Deportation without chance to plead case in court

[rjohns86us]

I should have added the word "illegal" to that statement I suppose....and it wasn't meant to make the one word sound derogatory....and my apologies if it did...and let me say again, I have no problem with people of any country coming here ...following the proper procedures, of course...insted of paying some smuggler to sneak them in..

Somehow you make the term "foreigner" sound derogatory. How is this, I wonder?

 

[Don K Dyck]

Ok, just so you know...the border patrol doesn't just pick up people and toss them back over the border. They do in fact run their identification, their prints and whatever means necessary to figure out who they are....and THEN they toss their ass over the border.

. . . and if you check any reputable porn board you will find a little of that good ole U$ entrepreneurship . . . a couple of border patrol guards have got a nice little earner going.

First, catch an illegal immigrant lady, preferably young and good looking.

Second, promise them admission to the U$ if they make a completely uninhibited porn video with one or more of the patrol members.

Third, release the porn video on their own web-site and sell the pics.

Fourth, send the illegal immigrant lady back into Mexico.

. . . and you wonder why Americans are held in such low regard? sheesh!!

 

[Don K Dyck]

Let me clarify a point that seems to be getting overlooked...they have the opportunity to apply for work visas, they just don't do it. They would rather come over here illegally. The ranchers themselves could sponsor their work visa, but of course, that would mean alot of money out of his pocket, but it is an option.

It seems that X sees it as it not being one, but in reality, the opportunity is there...these people just choose an easier means.

Thanks love. Gotta run now.

Obviously Bent you haven't applied for a green card to enter the US legally . . . and continued starving while you wait for the lottery to be drawn . . .

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The American economy runs on the cheap labour provided by illegal immigrants. This applies especially to agriculture row cropping industries.

The pay rates have not changed in 20 years yet the cost of living has gone through the roof.

And what can the workers do about that? Absolutely nothing because if they complain then they are sacked. If they organise the workers into unions, not something that the US has had much experience with, then they are dobbed into the officials and deported.

Some of them are even murdered with impunity. Then there is the domestic slave trade throughout affluent parts of the US where compliant Central and South American women are housekeepers, and sadly, often required to provide other sexual services to keep their positions.

And how about the international trade in prostitution, especially from Central and South America, where women are tricked into moving overseas, have their passports confiscated by their "bosses" and are often beaten and gang raped into submitting to a life of prostitution.

It is OK when wealthy Americans fantasize about, or even take part in, consensual gang bangs. As any victim will tell you, it is never fun being traumatised in real life.

The main beneficiaries of the present border polices are BIG BUSINESS, especially US agriculture, corporations and family farmers.

 

[Adrenaline]

I can't believe that a poster would say an illegal immigrant should be given no rights whatsoever simply because there an illegal immigrant and others cheer in support.

Man some of you people are scary.

 

[Bent]

I can't believe that a poster would say an illegal immigrant should be given no rights whatsoever simply because there an illegal immigrant and others cheer in support.

Man some of you people are scary.

They have no rights, as we have no rights in their country. I had no rights in the countries I lived in overseas until I became legal in that country. Scary or not, that's life.

 

[Adrenaline]

They have no rights, as we have no rights in their country. I had no rights in the countries I lived in overseas until I became legal in that country. Scary or not, that's life.

Maybe on a different planet, but not on earth. Are you sure that you work at the INS? I'm pretty sure that's not what I learned in school but maybe things have changed since this summer?

Please google "rights of illegal immigrants" and get back to me. Edit: Clearly they don't have as many rights as the citizen of the country in question but seeing as their human beings and all, people before our time decided to give them a little somethin' somethin'.

 

[Bent]

Maybe on a different planet, but not on earth. Are you sure that you work at the INS? I'm pretty sure that's not what I learned in school but maybe things have changed since this summer?

Please google "rights of illegal immigrants" and get back to me.

Do illegal immigrants have any of the rights afforded to the people of the United States? No. They have rights as humans, period...legally speaking, they have none.

And I WORKED for the INS.

 

[Adrenaline]

Do illegal immigrants have any of the rights afforded to the people of the United States? No. They have rights as humans, period...legally speaking, they have none.

And I WORKED for the INS.

Oh, okay, sorry about the mistake on your occupation. However you didn't say that in the post I originally referred to. You said they had no rights, without any qualifications so I guess you should be a bit clearer on that point in the future.

Please note I'm not a supporter of illegal immigration.

Actually, no I'm confused again. Sorry. If they have no "legal" rights as you put it only "human rights" are not the latter processed through the legal system? Maybe you could explain the difference?

 

[Don K Dyck]

They have no rights, as we have no rights in their country. I had no rights in the countries I lived in overseas until I became legal in that country. Scary or not, that's life.

That's bull manure!! In all civilised countries having a Western liberal tradition (and America under the Patriot and Home Defence Acts probably does not qualify) foreigners have exactly the same rights and responsibilities at law as born citizens, naturalised, permit holders and yes, even illegals have rights.

THAT is why the Oz Prim Monster "Honest" Johnnie Howard made all the Australian territory through Torres Strait and the north and northwest coast alien territory rather than Australia. Illegal immigrants were being sent to Oz by criminal gangs for enormous cash profits.

The purpose of arresting illegal immigrants OUTSIDE the territorial boundaries is that while they are OUTSIDE those boundaries, they have no legal rights. They can be shipped off at the governments discretion to other Pacific Islands who are paid enormous amounts to have the illegal immigrants sitting around doing nothing.

Once inside those national boundaries however, by as little as a few metres or less, they have the protection of the Australian legal system, including the right of appeal to the High Court of Australia, the equivalent to the US Supreme Court.

 

[Bent]

Please note I'm not a supporter of illegal immigration.

Obviously, neither am I No one here wishes these people harm, however they know the consequences, and yet they still choose to do what they do, and if they get hurt in the process, you can't blame our country for that.

I don't get how someone can say they are dirt assed poor in Mexico, yet can somehow come up with 'thousands' of US dollars to be smuggled over in droves. It just doesn't calculate.

 

[Adrenaline]

Bumping so that Bent will note my edited post as to how human rights are processed since they're not legal in any fashion. I mean even prisoners have "legal rights".

 

[Bent]

Bumping so that Bent will note my edited post as to how human rights are processed since they're not legal in any fashion. I mean even prisoners have "legal rights".

You do understand my meaning, and I understand yours.

 

[Adrenaline]

Obviously, neither am I No one here wishes these people harm, however they know the consequences, and yet they still choose to do what they do, and if they get hurt in the process, you can't blame our country for that.

I don't get how someone can say they are dirt assed poor in Mexico, yet can somehow come up with 'thousands' of US dollars to be smuggled over in droves. It just doesn't calculate.

Actually I can, depending on the sort of harm they experience.

Besides that all those big employers happily reaping the profits from those illegal workers are in no hurry to get them their temporary visas and the present US government seems in no big hurry to deal with that.

 

[Bent]

Actually I can, depending on the sort of harm they experience.

Besides that all those big employers happily reaping the profits from those illegal workers are in no hurry to get them their temporary visas and the present US government seems in no big hurry to deal with that.

That's what we are arguing here...that the government is trying to deal with the situation, but not to X's liking.

 

[Adrenaline]

You do understand my meaning, and I understand yours.

No, I don't. Seriously! Wouldn't human rights, just be a sub-category of legal? I mean if it can't be enforced by the law in some way...what's the point?

 

[Adrenaline]

That's what we are arguing here...that the government is trying to deal with the situation, but not to X's liking.

Well your government doesn't seem too concerned about the illegal mexican immigrants, so I suppose the cheap labour source is safe.

Edited to add a smiley to soften the bite of my comment.

 

[Gil_Favor]

The United States has an obligation to its citizens to control the borders.

To believe otherwise is madness.

 

[Adrenaline]

The United States has an obligation to its citizens to control the borders.

To believe otherwise is madness.

Only if they're not Mexican or Canadian, didn't ya see that in the article? Those guys will get their day in court and stuff detention centres and what not but the rest get shafted.

Am I glad I was born in the right country!

 

[Cheyenne]

Hahahaha! Then I guess it wouldn't surprise you that I happen to be friends with Redwave. Oh well. C'est la vie.

Nope, it wouldn't.

 

[Bent]

No, I don't. Seriously! Wouldn't human rights, just be a sub-category of legal? I mean if it can't be enforced by the law in some way...what's the point?

I think you are talking about two different things here...was there proof of any abuse of power? We are talking about a law that X disagrees with, that I agree with, and everyone else pretty much stated their stance on this matter.

No one, other than the people smuggling the illegals over are abusing them...if they are...where is the proof?

 

[Bent]

Well your government doesn't seem too concerned about the illegal mexican immigrants, so I suppose the cheap labour source is safe.

Edited to add a smiley to soften the bite of my comment.

There was no bite there, because the government IS clamping down on illegal immigrants that's why X is upset here.

 

[SensualMale]

...

I wish I could remember how to make llinks to individual posts. It would be easier than asking someone to wade through an entire thread.

You can post the respective page directly, and they can wade thro' less stuff. For instance, here's page 3 of the Farmworkers thread:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=264209&perpage=25&pagenumber=3

In the URL above, see "pagenumber=3" at the end? Stick in the appropriate page number instead of "3". If it has only one page then, cut and paste the link like you normally do now.

I'm not sure how to make a link to an individual post yet. There IS a way and I'll let you know if I find out.

 

[SensualMale]

Did you not read this paragraph? :

Mr. Hutchinson said that border agents would be trained in asylum law and that immigrants who showed a credible fear of persecution would be provided hearings before immigration judges, not returned to hostile governments. "That right," he said of the right to apply for asylum, "is very important."

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That's only on paper. There're a lot of shitheads in the INS that don't give a fuck. Keep an eye on the news on TX or look up some news archives (search for INS fuckups) and you'll know.

 

[SensualMale]

I've seen the customs folks be pretty tough at times here at the US/ Canadian border and to their own country's people.

I also know that not ALL customs agents are not created equal but God forbid I come up on one that is less knowlegable on asylum law if that's what I seek.

Judge & jury all in one booth- scary thought indeed.

There's a difference between being tough and being a shithead to the core Tough is good.

 

[SensualMale]

I think if they did that, then I would stick out like a turd in a punch bowl!

That would undoubtedly raise a stink when I made my way to a US embassy.

And then there's also the problem of getting to a US embassy/consulate in one piece,whereever they deport you!