach an agreement on entitlement cuts and taxes. White House budget chief and now Treasury Secretary Jack Lew—the man who came up with the idea of the sequester, according to Bob Woodward’s book on the negotiations—made a catastrophic miscalculation. He believed defense hawk Republicans would never agree to the sequester cuts to the Pentagon. The White House bet that Republicans would raise taxes before cutting military spending.

They were wrong. House Republicans rightly decided that as the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were winding down, defense would be cut under any scenario. So it made the most strategic sense to uphold the sequester, to ensure that the “peace dividend” did not get spent elsewhere.

The shutdown is a political ploy to preserve their one little victory and to set the stage to retake the government so that the Democrats can go back to unchecked spending.

This is why that have to shutdown the government.

They are losing...

http://spectator.org/archives/2013/10/01/obamanomics-rip/print

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yes zip, we see your exuberance.

You have just won the 2014 and 2016 elections because now you have an event to blame for all of the shortcomings of Obamanomics and Obamacare...



Enjoy your victory! Enjoy the shutdown. Enjoy the pain your party inflicts...

You might not ever have to hear from the Middle Class ever again.

In fact, it night shut up and go away altogether...

FOREVER!!!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

All I will say is there has never been a population in the history of the world that has had their life made better by big government in the long run.

Just because it has become a law, does not mean it is a good law. There have also been laws for slavery, women not voting, drinking, prostitution and drugs... some have been repealed, and guess why?

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/09/u...-medicare-law-fell.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm


From what I read on here, several of you that are saying "it is a law" pick and choose what law you want to follow......

There are good laws, that help the overall populous and there are bad laws that hurt the overall populous.....

How good of a law can it be if there are parts the President does not want to inflict upon his voting constituency?

 

[zipman]

Yes zip, we see your exuberance.

You have just won the 2014 and 2016 elections because now you have an event to blame for all of the shortcomings of Obamanomics and Obamacare...



Enjoy your victory! Enjoy the shutdown. Enjoy the pain your party inflicts...

You might not ever have to hear from the Middle Class ever again.

In fact, it night shut up and go away altogether...

FOREVER!!!

Let's be clear, the radical right wing who you agree with and support tried to link the budget to changing ACA by threatening this shutdown.

It didn't work.

Now you blame me.

You sure are one crazy bastard.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If President Obama were really clever*, he’d jump at the Republicans’ proposal in the continuing resolution to delay Obamacare for one year. A one-year delay is perhaps the only chance to prevent the Obamacare exchanges from becoming a disaster.

Don’t take my word for it. Here’s Kevin Counihan, chief executive of Connecticut’s exchange, Access Health CT: “It is highly complex , it’s unprecedented and it’s not going to be smooth…. This is a two- to three-year implementation we’re doing in 10 months. I wish we had one more year.”

The problem is that the test runs have revealed the exchange websites aren’t ready for prime time. For example, the software used on the federal exchanges cannot accurately calculate health insurance prices. Nor can it reliably transfer people who are eligible for Medicaid to the proper state agencies. The Spanish-language version of the exchange websites and parts of the small business program won’t be ready by opening day, October 1. And those are the problems we know about. Odds are good other difficulties will surface soon after the exchanges open.

Many of the fifteen exchanges run by state governments and the government of Washington, D.C. also face technology problems — a list is provided at the end of this article. What should most concern the administration is that the technology glitches will only feed the biggest problem the exchanges face, that of a “death spiral.”

A death spiral occurs when not enough young and healthy people buy insurance, resulting in an “insurance pool” whose members tend to be older and sicker. The pool is thus more expensive to cover, causing insurers to raise prices resulting in even more young and healthy people dropping out. This process continues until the insurance pool is so expensive to cover that insurance prices are appealing only to people who are older and sicker.

David Hogberg, American Spectator
http://spectator.org/archives/2013/10/01/let-the-death-spiral-begin/print



* Obama will forego clever for not admitting mistakes any day of the week, all day long.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yes zip.


This is the longest stretch that you've been here in a long time. We get it!

You are fired up again by Hope and Change!

 

[zipman]

Yes zip.


This is the longest stretch that you've been here in a long time. We get it!

You are fired up again by Hope and Change!

I'm working from home today.

Did you miss me?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Damn!



You are one celebratory dude this morning! I knew you would be.

I've already seen Throb and Merc quoted happy as hell that they "won."

There was no way that there wasn't going to be a shutdown.

Harry and Barry would have never accepted a clean resolution. They would have added poison pills and then, again accused the Republicans of never wanting to compromise.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

WASHINGTON -- We are, I fear, slowly moving from "the affluent society" toward a "spoils society." In 1958, Harvard economist John Kenneth Galbraith published his best-seller, "The Affluent Society," which profoundly influenced national thinking for decades. To the Great Depression's survivors, post-World War II prosperity dazzled. Suburbia offered a quiet alternative to crowded and noisy cities. New technologies impressed -- television, frozen foods, automatic washers and dryers. Never, it seemed, had so much been enjoyed by so many.

This explosive abundance, Galbraith argued, meant the country could afford both private wants and public needs. It could devote more to schools, roads, parks and pollution control. Economic growth became the holy grail of government policy. Production was paramount. It muted social conflict.

The "spoils society" reverses this logic. It de-emphasizes production and fuels conflict. Here's why.

There are two ways to become richer. One is to provide more goods and services; that's economic growth. The other is to snatch someone else's wealth or income; that's the spoils society. In a spoils society, economic success increasingly depends on who wins countless distributional contests: not who creates wealth but who controls it. But this can be contentious. Winners celebrate; losers fume.

Now you know why the Democrats so enjoy the fuming of the Republicans and why they want to shut the government down; they think they are on a winning streak and think that the Republican vehicle is just running of "fumes."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar..._the_spoils_society_120145.html#ixzz2gTJzMSkM

 

[RobDownSouth]

All I will say is there has never been a population in the history of the world that has had their life made better by big government in the long run.Just because it has become a law, does not mean it is a good law. There have also been laws for slavery, women not voting, drinking, prostitution and drugs... some have been repealed, and guess why?http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/09/u...-medicare-law-fell.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm From what I read on here, several of you that are saying "it is a law" pick and choose what law you want to follow......There are good laws, that help the overall populous and there are bad laws that hurt the overall populous.....

One more time:
How many "do-overs" do you need before you admit defeat?

You've had 4 chances so far. You've lost each time.

 

[zipman]

Damn!



You are one celebratory dude this morning! I knew you would be.

I've already seen Throb and Merc quoted happy as hell that they "won."

There was no way that there wasn't going to be a shutdown.

Harry and Barry would have never accepted a clean resolution. They would have added poison pills and then, again accused the Republicans of never wanting to compromise.

That's just silly. Then it would be the democrats fault.

Only an idiot would think there wouldn't be negative repercussions from shutting down the government.

The bottom line is your precious rabid right wingers didn't give them a clean resolution. See, that's a fact. Unlike what you post.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Damn!You are one celebratory dude this morning! I knew you would be.I've already seen Throb and Merc quoted happy as hell that they "won." There was no way that there wasn't going to be a shutdown. Harry and Barry would have never accepted a clean resolution. They would have added poison pills and then, again accused the Republicans of never wanting to compromise.

I'm happy as hell that President Obama and Harry Reid stood firm and refused to re-re-re-renogiate Obamacare for the fourth time as a condition of your Tea Party Republicans doing their job.

Why are you so scared of the clean CR?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Let's be clear, the radical right wing who you agree with and support tried to link the budget to changing ACA by threatening this shutdown.

It didn't work.

Now you blame me.

You sure are one crazy bastard.

The radical right wing are anarchists, dip stick.

The political spectrum is as follows: left to right.

TOTALITARIANS, SOCIALISTS, LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVES, LIBERTARIANS, ANARCHISTS.

 

[doctor_insanus]

Did Harry Reid and Barack Obama want a government shutdown? Only in the minds of conservatives who are desperately looking for a way to shift the blame.

Will Harry Reid and Barack Obama enjoy the self-immolation of the GOP as they pursue their suicidal quest to kill the ACA? Oh, yes.

 

[jeninflorida]

Cuckold obama and his loyal welfare cockroaches

 

[jeninflorida]

I'm working from home today.

Did you miss me?

That is a funny joke....two jokes!

Cuxkokd obama....land of idiots

 

[mercury14]

The Chair of the Tea Party Caucus says that shutdown is exactly what they wanted. But that must be Obama's fault.

Michele Bachmann “very excited” about the government shutdown, “It’s exactly what we wanted”
September 30, 2013

Republicans have wanted a government shutdown since before President Obama took office and none epitomize that as much as Michele Bachmann, because she’s crazy that’s why. Before it was reported tonight that House Republicans voted once more to defund Obamacare, while risking America’s economy, Michele Bachmann said she was “very excited” about the prospect.

She further said, “It’s exactly what we wanted, and we got it.”

http://freakoutnation.com/2013/09/3...vernment-shutdown-its-exactly-what-we-wanted/

 

[julybaby04]

The Chair of the Tea Party Caucus says that shutdown is exactly what they wanted. But that must be Obama's fault.





http://freakoutnation.com/2013/09/3...vernment-shutdown-its-exactly-what-we-wanted/

Anytime the government is not working, that is one day of freedom!

 

[Adre]

Stocks up a tad, gold down a bunch. Nothing to see or fear here. Carry on.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

But, but, but, teh hyper inflation

Just around the corner!
:nods:

 

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