Abortion- Unexpected results

[ll74]

Post partum depression has been around as long as women have been giving birth. The cause is known.

Post abortion mental health issues are a different thing altogether. A 2019 study gives information on this:

https://lozierinstitute.org/new-study-elevated-suicide-rates-among-mothers-after-abortion/

Interestingly enough, in 2014 the NIH found that pre-abortion mental health (supposedly) wasn't a predictor on who would have post-abortion mental health issues.




YET, what they also said about WHO is getting abortions is very interesting:



After looking at the studies, what I see is that post-abortion mental health problem are greater in those who had mental health issues pre-abortion. Which negates the conclusion drawn by the NIH in that same study and calls into question their data analysis.

This conclusion on my part also supports my position that abortion tends to cause (or acerbate) psychological issues. Unlike your comparison with post partum depression, which is a natural phenomenon occurring after birth with known causes and treatments.

Regret is a natural phenomenon with known causes and treatments.

 

[ll74]

Of course not. No such thing.

It doesn't matter if there were such a thing. It is irrelevant to the procedure.

 

[HisArpy]

Yeah, about that...

Why we’re still arguing about abortion and regret​

https://i.imgur.com/JH3In8k.png

So we have a situation here, folks.

• On one hand, we have a leading medical ethicist has documented peer-reviewed research indicating that the number of women (out of 50 MILLION abortions) who suffer from post-abortion regret would likely fill a hotel ballroom.
• On the other hand, we have a Literotica poster who has strong opinions about everything under the sun claiming that "many women" suffer trauma post-abortion and insists that to believe otherwise is accepting a "blanket statement".

Who should we believe?
Tell us!

I think we should all read the studies and form our own conclusions rather than listening to assholes wanting their 15 miocroseconds of shitpisting fame.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hidden in the details and gobbledegook is one pertinent factor - it APPEARS as if the majority of those who seek abortion are already mentally ill to begin with. Which gives rise to the question; do we want the mentally ill driving social policy regarding human reproduction?

Results
Women in the abortion group were more likely to have never been married, p = .001, to have had more prior adverse experiences, p = .049, and to have had a pre-pregnancy miscarriage, p = .044, than women in the childbirth group (Table 1). In addition, before their pregnancy, women who had abortions had significantly more mental health disorders overall, p < .001, and were significantly more likely to have had an anxiety disorder, p = .004, mood disorder, p < .001, substance use disorder, p < .001, and suicidal ideation, p < .001, and marginally more likely to have had an impulse-control disorder, p = .059, than women in the childbirth group... (Emphasis added)

Oh not THIS study again!
This poster is referencing a 1997 study.
"Substance use disorder" in 1997 included smoking pot....the startling revelation that women who had abortions were much more likely to smoke pot than the general population. Those of you old enough to remember might recall that women past child-bearing years in 1997 were far less likely to have experimented with the "Devil's Weed" than dirty filthy "hippie chicks" and their spawn.

"Anxiety disorder". Women who have abortion take Xanax at a higher rate than the general population. Xanax usage has grown exponentially since 1997, as have all benzos. 43% of all Xanax prescriptions are for the lightest dosage. Anti-anxiety medications do not carry the social stigma they once did, way back in 1997.


So, women who have abortions are much more prone to smoking pot and taking Xanax. They're certainly not "perfect", according to men's illusions of a perfect woman.

 

[ll74]

I think we should all read the studies and form our own conclusions rather than listening to assholes wanting their 15 miocroseconds of shitpisting fame.

If you wish to offer counseling to women considering an abortion, I'm all for it. It should not be required.

 

[HisArpy]

Regret is a natural phenomenon with known causes and treatments.

This is belittling to those who have/need mental health counseling post pregnancy. You can do better than be a dismissive douchebag.

 

[HisArpy]

Oh not THIS study again!
This poster is referencing a 1997 study.
"Substance use disorder" in 1997 included smoking pot....the startling revelation that women who had abortions were much more likely to smoke pot than the general population. Those of you old enough to remember might recall that women past child-bearing years in 1997 were far less likely to have experimented with the "Devil's Weed" than dirty filthy "hippie chicks" and their spawn.

"Anxiety disorder". Women who have abortion take Xanax at a higher rate than the general population. Xanax usage has grown exponentially since 1997, as have all benzos. 43% of all Xanax prescriptions are for the lightest dosage. Anti-anxiety medications do not carry the social stigma they once did, way back in 1997.


So, women who have abortions are much more prone to smoking pot and taking Xanax. They're certainly not "perfect", according to men's illusions of a perfect woman.

WHAT 1997 study? I never linked to any 1997 study.

Are you sure you're not stupid?

 

[HisArpy]

If you wish to offer counseling to women considering an abortion, I'm all for it. It should not be required.

I never said it should be.

What I don't get is how you read stuff that isn't there and somehow form a conclusion about something I never said.

 

[Saint_Ann]

It doesn't matter if there were such a thing. It is irrelevant to the procedure.

If it were "just a procedure" there would be no controversy.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I think we should all read the studies and form our own conclusions rather than listening to assholes wanting their 15 miocroseconds of shitpisting fame.

I concur counselor, and speaking of "assholes wanting their 15 miocroseconds (sic) of shitpisting (sic) fame, I'd like to point out that your Lozier institute article references "research" from the "Elliot Institute" aka "antiabortion.org" which prides itself on producing cherry-picked "research" validating anti-abortion biases for over 30 years.

I hope you are intelligent enough to realize that nobody takes that sort of "research" seriously.

Keep servin' 'em up, squire.

I'll be here to knock down your falsehoods and half-truths every single time.

I have the high ground
https://i.imgur.com/YlFlGUD.png

 

[ll74]

If it were "just a procedure" there would be no controversy.

It is just a procedure. The controversy is from those who refuse to understand that, because of things they believe rather than reality.

That is why those people bring up "souls" and "babies" when discussing a procedure that involves neither.

And even when provided a viable compromise, they continue to insist that their beliefs are more important than other's reality.

 

[ll74]

I never said it should be.

What I don't get is how you read stuff that isn't there and somehow form a conclusion about something I never said.

I never assumed your position. I provided mine

 

[HisArpy]

I never assumed your position. I provided mine

You PROJECTED your belief that I am of a specific opinion without cause or supporting facts.

 

[RoryN]

If Deplorables cared about children and supposed "murder", they would have no issue with birth control methods used to prevent pregnancies from happening.

Instead, they ridicule birth control. On this forum.

They care nothing about babies, states' rights, etc. They only care about being right about the Bible. Full stop.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

If Deplorables cared about children and supposed "murder", they would have no issue with birth control methods used to prevent pregnancies from happening.

Instead, they ridicule birth control. On this forum.

They care nothing about babies, states' rights, etc. They only care about being right about the Bible. Full stop.

I don’t even think they care about the Bible. The conservative position on abortion is only about controlling women’s bodies. Full stop.

 

[HisArpy]

If Deplorables cared about children and supposed "murder", they would have no issue with birth control methods used to prevent pregnancies from happening.

Instead, they ridicule birth control. On this forum.

They care nothing about babies, states' rights, etc. They only care about being right about the Bible. Full stop.

Annnnnddddd.... rorbags shows up to dispense his bullshit opinion right on schedule.

For you information rorbags, BIRTH CONTROL means there's no child to begin with. Abortion ends a life that has already begun.

Big difference and nowhere even close to the pap you spewed.

 

[ll74]

You PROJECTED your belief that I am of a specific opinion without cause or supporting facts.

No, I never said anything about your position. I gave you mine.

If you took that differently, that isn't my issue.

 

[HisArpy]

I concur counselor, and speaking of "assholes wanting their 15 miocroseconds (sic) of shitpisting (sic) fame, I'd like to point out that your Lozier institute article references "research" from the "Elliot Institute" aka "antiabortion.org" which prides itself on producing cherry-picked "research" validating anti-abortion biases for over 30 years.

I hope you are intelligent enough to realize that nobody takes that sort of "research" seriously.

Keep servin' 'em up, squire.

I'll be here to knock down your falsehoods and half-truths every single time.

I have the high ground
https://i.imgur.com/YlFlGUD.png

Your opinion of their research methodology has zero impact on my linking to the study because your beliefs are of no value to the results they correlated and which other studies (like the one from the NIH I linked to) back up.

Basically, you poo poo the facts you don't agree with regardless of whether those facts are supported by other independent studies merely because you CANNOT ADMIT that your position on this issue is wrong and isn't based on reality but instead is based on ideology.

Attacking me via Ad Hom doesn't help you either. It only shows that you're still seeking that 15 microseconds and still not getting there.

 

[Bray123]

Banning legal abortions is not about banning abortions. It will never reduce the number of abortions to any appreciable degree.

All it does is make abortions illegal and dangerous. Punishment of women for daring to get pregnant and withdrawal of proper health care is the only effect.

 

[TallMan69]

<<Some believe that abortion scars the psyche of the mother. Certainly there is data to support that in some cases the mother needed some counseling afterward.>>

Some believe that birth can scar the psyche of the mother as well. Certainly there is data to support in some cases the mother needed some counseling afterward for postpartum depression.

 

[RoryN]

For you information rorbags, BIRTH CONTROL means there's no child to begin with. Abortion ends a life that has already begun.

Thanks, Captain Obvious. Everything I said was on point. But, nice try.

I don’t even think they care about the Bible. The conservative position on abortion is only about controlling women’s bodies. Full stop.

Very true. Regardless, I do think religion still plays a big part.

 

[ll74]

There's an echo in here

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Thanks, Captain Obvious. Everything I said was on point. But, nice try.



Very true. Regardless, I do think religion still plays a big part.

As with most things Christian Evangelicals believe, the hate and bigotry come first, then they comb through scripture to find a way to rationalize their beliefs. They particularly love the Old Testament because any rules they don't like can be handwaved away by saying "Jesus says there's a new covenant", and since they're unfamiliar with rabbinical teaching they don't know their naive readings contradict what the Torah actually says.

 

[Saint_Ann]

It is just a procedure. The controversy is from those who refuse to understand that, because of things they believe rather than reality.

That is why those people bring up "souls" and "babies" when discussing a procedure that involves neither.

And even when provided a viable compromise, they continue to insist that their beliefs are more important than other's reality.

The reality is it's the killing of a future human being, and some refuse to accept that.

 

[Saint_Ann]

As with most things Christian Evangelicals believe, the hate and bigotry come first, then they comb through scripture to find a way to rationalize their beliefs. They particularly love the Old Testament because any rules they don't like can be handwaved away by saying "Jesus says there's a new covenant", and since they're unfamiliar with rabbinical teaching they don't know their naive readings contradict what the Torah actually says.

It really has nothing to do with religion. It's simple biology.