Abortion- Unexpected results

[ll74]

The reality is it's the killing of a future human being, and some refuse to accept that.

There is no such thing. Ending a pregnancy means stopping the gestation.

It happens naturally more than it doesn't. A woman is not required to carry a pregnancy to term.

That is a belief.

A future human being is one where the pregnancy concludes in birth.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Somehow you seem to think that just saying those words means that the opposition's case just evaporated. It doesn't work like that.

Meanwhile I reiterate MY POSITION ON THIS ISSUE one more time:

If abortion is legal where you live and you want to kill your progeny, you can. IF, OTOH, you cannot do that, then your choices are limited to not getting what you want or moving to a state where abortion is legal.

So you stating that your opinion is somehow greater than mine, which is essentially the same, and thereby negates it merely because you "rest your case," is nonsensical and only goes to show that; A) you don't pay attention; B) you just post bullshit in order to post something controversial so you get a response/attention; C) you're about as stupid as stupid gets.

I noticed you lacked the intestinal fortitude to respond to my direct challenge to you in post #25, although you managed to pump out 11 responses to others since I made that challenge.

Some might call that "cowardice". Not me, however, I know what you are.

 

[RobDownSouth]

A convenient mischaracterization of what I said because I NEVER SAID that having a soul is part of the abortion issue.

Rather, YOU DID!

So, stuff your lying ass back under the rock you crawled out from underneath.

I NEVER said YOU did. Contrary to your own fragile self-image, it's not always about YOU. I had been talking to a group of Catholics yesterday when that came up. You OBVIOUSLY don't believe in the concept of human beings having souls, because you've been bellowing at least twice now about that. I GET THAT....you've staked out your position quite nicely.

I, on the other hand, happen to believe that human beings NEED to have souls as a requirement to be considered a human being. I asked Saint_Ann, who from his/her name I assumed was Catholic, if he/she agreed. True to form, he/she deflected. Then you sauntered in here and thought it was all about YOU, as USUAL.

My question remains, WHEN does a fertilized egg inside of a woman acquire a soul? I myself am not sure of the answer, but I can hazard a guess that it occurs around the time of fetal viability, e.g. 23-24 weeks gestation. YMMV.

Actually I don't even care when YOU "think" this occurs because your personal belief system seems to fluctuate quite often, depending on which party is in the White House. Your weak philosophical "spine" seems to run in tandem with your weak physical spine: the only difference is your physical spine is not yet in a wheelchair, while you philosophical "spine" is on life support.

 

[HisArpy]

<<Some believe that abortion scars the psyche of the mother. Certainly there is data to support that in some cases the mother needed some counseling afterward.>>

Some believe that birth can scar the psyche of the mother as well. Certainly there is data to support in some cases the mother needed some counseling afterward for postpartum depression.

Show me the data

 

[HisArpy]

Thanks, Captain Obvious. Everything I said was on point. But, nice try.



Very true. Regardless, I do think religion still plays a big part.

If you think so I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[RoryN]

If you think so I have a bridge to sell you.

That phrase hasn't been popular for five decades.

Be careful on that hip, rent-a-lawyer.

 

[HisArpy]

That phrase hasn't been popular for five decades.

Be careful on that hip, rent-a-lawyer.

Oh my my... more Ad Hom because you can't compete in the actual debate.

It must suck to be you, inarticulate, and unintelligent at the same time.

 

[RobDownSouth]

still waiting, HisArpy.

 

[RoryN]

Oh my my... more Ad Hom because you can't compete in the actual debate.

You've never "debated" on here - not once. You don't even know how to.

You do the same bullshit-argument tactics / sealioning Deplorables always do when their education has failed them. And you think it qualifies as debating because you're threatened and dumb.

You might as well be a badly-sourced algorithm.

 

[HisArpy]

You've never "debated" on here - not once. You don't even know how to.

You do the same bullshit-argument tactics / sealioning Deplorables always do when their education has failed them. And you think it qualifies as debating because you're threatened and dumb.

You might as well be a badly-sourced algorithm.

You poor lost sucker...

 

[HisArpy]

still waiting, HisArpy.

Most people know that the short bus don't run on Thursdays. Enjoy your stay on the bus stop bench.

 

[Saint_Ann]

There is no such thing. Ending a pregnancy means stopping the gestation.

It happens naturally more than it doesn't. A woman is not required to carry a pregnancy to term.

That is a belief.

A future human being is one where the pregnancy concludes in birth.

Can't be born if it's sucked out of the uterus in pieces.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You've never "debated" on here - not once. You don't even know how to.

You do the same bullshit-argument tactics / sealioning Deplorables always do when their education has failed them. And you think it qualifies as debating because you're threatened and dumb.

You might as well be a badly-sourced algorithm.

HisArpy is likely the closest living example of the "Dunning-Kruger effect" that one will ever encounter.
He is also a racist and a misogynist, but I digress.

 

[ll74]

Can't be born if it's sucked out of the uterus in pieces.

Can't be born if the pregnancy isn't carried to birth. Your phrasing is meant to evoke emotion. The majority of abortions are done via a pill.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Can't be born if the pregnancy isn't carried to birth. Your phrasing is meant to evoke emotion. The majority of abortions are done via a pill.

The results are the same.

 

[ll74]

The results are the same.

Yes. The end of the pregnancy.

Which is the point of the medical procedure.

 

[SmokingFap]

I keep telling them this but they always seem to have an excuse not to do it and instead demand that the State they're in cater to their personal and ideological whims instead of the desires of the people.

You dim-witted piece of shit. Republicans stopped doing what the majority of their electorate wanted years ago. And the government is supposed to cater to the desires of the people, at least the majority of them. Republicans refuse to do that based on their OWN personal and ideological whims.

Apparently when it comes to Democrats and abortion, any inconvenience to the desires of the minority outweighs the will of the majority.

What majority, fucktard? The majority of even Republicans don't want abortion completely abolished. It's only the radical fuckbags they elect who want that.

 

[YDB95]

After looking at the studies, what I see is that post-abortion mental health problem are greater in those who had mental health issues pre-abortion.

That's not what the bit you quoted says. It simply says women in the abortion group were more likely to have had mental health issues beforehand; it says nothing about their mental health after the abortion or the causes thereof. And it makes perfect sense that a woman who struggles with her own well-being is less likely to feel she's up to the challenge of having children.

 

[jomar]

Post partum depression has been around as long as women have been giving birth. The cause is known.

Post abortion mental health issues are a different thing altogether. A 2019 study gives information on this:

https://lozierinstitute.org/new-study-elevated-suicide-rates-among-mothers-after-abortion/

Interestingly enough, in 2014 the NIH found that pre-abortion mental health (supposedly) wasn't a predictor on who would have post-abortion mental health issues.




YET, what they also said about WHO is getting abortions is very interesting:



After looking at the studies, what I see is that post-abortion mental health problem are greater in those who had mental health issues pre-abortion. Which negates the conclusion drawn by the NIH in that same study and calls into question their data analysis.

This conclusion on my part also supports my position that abortion tends to cause (or acerbate) psychological issues. Unlike your comparison with post partum depression, which is a natural phenomenon occurring after birth with known causes and treatments.




Hidden in the details and gobbledegook is one pertinent factor - it APPEARS as if the majority of those who seek abortion are already mentally ill to begin with. Which gives rise to the question; do we want the mentally ill driving social policy regarding human reproduction?

lol, now do the mental health status of those who want to ban all abortion including in cases of rape, incest and medical conditions that threaten the life of the pregnant woman.

If Deplorables cared about children and supposed "murder", they would have no issue with birth control methods used to prevent pregnancies from happening.

Instead, they ridicule birth control. On this forum.

They care nothing about babies, states' rights, etc. They only care about being right about the Bible. Full stop.

They are pro-embryo/fetus, not pro-child.

 

[HisArpy]

That's not what the bit you quoted says. It simply says women in the abortion group were more likely to have had mental health issues beforehand; it says nothing about their mental health after the abortion or the causes thereof. And it makes perfect sense that a woman who struggles with her own well-being is less likely to feel she's up to the challenge of having children.

dudly, if you cannot extrapolate from data that's right in front of you, PLEASE STFU.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Post partum depression has been around as long as women have been giving birth. The cause is known.

Post abortion mental health issues are a different thing altogether. A 2019 study gives information on this:

https://lozierinstitute.org/new-study-elevated-suicide-rates-among-mothers-after-abortion/

Interestingly enough, in 2014 the NIH found that pre-abortion mental health (supposedly) wasn't a predictor on who would have post-abortion mental health issues.




YET, what they also said about WHO is getting abortions is very interesting:



After looking at the studies, what I see is that post-abortion mental health problem are greater in those who had mental health issues pre-abortion. Which negates the conclusion drawn by the NIH in that same study and calls into question their data analysis.

This conclusion on my part also supports my position that abortion tends to cause (or acerbate) psychological issues. Unlike your comparison with post partum depression, which is a natural phenomenon occurring after birth with known causes and treatments.




Hidden in the details and gobbledegook is one pertinent factor - it APPEARS as if the majority of those who seek abortion are already mentally ill to begin with. Which gives rise to the question; do we want the mentally ill driving social policy regarding human reproduction?

Immaterial. If abortion is legal, it’s legal.

 

[HisArpy]

Immaterial. If abortion is legal, it’s legal.

Exactly.

Which is why I wonder you and all the rest are screaming about needing a national abortion law.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Exactly.

Which is why I wonder you and all the rest are screaming about needing a national abortion law.

We want abortion to be legal in all states. If a woman in a particular state doesn’t want one, she doesn’t have to get one. She has freedom to make her own choices.

 

[HisArpy]

We want abortion to be legal in all states. If a woman in a particular state doesn’t want one, she doesn’t have to get one. She has freedom to make her own choices.

I really enjoy being the one to tell you this; but abortion IS LEGAL IN ALL 50 STATES.

Have a great morning trying to figure out how to totally miss that point.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I really enjoy being the one to tell you this; but abortion IS LEGAL IN ALL 50 STATES.

Have a great morning trying to figure out how to totally miss that point.

We want abortion to be legal with no restrictions.