Democratic Primary Fucktussle!

[SEVERUSMAX]

Dump is generally wrong in his analysis here, in fact, he's nearly always wrong, just as BB is, but I must admit that Kamala Harris strikes me as a bit fascist herself. So he may well have a point about her.

Her aside (and possibly Beto, given the 4th and 6th Amendment issues with his mandatory buybacks), progressives and even neoliberals aren't authoritarians. For those, you need to look at Trump and the Right.

If Trump or Pence win in 2020, it's probably our last free election. Just sayin'. America, and arguably civilization itself, will never recover. The last few years before environmental apocalypse will be spent in a fascist dystopian police state. Any leftists in America will probably be rotting in an Alaskan gulag, myself included, much to the glee of Botany Boy and Dump and his ilk.

 

[JackLuis]

OK. 78 is too old to be running for president. Everyone knows that (so do you) except for maybe Bernie. You may want to pretend that this health reminder is lost on voters, but then you're a rabid Bernie fan. Let's see how he compares with Warren in the next polls for the progressive Democratic vote. As I noted, there's no surprise in how you reacted to this.

He's already behind Liz in the polls. Haven't you been paying attention?

Tulsi has earned the DNC's favour to attend the next debate and we shall see if the exposure gives her a boost.

Kamala has been losing strength which is good. She's the next AG if Dems win, and Donnie's nightmare!

OHJ is old and shop worn. However he's still ahead at this point. He's the DNC's last hope as well. Joe stays bought by the establishment.

I don't know why you always sound like someone pissed in your cornflakes, Pilot. Lighten up a bit and have a drink.

 

[KeithD]

He's already behind Liz in the polls. Haven't you been paying attention?

Which isn't like I think you'll see him nosedive in the polls now. I'm not sure why you are avoiding the point--other than this slavish Bernie thing you have.

 

[JackLuis]

Which isn't like I think you'll see him nosedive in the polls now. I'm not sure why you are avoiding the point--other than this slavish Bernie thing you have.

I like Bernie, he may be old but he's not Hillary!!!!!!!

 

[BotanyBoy]

I like Bernie, he may be old but he's not Hillary!!!!!!!

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l41YdHuqqelb9NJe0/giphy.gif

 

[KeithD]

I like Bernie, he may be old but he's not Hillary!!!!!!!

And Hillary, who knows the limits of what to promise and got more done in the Senate for the brief time she was there than Bernie has ever done, would have made a steady and productive president. And, no, I don't worship her the way you worship the do-nothing-but-talk-big Bernie.

And not only that, but in seeking the Democratic nomination, Hillary was actually a Democrat.

 

[JackLuis]

And Hillary, who knows the limits of what to promise and got more done in the Senate for the brief time she was there than Bernie has ever done, would have made a steady and productive president. And, no, I don't worship her the way you worship the do-nothing-but-talk-big Bernie.

And not only that, but in seeking the Democratic nomination, Hillary was actually a Democrat.

I don't think Bernie ever started a war, so good job Bernie.

 

[KeithD]

I don't think Bernie ever started a war, so good job Bernie.

Don't be stupid, Jack. Bernie has never been in a position/job to start a war. Let me repeat, don't be stupid, Jack. You're too smart to think your statement has any legs.

What you're pointing to is how little responsibility for anything significant Bernie has taken in his political life. He points to his chairmanship of Veterans oversight--for a time when Veterans affairs were criminally inadequate without anyone in Congress addressing the problem.

 

[BotanyBoy]

KeithD is still salty HRC was rejected for the pussy grabber.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Being independent is actually one of the pluses in Bernie's column if you ask me. An independent has more appeal to independent voters and third-party voters, who are half the electorate when combined or damn near close it. And many independents aren't centrists, just progressive who don't like either party (can you blame them, given how tribal and corrupt the DNC is).

Much of the country is eager to fire the two major parties. They just haven't seen a third party candidate get much exposure in the press. Give them more press and ranked choice voting, and you could see a lot more Greens in public office. Even as a Democrat, I find that a healthy increase in competition that will motivate the Democratic Party to up its game. Long term, I'd like to see the Democratic Party embrace leftist populism rather than wither on the corporatist vine.

 

[KeithD]

Our system runs on a party structure. You don't get work done as the executive or in the Congress without being in a majority party or close enough to pull in majority votes. An independent can't do that. Bernie is proof of this--how many years in the Senate with just being on the sidelines of any action because he couldn't build a supporting network? There are advantages in being an independent, yes--they don't include being able to pass a legislative program, though. And Bernie's legislative history points to this massive disadvantage. And Bernie's program of "give everything and everything else as well," although certainly nice eye candy for progressives, just does not fly with the American electorate. You can't have it all in one big gulp.

 

[JackLuis]

It is difficult to be an independant, when the Parties won't listen to your good ideas, because they do not support the Military-Industrail-News-Financial complex's drive for overall control of the society.

No it is much better to have the "Complex" rape the people for their own good.

 

[KeithD]

It is difficult to be an independant, when the Parties won't listen to your good ideas, because they do not support the Military-Industrail-News-Financial complex's drive for overall control of the society.

No it is much better to have the "Complex" rape the people for their own good.

No. It's almost entirely an ability to use and move the reality of a party system of getting work done in the government.

 

[JackLuis]

Elizabeth Warren's campaign says it raised $24.6 million in Q3

If Dollars were votes?

Elizabeth Warren's campaign said on Friday that it raised $24.6 million in the third quarter of 2019, putting her just behind Bernie Sanders for this quarter's fundraising among 2020 Democrats.

Why it matters: Warren swore off "big money fundraisers" at the start of this cycle, but she's managed to rake in a massive amount of money from grassroots, small-dollar donors.

Sanders raised $25.3 million from 1.4 million donations — the most of any Democratic presidential candidate in Q3.

Where other Democratic candidates stand:

Mayor Pete Buttigieg: $19.1 million
Former Vice President Joe Biden: $15.2 million
Sen. Kamala Harris: $11.6 million
Former tech executive Andrew Yang: $10 million
Sen. Cory Booker: $6 million
Author Marianne Williamson: $3 million

 

[JackLuis]

Elizabeth Warren Gets Her Norma Rae On. You Know, For A Change

It is a truth universally acknowledged that a blogger with a news hole to fill must be in want of a new Elizabeth Warren policy paper. And fortunately, they're a lot more welcome than most suitors in a Jane Austen novel. Like, take a gander at Warren's nigh-encyclopedic plan, released yesterday, to reform American labor law. Reading it, we were both impressed by the breadth of labor practices it addresses, and depressed by just how thoroughly big corporations and decades of right-leaning courts have eroded workers' rights since the relative glory days for organized labor, from the New Deal through Eisenhower.

It's a hell of a big plan, because there's a hell of a lot to fix. And it's not just a matter to be filed over in some boring slot labelled "labor policy," says Warren. Nope, it's nothing less than a matter of making America work the way it ought to, because earning your daily bread is right there at the base of what government is all about, although one party has insisted for 40 years that America is about shifting power to the already powerful.

She says:
"We cannot have a truly democratic society with so little power in the hands of working people. We cannot have sustained and inclusive economic growth without a stronger labor movement. That's why returning power to working people will be the overarching goal of my presidency."

Maybe the DNC will provide some help to Organized Labour? Well maybe not as it is in conflict with the Establishment.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

The right kind of independent, or at least maverick Democrat, could triangulate between the parties, working with Democrats on most issues and with members of both parties who oppose the Military Industrial Complex to reduce the war budget and secure peace. If such a President proposed something, the Republican response might not be to reject it out of hand for having the big red "D" stamped on it. Tribalism is a major problem in DC.

Granted, Mitch has got to go first, or nothing gets passed in the Senate but right-wing Neanderthal laws.

 

[KeithD]

Well, sure, Tinker Bell might float in to do that. It could happen.

 

[JackLuis]

DOnnie Has Spoked!

White House has ‘positively’ concluded Biden won’t be the DNC nominee — they’ve ‘moved on’

There ya' go, Donnie has moved on. I can't wait for him to start on Liz. She'll rip him a new asshole, even bigger that his old asshole!

Watch the viedo at the end, OHJ rips Donnie hard.

 

[Dumpington]

KeithD writes: "Don't be stupid, Jack. Bernie has never been in a position/job to start a war."

Bernie has reached the highest level that he's EVER going to reach, Keith - and that's as a U.S. Senator. I could say the same thing about Liz & Kamala. But NOT Beto. Beto could NEVER even be a U.S. Senator! Here's the latest numbers from the RealClearPolitics.com polling averages of Democrat presidential candidates:

26.2% - Joe Biden - (The highest job that "Gropin' Joe" will ever have had was vice president during the Obama years!)

24.0 - Elizabeth Warren - (How much longer before Senator Pocahontas passes Creepy-Sleepy Joe in the polls?)

16.8 - Bernie Sanders - (It's becoming painfully obvious that Bernie's health just isn't there anymore for this job!)

5.5 - Pete Buttigieg - (Mayor Pete has virtually no BLACK SUPPORT in his party!)

4.8 - Kamala Harris - (Kamala HAS black support, just not anough of it to matter anymore!)

3.5 - Andrew Yang - (This guy represents the "bizarre wing" of his party quite well!)

2.2 - Francis O'Rourke - ("Beto's" fifteen minutes of fame will be running out soon enough!)

Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com - the next round of debates should be the "last gasp" of these nobodies and their fading dreams of ever getting to live in the White House!

 

[Dumpington]

New polling numbers out today from the https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ (RealClearPolitics.com) national polling averages...

26.3% - Joe Biden - (Crooked Joe's Ukraine-scandal continues to bring down his candidacy!)

26.0 - Elizabeth Warren - (Senator Pocahontas Warren has all-bit-caught-up with Sleepy-Creepy Joe!)

14.3 - Bernie Sanders - (Old man Bernie's poor health may end up sinking his campaign once & for all!)

6.0 - Pete Buttigieg - (Mayor Pete isn't going anywhere!)

4.8 - Kamala Harris - (Kamala is ALSO not going anywhere!)

2.8 - Andrew Yang - (Yang is barely hanging in there.)

2.3 - Francis O'Rourke - (It's all over for "Beto," whether he knows it or not!)

There is NO WAY any of these above-mentioned Democrats will ever beat Trump! Maybe it's time they begged for Hillary to come back and lead them?

 

[JackLuis]

Democratic strategist on Harris slump: 'She's coming across as a typical politician'

That about sums it up.

 

[JackLuis]

Poll: Overwhelming majority of black voters back any 2020 Democrat over Trump

An overwhelming majority of black voters — 85 percent — said in a new Hill-HarrisX poll that they would choose any Democratic presidential candidate over President Trump.

The survey, which was released on Monday, found this sentiment to be particularly true among black voters along partisan lines.

Ninety-eight percent of black voters who identify as Democrat, and 72 percent of those who identify as independent said they would back whoever ultimately becomes the Democratic nominee over Trump. Just 12 percent of black voters who identify as Republican said the same.

 

[Dumpington]

JackLuis posts: "An overwhelming majority of black voters — 85 percent — said in a new Hill-HarrisX poll that they would choose any Democratic presidential candidate over President Trump."

No, I'll agree with you that the G.O.P. won't win the black vote in 2020, Jack - but the political landscape is changing.

In recent decades, black voters have gone overwhelmingly for Democratic Party presidential candidates (exceeding 90% in 2008 & 2012) - but that's no longer the case. Barack Obama's presidency was disappointing for a great many black Americans, and when Hillary Clinton ran promising to be an Obama third-term, most black voters weren't buying it. Her black-voter-support was surprisingly SHALLOW, most notably in cities like Philly, Detroit, & Milwaukee - resulting in Mrs. Clinton losing in previously reliable BLUE states Pennsylvania, Michigan, & Wisconsin!

And despite the ongoing Democratic Party mantra that Donald Trump is a racist/white-supremacist, black voters aren't buying it. The record-low unemployment numbers for minorities speak for themselves! Barack Obama was the "food stamps" president. Donald Trump is the "jobs president!" Also, Trump isn't afraid to shine a light on the rat-&-rodent-infested congressional districts where Democratic Party legislators have represented now for DECADES without any noticeable improvements!

While black voters MAY still support Joe Biden (if ONLY because he was Obama's V.P.), I seriously doubt they'll turn-out in large numbers for Liz Warren or Bernie Sanders! If Kamala Harris or Cory Booker were to somehow win the 2020 nomination, maybe - but neither of those two are likely to get it as they're both doing increasingly poorly. President Lyndon Johnson is quoted as saying back in the mid-1960's that his "Great Society" social programs (e.g. welfare) would "have those n*ggers voting Democrat for the next 200-years," he was about 150-years off. Black voter-support is already beginning to abandon the Democratic Party that has taken it for granted throughout that time! Liberals WANTED black Americans permenently dependent on federal-government largess, but today's younger black voters don't find that prospect attractive anymore.

 

[Dumpington]

This so-called Trump "Ukraine scandal" is KILLING Joe Biden's candidacy!

For the first time EVER, Liz is ahead of Corrupt-Joe in the RealClearPolitics.com polling averages!

26.6 - Elizabeth Warren - (Senator "Pocahontas" Warren takes the overall LEAD for the first time!)

26.4 - Joe Biden - (Creepy-Sleepy Joe continues his steady COLLAPSE in the national Democratic Party polls!)

14.6 - Bernie Sanders - ("Feel the Bern" is now "Feel the chest pains!")

5.6 - Pete Buttigieg - (Mayor Pete remains in distant 4th-place!)

4.4 - Kamala Harris - (The first Democrat to begin a steady collapse was Kamala!)

2.8 - Andrew Yang - (Yang hangs on in 6th-place...)

2.0 - Francis O'Rourke - ("Beto" hangs onto a distant 7th-place...)

Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com - "Gropin' Joe" has finally lost his hold on the #1-spot, all thanks to the scandal they're trying to pin on Trump!

 

[magicalmoments]

It is unusual. The chosen one, stable genius with great and unmatched wisdom breaks the law and Biden suffers.
Only in the worlds newest shithole, America!