Great Communist Leaders!

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Who are the top three? I pick Stalin,Mao and PolPot.These guys murdered more of there own people and you never hear about it from the left........Now Tito he was ok....The Russisans new better than to fuck with him.........Castro......Will that man ever die? So how many millions did the top three murder30/40 million

 

[Weevil]

Who are the top three? I pick Stalin,Mao and PolPot.These guys murdered more of there own people and you never hear about it from the left

So that would make the top three democratic leaders Hitler, Milosevic and Mussolini, right?

 

[freescorfr]

Who are the top three? I pick Stalin,Mao and PolPot.These guys murdered more of there own people and you never hear about it from the left........Now Tito he was ok....The Russisans new better than to fuck with him.........Castro......Will that man ever die? So how many millions did the top three murder30/40 million

Has this thread not been done before bored1?
It will all boil down to what you mean by communist and what you mean by dictator. And time and place and ecomomic conditions etc.

 

[bored1]

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So that would make the top three democratic leaders Hitler, Milosevic and Mussolini, right?

Im pretty sure they were fascists..............Mussolini....well he was a paper tiger and I dont think he murdered his own citizens...........Now Adolph did and so did Milosivic, they werent very nice men either...they still didnt kill as many as Uncle Joe or that little fat dude Mao........The thing about Mao was that jacket he wore.....Now that man had fashion sense PolPot........he was just a very bad man...........He had these fields..............I think they were called the Killing Fields..........Nice people those reds.......

 

[Weevil]

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Im pretty sure they were fascists

I'm pretty sure they were all democratically elected.

 

[bored1]

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Has this thread not been done before bored1?
It will all boil down to what you mean by communist and what you mean by dictator. And time and place and ecomomic conditions etc.

I dont know if it has been done.....I was just thinking about great communist leaders..............I quess they could all be considered Communist Dictators.......Not sure what time or place has to do with killing 30/40 million of your own people

 

[kotori]

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Has this thread not been done before?

I think the final assessment of Stalin was in by about 1960, Mao after the Gang of Four was vanquished (say 1980 or so?). A burning question.

 

[Weevil]

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I dont know if it has been done.....I was just thinking about great communist leaders

Trying to be funny? Equating greatness with killing millions of people?

The truth is that these guys aren't a legitmate example of communism the way Hitler isn't an example of democracy.

 

[Mensa]

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I'm pretty sure they were all democratically elected.

Try again! The only one of that whole bunch who had to face a real election was Adolf Hitler. He squeaked in and immediately cancelled democracy so he wouldn't ever have to listen to the voice of the people again.

Learn the difference between Communists and Fascists. They were like two peas in a pod in their methodology but hated each other with a passion. Same thing goes for the different varieties of Socialists. Technically, there were no Communists because Communism could only come about with the perfection of Socialism. Since Socialism proved to be fundamentally flawed, it could never be perfected, hence no Communism. This, however, did not deter anyone from claiming to practice Communism.

 

[bored1]

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Try again! The only one of that whole bunch who had to face a real election was Adolf Hitler. He squeaked in and immediately cancelled democracy so he wouldn't ever have to listen to the voice of the people again.

Learn the difference between Communists and Fascists. They were like two peas in a pod in their methodology but hated each other with a passion. Same thing goes for the different varieties of Socialists. Technically, there were no Communists because Communism could only come about with the perfection of Socialism. Since Socialism proved to be fundamentally flawed, it could never be perfected, hence no Communism. This, however, did not deter anyone from claiming to practice Communism.

Or murdering 30/40 million of their own people

 

[Weevil]

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Try again! The only one of that whole bunch who had to face a real election was Adolf Hitler. He squeaked in and immediately cancelled democracy so he wouldn't ever have to listen to the voice of the people again.

Depends on what you mean. Mussolini was elected to government which gave his fascist movement legitimacy and authority.

Milosevic was elected President of Serbia in 1989.

 

[Weevil]

But yes, I know what you mean.

What I meant though is that those three all rose to power by taking advantage of the flaws inherent in democracy and are parallels to Stalin, Mao and Pot abusing the communist ideal.

 

[Mensa]

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Depends on what you mean. Mussolini was elected to government which gave his fascist movement legitimacy and authority.

Milosevic was elected President of Serbia in 1989.

Fascist Italy never held a legitimate election during it's entire existence, same goes for any so-called Communist regime. If there is only one name on the ballot, it doesn't qualify. If you intimidate, terrorize and kill your opponents, it doesn't qualify. Why do you think we are so pissed off at that farce that just occurred in Zimbabwe?

I don't include Milosevic in that bunch, he was neither fish nor fowl, just a murderous little upstart. He will meet his fate soon enough.

 

[Weevil]

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Fascist Italy never held a legitimate election during it's entire existence, same goes for any so-called Communist regime. If there is only one name on the ballot, it doesn't qualify. If you intimidate, terrorize and kill your opponents, it doesn't qualify. Why do you think we are so pissed off at that farce that just occurred in Zimbabwe?

No, but he was elected to parliament in 1919.

 

[Azwed]

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No, but he was elected to parliament in 1919.

bah you are stretching now that does not count.

 

[Mensa]

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No, but he was elected to parliament in 1919.

Then marched on Rome and overthrew it. Actually, his followers did. True to form, Mussolini hid out in the north til victory was secured, then crawled out from under his rock to claim it.

No democracy anywhere near him.

 

[Weevil]

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Then marched on Rome and overthrew it. Actually, his followers did. True to form, Mussolini hid out in the north til victory was secured, then crawled out from under his rock to claim it.

No democracy anywhere near him.

All right, I'm reaching with mussolini.

All I wanted to point out is that within a democratic system and the flaws within a monster can come to power pretty easily.

 

[Mellon Collie]

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The truth is that these guys aren't a legitmate example of communism the way Hitler isn't an example of democracy.

Actually under some definitions communism is a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production which these guys can loosely exemplify. People commonly (especially me being a Social Anarchist) see communism as a society where the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equally but this is in fact not the only form there is.

 

[Weevil]

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Actually under some definitions communism is a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production which these guys can loosely exemplify.

Sure but that's off point for the most part. Killing dissenters or not allowing the people any input into their society is not part of communist philosphy. That's what we're talking about.

 

[Mellon Collie]

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Sure but that's off point for the most part. Killing dissenters or not allowing the people any input into their society is not part of communist philosphy. That's what we're talking about.

Communist philosophy is just that - philosophy and if the totalitarian government [in the definition I gave] thinks that it initials the killing of dissenters and not allowing input then it looks like the philosophy of communism just got a little bit broader.

 

[bored1]

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Sure but that's off point for the most part. Killing dissenters or not allowing the people any input into their society is not part of communist philosphy. That's what we're talking about.

So what kind of Communism was Stalin,Mao and PolPot practicing?

 

[Weevil]

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So what kind of Communism was Stalin,Mao and PolPot practicing?

The same kind of democracy Hitler was.

Incorrect and criminal.

 

[Mensa]

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(especially me being a Social Anarchist)

Organized chaos. Just exactly how does that work? I'm truly curious.

 

[Mellon Collie]

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Organized chaos. Just exactly how does that work? I'm truly curious.

Anarchist Theory

This site holds a lot of information on Anarchist thought, it's set up as FAQ but it explains common and popular anarchist ideas from Left (what I believe) to Capitalistic Anarchy. But as the site says, if you were to ask ten Anarchists what they hold to be true Anarchy, you would receive ten totally different answers.

 

[Mensa]

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Anarchist Theory

This site holds a lot of information on Anarchist thought, it's set up as FAQ but it explains common and popular anarchist ideas from Left (what I believe) to Capitalistic Anarchy. But as the site says, if you were to ask ten Anarchists what they hold to be true Anarchy, you would receive ten totally different answers.

Yet, they propose this as a way to cure society's ills. They can't even agree with each other.