How EV sales are losing momentum with US buyers

[Fuzzy1975]

This is a flat out lie.

You even reference in another post about "co-generation efficiency" which is 70-80%.

The first law of thermodynamics would say that the missing 20-30% proves you to be a liar. The conversion losses even from co-generation reduce the efficiency of EV's below that of ICE. Your attempt to factor in city vs highway is more of the same sort of misdirection based on bullshit that you keep slinging.

Even if EV's were 100% efficient on the charge (They aren't. They have energy loss as the windings in the motors and the batteries heat up from use reducing the theoretical efficiency ratings even further.) that means that they're, at best, only 80% of fossil fuels because of the losses in "co-generation." And that's if you don't factor in the transmission losses and the losses from the charging system itself.

So again, you're just bullshitting everyone. Worse, calling in your supposed "expertise" in this field only shows that you KNOW you're bullshitting everyone. Especially when there are ACTUAL EXPERTS in the field of electrical engineering and power generation as well as ACTUAL EXPERTS in EV's who are saying that EV's aren't a viable solution based on our current power grids and power supply capabilities.

And finally most of what you keep bullshitting everyone about doesn't exist yet. At best it's still experimental tech. At worst it's not even off the drawing board.

EV's are not the future. Future transportation will be based on tech that's not available yet because we don't have the math and science to make it work. Eventually we will, but right now we don't. Until then EV's are second rate to fossil fuels and actually cause more pollution and harm to the environment that fossil fuels.

ANYONE who says otherwise is a liar or is personally invested in the scam. You know, like you are.

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Prime example of someone who doesn't understand what he's talking about......lol

 

[AlexBailey]

This is a flat out lie.

You even reference in another post about "co-generation efficiency" which is 70-80%.

The first law of thermodynamics would say that the missing 20-30% proves you to be a liar. The conversion losses even from co-generation reduce the efficiency of EV's below that of ICE. Your attempt to factor in city vs highway is more of the same sort of misdirection based on bullshit that you keep slinging.

Even if EV's were 100% efficient on the charge (They aren't. They have energy loss as the windings in the motors and the batteries heat up from use reducing the theoretical efficiency ratings even further.) that means that they're, at best, only 80% of fossil fuels because of the losses in "co-generation." The fact that we're not go-generating all of our electrical power only shows that you're spewing data which doesn't match the reality of the power sources available. In essence, you're cherry picking the best possible scenario that is not much better than a pipe dream. And all of that only works if you don't factor in the transmission losses and the losses from the charging system itself. Even in your fantasy electrical world those transmission losses kill the efficiency rating.

So again, you're just bullshitting everyone. Worse, calling in your supposed "expertise" in this field only shows that you KNOW you're bullshitting everyone. Especially when there are ACTUAL EXPERTS in the field of electrical engineering and power generation as well as ACTUAL EXPERTS in EV's who are saying that EV's aren't a viable solution based on our current power grids and power supply capabilities.

And finally most of what you keep bullshitting everyone about doesn't exist yet. At best it's still experimental tech. At worst it's not even off the drawing board.

EV's are not the future. Future transportation will be based on energy tech that's not available yet because we don't have the math and science to make it work. Eventually we will, but right now we don't. Until then EV's are second rate to fossil fuels and actually cause more pollution and harm to the environment that fossil fuels.

ANYONE who says otherwise is a liar or is personally invested in the scam. You know, like you are.

What the fuck are you talking about? You truly can't hold multiple thoughts in your head and you don't understand the ones you're focused on. You're a clown. You're only showing how hopeless you are.

There's no way I'm going to weed through and try to sort the mud of your logic, and your lack of understanding is obvious to anyone else who already understands the issues who tries to follow your bullshit. Do you not see the big red nose in your mirror?

Go hit the books. You aren't worth my time.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

The first law of thermodynamics...

I'd have been surprised if you showed a glimmer of understanding about the laws of thermodynamics. And, well, I'm unsurprised.

EV's are not the future. Future transportation will be based on energy tech that's not available yet because we don't have the math and science to make it work. Eventually we will, but right now we don't. Until then EV's are second rate to fossil fuels and actually cause more pollution and harm to the environment that fossil fuels.

Lol.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Go hit the books.

When you say that, he thinks of physically hitting them,not reading them!

 

[AlexBailey]

When you say that, he thinks of physically hitting them,not reading them!

Fine with me. I just hope he uses his head, whichever method he uses.

 

[Rightguide]

No, I get hired as an expert in this subject because I know what I’m doing and my knowledge is provable in the real world in practical applications, not just theory.

Your weak minded emotional ranting can’t refute reality.

Here's an expert opinion being rendered by the smartest people in the country, the market:

Report: Despite Billions in Government Investments, Electric Vehicles ‘Piling Up on Dealer Lots’​

JOHN BINDER27 Dec 2023

Electric Vehicles (EVs) are “piling up on dealer lots” as American consumers continue buying traditional gas-powered cars at faster rates, the Wall Street Journal reports.

According to the Journal, despite major investments from the federal government and automakers into EVs, Americans are not warming to President Joe Biden’s green energy agenda the way the administration and the industry had predicted.

The Journal reports:

As a result, electric cars and trucks are piling up on dealer lots, causing auto companies to reassess their investment plans. It takes a dealership around three weeks longer to sell an EV than a gasoline vehicle, according to data from car-shopping website Edmunds. A year ago, battery-powered models were selling faster than their gasoline counterparts. [Emphasis added]

Aside from a lack of electric charging stations and consumer nervousness over reliability, the cost of EVs remains a prime reason why Americans are choosing gas-powered cars instead.

More here: https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2...ents-electric-vehicles-piling-up-dealer-lots/

PS: "The Biden administration’s massive taxpayer-funded investments into EVs have yet to come to fruition. For instance, the $7.5 billion allocated to build electric chargers across the United States has yet to produce a single charger.

 

[HisArpy]

What the fuck are you talking about? You truly can't hold multiple thoughts in your head and you don't understand the ones you're focused on. You're a clown. You're only showing how hopeless you are.

There's no way I'm going to weed through and try to sort the mud of your logic, and your lack of understanding is obvious to anyone else who already understands the issues who tries to follow your bullshit. Do you not see the big red nose in your mirror?

Go hit the books. You aren't worth my time.

Yes we know you can't refute the logic. Go cry yourself to sleep.

 

[Chernosoth]

I want to see more inline sixes. Most V8s are hotrod trash. Flat sixes may also be useful for streamlining.

 

[HisArpy]

I want to see more inline sixes. Most V8s are hotrod trash. Flat sixes may also be useful for streamlining.

The inline 6 is better for low end torque. Which fits in with the low RPM gearing of cars these days. A straight 8 would be even better at it.

The problem, as in all things auto related, is the weight. Inline engines are heavy. And big, which affects aerodynamics.

They're also dirty when it comes to emissions. The best solution for that is to use a different fuel source. I watched a youboob video about someone who built a hydrogen pickup (50's era) and extolled the virtues of gas over liquid fuel. It was interesting and eye opening because it's totally doable even with today's tech and distribution systems.

Yet no car mfg does.

 

[Chernosoth]

The inline 6 is better for low end torque. Which fits in with the low RPM gearing of cars these days. A straight 8 would be even better at it.

The problem, as in all things auto related, is the weight. Inline engines are heavy. And big, which affects aerodynamics.

They're also dirty when it comes to emissions.

Absolutely. And they're still in the ranks of the best engines ever made, because they last much longer with less maintenance. That really matters as new cars are becoming far too expensive for most buyers, and we run short of mechanics because everyone wants a desk job.

 

[AlexBailey]

Yes we know you can't refute the logic. Go cry yourself to sleep.

. Your “logic” refutes itself.

 

[jomar]

How did you manage to serve in Vietnam as a Gen X?

There’s absolutely no way he’s not a boomer. His whole schtick screams “get off my lawn” and gen Xers just aren’t there yet.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The inline 6 is better for low end torque. Which fits in with the low RPM gearing of cars these days. A straight 8 would be even better at it.

The problem, as in all things auto related, is the weight. Inline engines are heavy. And big, which affects aerodynamics.

They're also dirty when it comes to emissions. The best solution for that is to use a different fuel source. I watched a youboob video about someone who built a hydrogen pickup (50's era) and extolled the virtues of gas over liquid fuel. It was interesting and eye opening because it's totally doable even with today's tech and distribution systems.

Yet no car mfg does.

Because it takes more energy in than you get out....but since you have shown you truly don't understand the Laws of Theromdynamics...there is very little reason to explain it to you.

 

[colddiesel]

This thread is unhelpful:-

The best selling car in the world in the 1st Quarter of 2023 was the Tesla Model Y - 2nd Quarter the Tesla model Y - 3rd Quarter the Tesla Model Y - 4th Quarter will be the Tesla model Y.

Daylight was second, and no amount of Propaganda by the legacy industry in the USA, Europe, or Japan is gunna change this trend.

The USA market accounts for 15% of World new cars, Europe 15%, and China 27%. The two biggest battery makers for EV's are CATL (37%) and BYD (15%) both Chinese, and if you are reading this on an iphone there is a 30% chance that BYD made the battery for that as well.

 

[Bray123]

The US is somewhat unusual in global auto markets in that fuel costs/taxation has always been extremely low. Thus motorists are used to being able to afford big inefficient vehicles that are great for eating miles but not so fantastic at eking out the last cent in the wallet. Most of the world has cars that fit into tight parking spaces, rarely (never) exceed 100 miles per day and easily surpass 50 miles per gallon.

Thus an electric vehicle suits their needs. Most of the recharge cost is in the last few miles-worth of battery; if people know that they won't be going more than 20 miles they won't spend more than a few pennies on charging more than a quarter of a 'tank'.

Batteries are improving (driven mostly by the cell phone market) and one day those Texans who drive 500 miles a day in their V8 will realise that the world has left them behind.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

There’s absolutely no way he’s not a boomer. His whole schtick screams “get off my lawn” and gen Xers just aren’t there yet.

Rightguide is totally a boomer.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Rightguide is totally a boomer.

His utter fascination with McCarthy and Chicago presidential election fraud in 1960 carbon dates him as a first-gen boomer. He has been on the public dole since he lost his job circa 1999.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Rightguide is totally a boomer.

Me too. Not a bad time to be born. We owe a debt of gratitude to our Greatest Generation parents, although not all boomers learned the lessons they taught us. Those of us who did are enjoying our retirement years to the fullest and passing on our wealth, work ethic, and personal responsibility values to our children and grandchildren.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

They will be pretty much useless in the northern states during the winter

lol, what a tard.

 

[ishtat]

They will be pretty much useless in the northern states during the winter

So can you explain why Norway, which is a fair bit closer to the North Pole than the Northern States ( It borders Russia and Sweden) buys a greater proportion of EV's than any other Nation and also pumps more oil per head than the USA?

 

[Rightguide]

DAVID BLACKMON: The One Simple Reason Electric Vehicles Are Doomed To Fail​

DAVID BLACKMONDAVID BLACKMON IS AN ENERGY WRITER AND CONSULTANT BASED IN TEXAS. HE SPENT 40 YEARS IN THE OIL AND GAS BUSINESS, WHERE HE SPECIALIZED IN PUBLIC POLICY AND COMMUNICATIONS.
December 30, 202312:00 PM ET

I wrote a story in September about a fellow in the U.S. deciding to junk his paid-off EV when he got an estimate of $30k to replace his battery. We now see frequent reports that auto insurance companies are charging higher rates for EVs than for comparable ICE cars due in large part to this extravagant battery replacement cost.

If you think that $30,000 is extravagant, well, get ready, because it apparently isn’t even close to the worst-case scenario. Per the Western Journal, a Canadian man, Kyle Hsu, paid roughly $55,000 Canadian ($41,583 US) in 2022 to buy a brand new Hyundai IONIQ 5. But, less than a year later, Mr. Hsu was involved in what seemed to be a minor accident resulting in superficial damage to his beautiful EV.

Unfortunately for Hsu, it turned out that the battery protector cover on his car’s undercarriage was warped, a problem that could in certain instances cause the battery to explode. This meant that he would have to replace his car’s battery pack in addition to fixing its structural damage. Hsu says he was shocked when the estimate to replace the battery came in at $61,000 Canadian, or about $46,000 in US dollars. That’s almost $6,000 more than he paid for the car when he purchased it brand new.

Even worse, because the damage was caused by an accident, the bill was not covered by the car’s warranty, leaving Hsu with the alternative of filing a claim with his insurance carrier. But the resulting insurance implications were enormous, with Mr. Hsu facing a rate increase of up to 50% if he filed the claim. His only other choice would be to foot the repair bill himself and now have over $87,000 US dollars invested in a $41,000 car.

More here:https://dailycaller.com/2023/12/30/...c-vehicles-are-doomed-to-fail-david-blackmon/

At present this is a loser technology not ready for prime time.

 

[revinivon]

Baby Boomers almost always resist change—and those changes are often needed to patch up terrible decisions that they made. They've ruined the lives of countless people after going from free love in the 60s to corporate shills in the 80s. They created every problem that they whine about.

If there was a button available that would eliminate all Boomers, I'd press it twice—just to be sure.

 

[Rightguide]

Baby Boomers almost always resist change—and those changes are often needed to patch up terrible decisions that they made. They've ruined the lives of countless people after going from free love in the 60s to corporate shills in the 80s. They created every problem that they whine about.

If there was a button available that would eliminate all Boomers, I'd press it twice—just to be sure.

Total bullshit.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Baby Boomers almost always resist change—and those changes are often needed to patch up terrible decisions that they made. They've ruined the lives of countless people after going from free love in the 60s to corporate shills in the 80s. They created every problem that they whine about.

If there was a button available that would eliminate all Boomers, I'd press it twice—just to be sure.

Boomer envy. Lol

 

[Fuzzy1975]

DAVID BLACKMON: The One Simple Reason Electric Vehicles Are Doomed To Fail​

So here is the "rest of the story" ( Sorry Paul for using you in a shitty posts)....

Note this story also show that A the guy got a new car, and B he isn't receiving a 50% premium increase.

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/12/11/hyundai-ev-battery-icbc-cost/