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[BrightShinyGirl]

When did they adhere to international law? It appears that they’ve broken more laws than they’ve adhered to.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statem...-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

Yes, the International Criminal Court has been co-opted to attack Israel.

 

[deckardB26354]

Yes, the International Criminal Court has been co-opted to attack Israel.

Really? What proof do you have of this?

Because I’d honestly like to know why the ICC all of a sudden has decided to attack Israel. If you actually went to the link that I posted, you’ll see (and I actually posted here) the crimes that Hamas has been charged with alongside Israel.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

When did they adhere to international law? It appears that they’ve broken more laws than they’ve adhered to.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statem...-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

Israel isn’t starving Gaza. It’s allowed humanitarian aid in to feed the population, but it’s often stolen by Hamas. Neither has it intentionally targeted civilians, although civilian casualties are unavoidable considering Hamas’s tactic of using human shields.

Really? What proof do you have of this?

Because I’d honestly like to know why the ICC all of a sudden has decided to attack Israel. If you actually went to the link that I posted, you’ll see (and I actually posted) the crimes that Hamas has been charged with alongside Israel.

The crimes that Israel is charged with are a direct result of Hamas’s method of conducting the war. They don’t try to protect the civilians in Gaza. They try to maximize their suffering so Israel will be blamed.

 

[butters]

there seems to be a big split between the 'Israel's to blame for everything" and the "Israel's a total victim, dammit!" viewpoints on display

some of us at least try to look inbetween that, at the facts

 

[butters]

Israel isn’t starving Gaza. It’s allowed humanitarian aid in to feed the population, but it’s often stolen by Hamas. Neither has it intentionally targeted civilians, although civilian casualties are unavoidable considering Hamas’s tactic of using human shields.

The crimes that Israel is charged with are a direct result of Hamas’s method of conducting the war. They don’t try to protect the civilians in Gaza. They try to maximize their suffering so Israel will be blamed.

sorry, but that isn't borne out by the witnesses on the ground: the aid workers, the doctors, the nurses, people trying to get food into Gaza only to be blocked and blocked again. The truckloads being allowed through were a tiny fraction of the food normally received by Gaza, causing further disruption on its arrival for distribution. It's not borne out by the journalists, by international crews trying to help, and by the case after case of starving adults and children.

there's proof enough for the UN, for the ICC and for a large majority of the world to be convinced of the evidence.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

there seems to be a big split between the 'Israel's to blame for everything" and the "Israel's a total victim, dammit!" viewpoints on display

some of us at least try to look inbetween that, at the facts

Meanwhile the rockets keep falling on Israel and the hostages are nearing a year in captivity. Israel didn’t start this war, but if you only criticize the Israelis for how they fight back, while ignoring the attacks on Israeli civilians by their opponents, your impartiality is questionable.

 

[ll74]

Meanwhile the rockets keep falling on Israel and the hostages are nearing a year in captivity. Israel didn’t start this war, but if you only criticize the Israelis for how they fight back, while ignoring the attacks on Israeli civilian by their opponents, your impartiality is questionable.

She doesn't only criticize Israel

 

[deckardB26354]

Israel isn’t starving Gaza. It’s allowed humanitarian aid in to feed the population, but it’s often stolen by Hamas. Neither has it intentionally targeted civilians, although civilian casualties are unavoidable considering Hamas’s tactic of using human shields.

You’re kidding me, right? Israel held back dozens, if not hundreds, of relief trucks at the southern Gaza border as well as that forcing the US to build that pier that hardly worked to bring in a trickle of aid that was needed. Stolen by Hamas, really? When you’re starving to death, manners and decorum tends to evaporate pretty fucking fast.

They haven’t intentionally targeted civilians, huh? Tell that to the World Central Kitchen workers that were murdered (ooops! Sorry! I meant unintentionally killed!), or the American civilian protesting for Palestinians that had their land taken on the West Bank that was shot in the head. I’ve also read reports of snipers killing Palestinian women and children in the streets. I guess when you’re a Palestinian, you’re your own human shield.

The crimes that Israel is charged with are a direct result of Hamas’s method of conducting the war. They don’t try to protect the civilians in Gaza. They try to maximize their suffering so Israel will be blamed.

Oh, the old “well, they started it!” argument works here? So since Hamas carried out 10/7, that gives Israel the right to annihilate Gaza just “because?” That sounds like a story that I read that an IDF officer that said hateful shit—it was something like, “one Jewish life is worth more than 10,000 non-Jews.”

Your stance on this doesn’t really work on a logical level, does it?

 

[butters]

Meanwhile the rockets keep falling on Israel and the hostages are nearing a year in captivity. Israel didn’t start this war, but if you only criticize the Israelis for how they fight back, while ignoring the attacks on Israeli civilians by their opponents, your impartiality is questionable.

i don't. not once, not ever... but this thread isn't about their acts on Israels, their crimes and terrorism. I have openly stated my opposition of hamas and desire to see it eradicated as a power over Palestinians.

I have constantly called for ceasefire to get hostages freed... ceasefires being desperately brokered by outside countries because all this blowing up into outright war is something damaging to the U.S and the world. Diplomatic work ruined in turns by hamas and by Israel, because one doesn't give a shit about civilians and the other counts all the Palestinian civilians as 'likely or potential members of hamas', no matter their age or infirmity.

one of my parents was of Jewish descent, his parents, but i will not close my eyes and ears to the illegal actions of Israel just as much as I won't ignore the fault of the terrorists.

 

[butters]

She doesn't only criticize Israel

i appreciate that, thankyou

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

i don't. not once, not ever... but this thread isn't about their acts on Israels, their crimes and terrorism. I have openly stated my opposition of hamas and desire to see it eradicated as a power over Palestinians.

I have constantly called for ceasefire to get hostages freed... ceasefires being desperately brokered by outside countries because all this blowing up into outright war is something damaging to the U.S and the world. Diplomatic work ruined in turns by hamas and by Israel, because one doesn't give a shit about civilians and the other counts all the Palestinian civilians as 'likely or potential members of hamas', no matter their age or infirmity.

one of my parents was of Jewish descent, his parents, but i will not close my eyes and ears to the illegal actions of Israel just as much as I won't ignore the fault of the terrorists.

This thread is about Israel’s war against Hezbollah. Israel has been fighting on two fronts since the massacre on October 7th.

It’s been pushing into Gaza to try to free the hostages and destroy Hamas, while simultaneously it’s been under a rocket barrage from the north which has killed dozens of Israelis and forced 10s of thousands to flee for their lives. Hezbollah fired over 100 rockets at civilian targets in Israel just today. Fortunately casualties are light, but fires are still burning in Nazareth.

 

[ll74]

This thread is about Israel’s war against Hezbollah. Israel has been fighting on two fronts since the massacre on October 7th.

It’s been pushing into Gaza to try to free the hostages and destroy Hamas, while simultaneously it’s been under a rocket barrage from the north which has killed dozens of Israelis and forced 10s of thousands to flee for their lives. Hezbollah fired over 100 rockets at civilian targets in Israel just today. Fortunately casualties are light, but fires are still burning in Nazareth.

And you openly lied about her criticisms. She defended herself.

 

[butters]

This thread is about Israel’s war against Hezbollah. Israel has been fighting on two fronts since the massacre on October 7th.

It’s been pushing into Gaza to try to free the hostages and destroy Hamas, while simultaneously it’s been under a rocket barrage from the north which has killed dozens of Israelis and forced 10s of thousands to flee for their lives. Hezbollah fired over 100 rockets at civilian targets in Israel just today. Fortunately casualties are light, but fires are still burning in Nazareth.

the war between Israel and hezbollah is ongoing... Israel is doing their own fair share of bombing, as well as now crossing the line of international humanitarian law by using pagers and walkie-talkies as weapons.

The 100 rockets fired at civilian targets follow Israel's own

unusually intense barrage of bombs on Thursday. And a huge strike on southern Beirut on Friday.

I condone neither; I condemn both. Peace for every civilian is the picture I'd love to see. No civilian should have to be concerned about being bombed while shopping, or not knowing if they'll wake up the morning after going to bed at night. It's disingenuous to decry the rockets Friday yet, at the same time, ignore those sent into Lebanon by Israel the day before that.

Israeli attacks on Hezbollah, the Lebanese militia, this week constitute a significant escalation in the 11-month war between the two sides. For nearly a year, Israel and Hezbollah have fought a low-level conflict, mostly along the Israeli-Lebanese border, that has gradually gathered force without ever exploding into an all-out war.

Now, Israel is attempting a riskier playbook. It has markedly increased the intensity of its attacks in an attempt to force Hezbollah to back down, while raising the chances of the opposite outcome: a more aggressive response from Hezbollah that devolves into an unbridled land war.

Israel has sabotaged Hezbollah’s communications devices, blowing up hundreds, if not thousands, of them in a widespread cyberattack. Its fighter jets have pounded southern Lebanon with rare intensity. And on Friday afternoon, they struck Beirut, the Lebanese capital, for the first time since July — killing a senior Hezbollah military commander, according to Israeli officials, and collapsing two buildings, according to Lebanese officials.

the capitol... that cannot be painted as an area with no civilians in situ

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/20/world/middleeast/israel-lebanon-attacks-hezbollah-war.html

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

the war between Israel and hezbollah is ongoing... Israel is doing their own fair share of bombing, as well as now crossing the line of international humanitarian law by using pagers and walkie-talkies as weapons.

The 100 rockets fired at civilian targets follow Israel's own

I condone neither; I condemn both. Peace for every civilian is the picture I'd love to see. No civilian should have to be concerned about being bombed while shopping, or not knowing if they'll wake up the morning after going to bed at night. It's disingenuous to decry the rockets Friday yet, at the same time, ignore those sent into Lebanon by Israel the day before that.






the capitol... that cannot be painted as an area with no civilians in situ

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/20/world/middleeast/israel-lebanon-attacks-hezbollah-war.html

The attack on Beirut was a targeted strike at Hezbollah leaders—a legitimate military target. The same is true of the beeper attack— it targeted only communications devices distributed and used by Hezbollah.

Today’s rocket attack on northern Israel was deliberately launched against civilians and served no military purpose except spreading terror.

See, this is what I mean about you not being impartial.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Israel just dropped an absolutely massive bomb on a target in Lebanon. Not a nuke, but holy Jesus, it's a biggie

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837550947570004095

 

[butters]

The attack on Beirut was a targeted strike at Hezbollah leaders—a legitimate military target. The same is true of the beeper attack— it targeted only communications devices distributed and used by Hezbollah.

Today’s rocket attack on northern Israel was deliberately launched against civilians and served no military purpose except spreading terror.

See, this is what I mean about you not being impartial.

and you contend that, in a capitol city, it wouldn't be swarming with civilians in the vicinity?

what about the fighter jets 'pounding southern Lebanon with rare intensity'? no civilian populations involved there?

as i said, i condemn BOTH because i am not blinkered.

I'm going to refrain from further discussions on this with you, BSG, because I have respect for you as a poster here and refuse to let this deteriorate beyond the point it already has—your claim that implies I only condemn Israel when that is not true.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Here's another clip.

The only question I have is, has France surrendered yet?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837587358029697109

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

and you contend that, in a capitol city, it wouldn't be swarming with civilians in the vicinity?

what about the fighter jets 'pounding southern Lebanon with rare intensity'? no civilian populations involved there?

as i said, i condemn BOTH because i am not blinkered.

I'm going to refrain from further discussions on this with you, BSG, because I have respect for you as a poster here and refuse to let this deteriorate beyond the point it already has—your claim that implies I only condemn Israel when that is not true.

There’s a difference between accidentally killing civilians when you aim for a military target, and deliberately targeting civilians like Hezbollah does.

I’m opposed to false equivalence arguments whether the two parties being compared are Republicans and Democrats or Hezbollah and Israel.

I don’t like arguing with you either, but I will keep tapping the sign.

 

[ChloeTzang]

...FAE?

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[deckardB26354]

Here's another clip.

The only question I have is, has France surrendered yet?

It looks like the same clip, but cropped. It has the same sound/voice track.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Hamas is done, virtually exterminated. It's now Hezbollah's turn to disappear from the face of the Earth. Once Hezbollah has been weakened enough those Lebanese that want no part of the psychopaths activities will join in with the Israeli's to aid in the extermination. The Lebanese want their nation back and the only way that's going to happen is for Hezbollah to begone.

This is just the beginning. The question is NOT what Israel is doing, but what is Iran going to do about it?

 

[Lazaran]

and you contend that, in a capitol city, it wouldn't be swarming with civilians in the vicinity?

what about the fighter jets 'pounding southern Lebanon with rare intensity'? no civilian populations involved there?

as i said, i condemn BOTH because i am not blinkered.

I'm going to refrain from further discussions on this with you, BSG, because I have respect for you as a poster here and refuse to let this deteriorate beyond the point it already has—your claim that implies I only condemn Israel when that is not true.

No offense, butters, but while you do blame “both sides”, you appear to blame “both sides” equally, and tend to ignore the precipitating factors that led to the current death and destruction in Gaza AND in Israel.

ONE side IS faaaaaar more to blame for the death and destruction in the region over the decades - and it isn’t Israel, imho.

 

[butters]

no offense taken, L

 

[butters]

the targeted strike in a Beirut suburb did damage to hezbollah leaders... and also to a nursery

BEIRUT/JERUSALEM, Sept 21 (Reuters) - Rescue workers in Beirut searched on Saturday for people still missing in rubble a day after an Israeli airstrike, targeting Hezbollah commanders, killed at least 37 people in a suburb of the Lebanese capital, according to authorities.
Hezbollah, a powerful Iran-backed group, said 16 members including senior leader Ibrahim Aqil and another commander, Ahmed Wahbi, were among those killed in the deadliest strike in nearly a year of conflict with Israel.

The attack levelled a multi-story residential building in the crowded suburb and damaged a nursery next door, a security source said. Three children and seven women were among those killed, according to Lebanon's health ministry.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...,on Saturday for people missing in the rubble.

 

[ChloeTzang]

the targeted strike in a Beirut suburb did damage to hezbollah leaders... and also to a nursery

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-strike-beirut-friday-killed-31-lebanese-ministry-says-2024-09-21/#:~:text=An Israeli airstrike that targeted Hezbollah commanders in,on Saturday for people missing in the rubble.

Good to see IDF taking out significant targets. Sounds like Hezbollah is going to be dealt with next. Hezbollah’s military chain of command has been almost completely dismantled after a dozen significant terrorists including Ibrahim Aqil were eliminated yesterday. Nice! Congrats, IDF.

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