George your first non elected President in history...

[metal_minx]

Before 9/11/01 GWB had no more than 2 cabinet meetings that dealt with the prospects of terrorism. He is either the most incompetent president concerning domestic defense since Thomas Jefferson or he was hoping an attack would occur. You know, to do exactly what he's done since 9/11.

Because playing war is so much more fun than doing his economics homework.

 

[teddybear4play]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So really it's the same as before...

There's the point, TB4P, the U$ govt likes to stick their nose into everyone's buisness...and if we don't care for what someone is doing they respond, usually violently or with disregard to how it affects the ordinary people of that country (ie Iraqi sanctions)
I'm American, and I just hope all you foreigners can pressure our government to drop the John Wayne syndrome.

The sanctions on Iraq are from the U.N. They're as mulitilateral as they come.

If foreigners think that the U.S. is meddling too much in their country's affairs, the logical first complaint would be to their own government to shut us out rather than demand we change. Makes sense to me. I will admit, p_p has made a few threads criticizing Tony Blair's relationship with George W. Bush, but when he makes five threads a day about what a royal arsehole Bush is, it tends to get lost somewhere in translation.

If you don't want the U.S. to be involved, stop asking us to get involved. In the former Yugoslavia and the Middle East, the U.S. was excoriated for not being there when people were dying.

TB4p

 

[metal_minx]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So really it's the same as before...

Tell me which government doesn't stick it's noses into everyone's business? All governments interact on the geo-political level. Our government has acted in its best interests, but more importantly has been asked in a lot of instances to protect helpless muslim enclaves and other humanitarian and military adventures driven by people in the world who are not good, who in fact want to stick their nose into OUR business. And then there was the SPECIAL invitation of 9-11 to come out and play...

Those foreigners like p_p_man, as an example, screamed bloody murder when Isreal unloaded on Arafat, "Where's Bush, Where's the US, See, we told you he was incapable of leading, a blunderer, a moron, an idiot..." When we did get involved, WE-E-E-E-E-L-L-L-L, we sure did it wrong, not the way the EU would have handled it, CERTAINLY not the way p_p_man would have handled it...

Someone needs to learn which side their bread is buttered on!

It's best interests? In other words the U$ involves itself mainly when there is a profit to be made, especially involving it's big buisnesses...there needs to be more prudency and better judgement before we unleash our war machine against the Muslim world, because most likely it will bite us in the ass. 9/11 was inevidable, because of American arrogance and shortsightedness. But thats getting off the topic...point is that not since the British Empire and Rome has one country had such a profound effect on so many people in the world, and often its negative.

 

[freshrope_69]

I'm going to throw out the same challenge I've done three times before on this Board

After that dribbling moron beame your Commander in Chief...

Have you gained any personal advantage from it?

ppman

I have had a lot of patience with these comments of G.W. Bush...being our first non-elected president....

We have a system that may not be perfect, but the system was in place for both parties...

For those inside and outside this country who continues to cry over this issue...I say...it is still the best system in the world...

Sure beats paying a Queen and her family millions each year and just have her wave in passing....

I want to respect our cousins up north, over there in England and down over ....but with out the U.S....these same places would had fallen during WWII....so remeber this...

The system was there for both and poor AL Gore lost...he could have his chance again....

But again he is still sore over the fact that he didn't get the credit he thought he deserved for discovery the internet....

from your friendly neighborhood clitlicker....

 

[metal_minx]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So really it's the same as before...

The sanctions on Iraq are from the U.N. They're as mulitilateral as they come.

If foreigners think that the U.S. is meddling too much in their country's affairs, the logical first complaint would be to their own government to shut us out rather than demand we change. Makes sense to me. I will admit, p_p has made a few threads criticizing Tony Blair's relationship with George W. Bush, but when he makes five threads a day about what a royal arsehole Bush is, it tends to get lost somewhere in translation.

If you don't want the U.S. to be involved, stop asking us to get involved. In the former Yugoslavia and the Middle East, the U.S. was excoriated for not being there when people were dying.

TB4p

Bush is an asshole. I don't care if he is our president, he's a moron and isn't fit for office. And the UN has become mostly a powerless institution when faced with American demands.
I know that what the U$ does in international affairs isn't always "bad" but, at least to me, it seems the gov't always has an ulterior motive when it goes in somewhere. I also believe that the US gets too much credit for its humanitarian role when it is last among the industrialized nations in foreign welfare aid...unless you count all the weapons we sell to third world nations at discount prices.

 

[busybody..]

Metal Minx

I will assume you are making silly and imature comments because of what you state in your sig line, namely:

__________________
i'm in love so don't blame me for my occasional burst of silliness and stupidity!

 

[metal_minx]

Re: Metal Minx

I will assume you are making silly and imature comments because of what you state in your sig line, namely:

__________________
i'm in love so don't blame me for my occasional burst of silliness and stupidity!

Hmm, you're SO original, misquoting me in an attempt at an insult because you can't defend yourself in any facts.

 

[metal_minx]

By the way busybody, I really hope you're being facetious with all that crap in your sigline. Because if you do believe that then you must have your head up your ass and are blind to basic facts.

 

[miles]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So really it's the same as before...

And Mules . . . just to keep your blood pressure on overheated . . . I don't think that I'll bother to answer your question this evening. Have a nice day.

LMAO!

Donkey, I gotta love ya. Just another example of someone shooting their mouth off with absolutely no facts to back up what they say.

You guys consistently prove yourselves wrong just by flapping your lips. It's amazing how stupid you make yourself look.

 

[70/30]

Luckily Kissinger's on the case, he'll bring us all the facts. I'm curious if it was extreme incompetence by GWB or if he ignored the obvious threat as a tactical move.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So really it's the same as before...

Those foreigners like p_p_man, as an example, screamed bloody murder when Isreal unloaded on Arafat, "Where's Bush, Where's the US, See, we told you he was incapable of leading, a blunderer, a moron, an idiot..." When we did get involved, WE-E-E-E-E-L-L-L-L, we sure did it wrong, not the way the EU would have handled it, CERTAINLY not the way p_p_man would have handled it...

We certainly didn't want him to wait 10 days to give Sharon even more time to continue his murderous incursion. And when Bush finally plucked up what pathetic little courage he had and decided to send Powell on a peace mission we certainly didn't want the man to take a world tour before arriving in Israel and when Bush finally said 'Naughty, naughty this must stop' to Sharon we didn't expect him to turn tail and run like the real coward he is when Sharon said 'Fuck off, we'll do what we like!'...

I've said it before and I'll say it again...and again...and again...Bush is a cretin.

ppman

 

[teddybear4play]

Luckily Kissinger's on the case, he'll bring us all the facts. I'm curious if it was extreme incompetence by GWB or if he ignored the obvious threat as a tactical move.

False dichotomy.

We certainly didn't want him to wait 10 days to give Sharon even more time to continue his murderous incursion. And when Bush finally plucked up what pathetic little courage he had and decided to send Powell on a peace mission we certainly didn't want the man to take a world tour before arriving in Israel and when Bush finally said 'Naughty, naughty this must stop' to Sharon we didn't expect him to turn tail and run like the real coward he is when Sharon said 'Fuck off, we'll do what we like!'...

I've said it before and I'll say it again...and again...and again...Bush is a cretin.

Oh, well, at least you have a sound, undisputable reason.

TB4p

 

[Don K Dyck]

Well Done!!

By the way busybody, I really hope you're being facetious with all that crap in your sigline. Because if you do believe that then you must have your head up your ass and are blind to basic facts.

heheheh . . . well done, Minx . . . the Canuks strike again!!! Now what could happen if Minx and Crysede got going on thid lot together . . . the mind boggles!!

 

[Don K Dyck]

Good point!!

Before 9/11/01 GWB had no more than 2 cabinet meetings that dealt with the prospects of terrorism. He is either the most incompetent president concerning domestic defense since Thomas Jefferson or he was hoping an attack would occur. You know, to do exactly what he's done since 9/11.

Good point 70/30 . . . the evidence certainly looks that way at present . . . do you know that there were four UNARMED USAF fighters on stand-by on 9/11 and it would have taken about 90 minutes to arm them . . . sounds like the Pearl Harbour fiasco, or the attack on Souel (?) or the Tet Offensive . . . incompetence or conspiracy, I'll let you be the judge . . .

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So really it's the same as before...

The sanctions on Iraq are from the U.N. They're as mulitilateral as they come.

If foreigners think that the U.S. is meddling too much in their country's affairs, the logical first complaint would be to their own government to shut us out rather than demand we change. Makes sense to me. I will admit, p_p has made a few threads criticizing Tony Blair's relationship with George W. Bush, but when he makes five threads a day about what a royal arsehole Bush is, it tends to get lost somewhere in translation.

If you don't want the U.S. to be involved, stop asking us to get involved. In the former Yugoslavia and the Middle East, the U.S. was excoriated for not being there when people were dying. TB4p

Dear, dear, TB4p . . . you don't invite the CIA in for anything . . . they enter of their own free will and create havoc for the benefit of US multinational corporations . . .

Maybe you didn't notice that the is a great big oil pipeline terminal or interchange in former Yugoslavia . . . and that the US is now dependent on MIddle Eastern oil . . . that's why Dubyah Shrub is trying to start the US-Iraq War for Control of Undeveloped Oil Reserves . . .

 

[teddybear4play]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So really it's the same as before...

Maybe you didn't notice that the is a great big oil pipeline terminal or interchange in former Yugoslavia . . . and that the US is now dependent on MIddle Eastern oil . . . that's why Dubyah Shrub is trying to start the US-Iraq War for Control of Undeveloped Oil Reserves . . .

Well, if we have pipelines in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan, and if Saudi Arabia's being so ridiculously uncooperative, why are we after Iraq again?

Might it possibly be that the Bush Admnistration does see them as a threat to our nation's security? Maybe?

TB4p

 

[Don K Dyck]

It must be donut holes!!!

Well, if we have pipelines in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan, and if Saudi Arabia's being so ridiculously uncooperative, why are we after Iraq again?

Might it possibly be that the Bush Admnistration does see them as a threat to our nation's security? Maybe? TB4p

Well, TB4p, let me think . . .

it coiuldn't be that the U$ is concerned about the anthrax or botulism stocks they sent to Iraq . . . or the other military advisers and ordnance, including delivery systems . . . the military couldn't be THAT dumb . . . or COULD they? . . . in 1991 they did leave behind the helicopters that Saddam HUssein then used in his genocide attempts with the Kurds and Marsh Arabs . . . but they were only dirty foreigners scratching out a meagre living in a desert and dried up swamp respectively, and if Saddam HUssein chose to use them for target practice then, that was an internal matter . . . no market potential for U$ manufactured goods there . . . too poor . . .

the presence of 20% of the world's undeveloped oil reserves under Iraq is probably not going to be important to a Texas family involved in oil now that Texas has been pumped dry and the American people have paid twice for the privilege . . .

I doubt that U$ security is threatened by a country who currently has troubles throwing rocks at Israel . . .

Nope, you've got me TB4p . . . the only thing I can think of which might cause Dubyah such a huge worry is . . . the price of donut holes in downtown Baghdad!! . . . they have inflated enormously . . . so much so, that the American importers of donut holes have complained to the White House and are seeking assistance under the very generous US Farm Act to give tariff protection to the local American donut hole cottage industry . . .

 

[metal_minx]

Re: Well Done!!

heheheh . . . well done, Minx . . . the Canuks strike again!!! Now what could happen if Minx and Crysede got going on thid lot together . . . the mind boggles!!

Thanks Don K, but I'm an American, I guess you couldn't tell because I didn't have the stars and stripes flying from my ass.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Well Done!!

Thanks Don K, but I'm an American, I guess you couldn't tell because I didn't have the stars and stripes flying from my ass.

And he hasn't read your post about being one...



ppman

 

[metal_minx]

Re: Re: Re: Well Done!!

And he hasn't read your post about being one...



ppman

And I just told him. Not that being Canadian would be bad...I happen to like having hot sex with one in particular.

 

[SINthysist]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So really it's the same as before...

It's best interests? In other words the U$ involves itself mainly when there is a profit to be made, especially involving it's big buisnesses...there needs to be more prudency and better judgement before we unleash our war machine against the Muslim world, because most likely it will bite us in the ass. 9/11 was inevidable, because of American arrogance and shortsightedness. But thats getting off the topic...point is that not since the British Empire and Rome has one country had such a profound effect on so many people in the world, and often its negative.

The US is a mercantile nation whose business is the buying and selling of goods, many of them grown domestically. Your comparisons to Rome, even Britain, are wrong because outside of our period of expansion on our continent one would be more apt to point out that our culture more closely parallels the Venitian model...

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So really it's the same as before...

It's best interests? In other words the U$ involves itself mainly when there is a profit to be made, especially involving it's big buisnesses...there needs to be more prudency and better judgement before we unleash our war machine against the Muslim world, because most likely it will bite us in the ass. 9/11 was inevidable, because of American arrogance and shortsightedness. But thats getting off the topic...point is that not since the British Empire and Rome has one country had such a profound effect on so many people in the world, and often its negative.

Hi Minx . . . I don't think that either Rome or Britain had the same amount of dominant, unchallenged power that the Dubyah Shrub Administration currently exercises. In the two former cases there was competition from the Cartheginians and the Dutch respectively. The US has no competitors since the USSR collapsed under its own weight of bureaucracy.

The question is, how long will the US stay at the top. Many commentators are predicting a short stay because of the poor economic indicators. Throughout this 21st century, we will see the inevidable rise of China and India simply because they have about 2.3 billion people between them . . . now that is two ginormous markets.

 

[SINthysist]

Two huge countries that have never been able to efficiently distribute scarce resources over difficult terrain and huge distances with no real natural enemies because of some impressive physical defenses...

You think that's gonna happen now?

Not without US investment.

And if we invest, and it works, who gets richer?

Who has the cropland that will be needed?

When we solve the oil problem, which we will shortly, probably hydrogen fuel cells, the FOOD becomes the next great world bargaining chip...

Putting the US and Canada (and South America) in the driver's seat again...

Update your geo-political thinking please!

 

[teddybear4play]

Re: It must be donut holes!!!

the presence of 20% of the world's undeveloped oil reserves under Iraq is probably not going to be important to a Texas family involved in oil now that Texas has been pumped dry and the American people have paid twice for the privilege . . .

Why take over an undeveloped oil reserve when you can take over fully developed oil reserves? Cheaper.

TB4p

 

[miles]

Hey Donkey Dick

Remember this?
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And yet within all this self-aggrandisement, America has produced jazz, the stage musical and . . . oh yes, the US Constitution that was overridden by the Supreme Court in the 2000 elections . . .

Good one, SIN
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And I said:



Don, you're full of shit.

Explain to me how the Constitution was overridden by the Supreme Court. Specific facts, not high school rhetoric.

I'm asking Don, and no one else to qualify his dumb statement.

Fredwave, peepee boy, and 70W30 - no one is asking you. Don stepped in the dog shit and doesn't need your help cleaning it off.

Can't wait for this response.
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Of course, Don never responded, because as usual his posts have no basis in fact. He just makes things up as he goes along.


Hee-haw.