What happens to the Republican Party when Donald Trump dies?

[Lazaran]

We also know that Democrats accuse their political opponents of what they are doing. So when they call Trump Hitler we know it's because they want to misdirect the actions of Joe Biden that resemble those of the crazed goose-stepping tyrant.

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(Quoted for posters and stupidity)

Godwin says “Nuh-uh” "Right"guide.(Nazi).

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/19/godwins-law-trump-hitler-00132427

/ "Right"Guide (Nazi)



"Right"guide

 

[LeatherChaps]

He’s an old man, and years of living a playboy lifestyle have taken their toll. He probably doesn’t have much longer left.

But the Republican Party doesn’t seem to stand for anything except devotion to him. So what happens after Trump’s gone? Who assumes the mantle of leadership, and what policies will they run on?

You have no idea how wrong you are about the GOP.

Yes he may win the nomination but that is only because the anti Trump half of the party is split.

Im sure you would love to believe that the GOP is just a bunch of Trumpers, but you only lie to yourself when you do so. There is a very strong anti Trump sentiment quite apart from the Mitt Romney wing of the party, but it remains to be seen if the two sides can unite in time under ONE candidate to save the nomination. My guess is they wont.



So what happens?

Well this depends a great deal on the outcome of the 91 indictments. He cant beat them ALL. I honestly believe he's headed to prison with a smaller possibility of plea bargaining his way out of jail by withdrawing from the race. That would be a logical solution but not very likely given Trump's narcissism nor the vengeance in the heart of the Democrat DOJ. But the question of timing of the outcomes of these trials is critical. I don't think the American voting public wants all this uncertainty and drama, which is why I'm predicting a landslide election for the Democrat nominee. After that, if he isn't in prison already he will be soon.

Does THAT qualify as gone? For all practical purposes yes. Given his age and health and the catastrophic effect on his ego, he'll most likely die in prison or shortly thereafter.

The party will then gradually return to normal.

Yes there will be some Trump wannabes, just like some tried to assume the Reagan mantle, but failed. (While Reagan & Trump are polar opposites in personality, policy and temperament they were profoundly unique in their ability to communicate)

Trump's popularity runs deep, but it is also be narrow and will narrow more and more as he spends his inevitable time in prison and then death. What's left of his following will shrink more and more into irrelevance every year.

But right now, there's also the question if Biden can hold up through a whole election cycle. Clearly he's going to never agree to a debate which will only fuel more of the talk about his ever growing dementia.

Even though Trump is the ONLY GOP candidate that would lose to Biden, the polling is just close enough to scare the Democrats into making a change. I personally believe that Biden will announce at the convention that he is not going to accept the nomination (under threat by the Party of invoking the 25th Amendment) and at that time endorse Newsom (bypassing Kamala for obvious reasons). There will be a big kerfuffle over it for a few weeks but the media will portray it as sensible solution to an "unexpected" announcement.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Here let me help your lack of understanding by quoting the headline from your linky, with some emphasis:

Florida school districts removed roughly 300 books last school year​

"Removed" isn't "banned." Oopsies.

Ummm lol yes it is.Those books are removed and banned from those schools...

Then there's the UNDENIABLE FACT that the books are still available. See, for example:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Beloved+...ode=qs&sourceid=Mozilla-search&tag=mozilla-20

Which means that the books aren't actually "banned" by anyone.

Which also means you're not only a liar, but an idiot.

lol that you can't seem to grasp what happened, is not my problem carbon water boy....

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You have no idea how wrong you are about the GOP.

Yes he may win the nomination but that is only because the anti Trump half of the party is split.

Im sure you would love to believe that the GOP is just a bunch of Trumpers, but you only lie to yourself when you do so. There is a very strong anti Trump sentiment quite apart from the Mitt Romney wing of the party, but it remains to be seen if the two sides can unite in time under ONE candidate to save the nomination. My guess is they wont.



So what happens?

Well this depends a great deal on the outcome of the 91 indictments. He cant beat them ALL. I honestly believe he's headed to prison with a smaller possibility of plea bargaining his way out of jail by withdrawing from the race. That would be a logical solution but not very likely given Trump's narcissism nor the vengeance in the heart of the Democrat DOJ. But the question of timing of the outcomes of these trials is critical. I don't think the American voting public wants all this uncertainty and drama, which is why I'm predicting a landslide election for the Democrat nominee. After that, if he isn't in prison already he will be soon.

Does THAT qualify as gone? For all practical purposes yes. Given his age and health and the catastrophic effect on his ego, he'll most likely die in prison or shortly thereafter.

The party will then gradually return to normal.

Yes there will be some Trump wannabes, just like some tried to assume the Reagan mantle, but failed. (While Reagan & Trump are polar opposites in personality, policy and temperament they were profoundly unique in their ability to communicate)

Trump's popularity runs deep, but it is also be narrow and will narrow more and more as he spends his inevitable time in prison and then death. What's left of his following will shrink more and more into irrelevance every year.

But right now, there's also the question if Biden can hold up through a whole election cycle. Clearly he's going to never agree to a debate which will only fuel more of the talk about his ever growing dementia.

Even though Trump is the ONLY GOP candidate that would lose to Biden, the polling is just close enough to scare the Democrats into making a change. I personally believe that Biden will announce at the convention that he is not going to accept the nomination (under threat by the Party of invoking the 25th Amendment) and at that time endorse Newsom (bypassing Kamala for obvious reasons). There will be a big kerfuffle over it for a few weeks but the media will portray it as sensible solution to an "unexpected" announcement.

Thank you for actually trying to address the OP. I specified Trump dying to take the issue of anti-Trump conservatives vs. MAGA off the table.

You say "The party will then gradually return to normal", so I have to ask:

What is "normal" for the Republican Party? What policies will the party have once Trump is gone?

 

[YDB95]

What is "normal" for the Republican Party? What policies will the party have once Trump is gone?

Hating taxes and abortion and...that's probably about it.

 

[stxjimmy]

Hating taxes and abortion and...that's probably about it.

And immigrants.

 

[LeatherChaps]

Thank you for actually trying to address the OP. I specified Trump dying to take the issue of anti-Trump conservatives vs. MAGA off the table.

You say "The party will then gradually return to normal", so I have to ask:

What is "normal" for the Republican Party? What policies will the party have once Trump is gone?

Generally more limited government than the Democrats would propose.

Now that Roe has been tossed back to the states (where it Constitutionally belongs as RBG once confirmed) there will be more internal party struggles over that with my guess the results varying by state. Some of the more restrictive laws will be modified to make it easier in instances of life or health of the mother.

Support for Israel will be just as strong if not stronger. Support for Ukraine not as strong.

Stronger border security will be across the board.

There will be unanimous support for cutting the budgets and reducing the debt as a overall issue but with deep divisions on which programs to cut and how much.

A more simplified tax code will be proposed that will help some and not others, but nothing as sweeping as Reagan's early 80's cuts. (added after original post)

So really not a whole lot different than before Trump.

 

[LeatherChaps]

And immigrants.

Border security is no more "hating immigrants, than abortion is "hating babies". Try thinking maturely and see how much more reasonable you become.

 

[jaF0]

^^^ Put a shirt on BB.

 

[LeatherChaps]

That's a pretty obtuse observation but it does speak to your lack of awareness and foresight. The Republican party is in transformation. If Trump is elected and allowed to serve and get out of it alive, the party will be different, bigger, stronger, and more conservative and populist.

The present-day Marxism of the Democrat Party will see it dwindle in strength and appeal to the working people of America. Democrats won't go down without trying to bring the country down with it, but in the end, they will be forced to evolve in the face of new realities. Working people who love their country and their freedom are not going to go gently into the night.

Not only is this simplistic Trumper thinking its also dead wrong. Trump isnt going to get elected.

 

[Bn2f]

Generally more limited government than the Democrats would propose.

Now that Roe has been tossed back to the states (where it Constitutionally belongs as RBG once confirmed) there will be more internal party struggles over that with my guess the results varying by state. Some of the more restrictive laws will be modified to make it easier in instances of life or health of the mother.

Support for Israel will be just as strong if not stronger. Support for Ukraine not as strong.

Stronger border security will be across the board.

There will be unanimous support for cutting the budgets and reducing the debt as a overall issue but with deep divisions on which programs to cut and how much.

So really not a whole lot different than before Trump.

Almost everything you’ve said comes across as rational and well reasoned conservatism except for the fact that your words and hopes for the Republican Party don’t actually line up their past nor current actions.

 

[YDB95]

Border security is no more "hating immigrants, than abortion is "hating babies".

Immigrant bashing is no more "border security" than border security is hating immigrants.

 

[HoldYouDown]

It will either go back to being conservative or continue with his Socialist platform. We'll see.

 

[Bn2f]

Not only is this simplistic Trumper thinking it’s also dead wrong. Trump isnt going to get elected.

But, hey!
If you’re going to come here and take up the unattended space of conservatives calling out trump sycophants - have at it.
I applaud you.

 

[LeatherChaps]

Nobody can predict what happens to the Republican Party when Trump is gone, but the question is equally relevant for the Democratic Party.

It’s utterly amazing that with less than 11 months before Election Day, Trump is the betting odds favorite to win in 2024. People who follow my posts here will recall that I thought the GOP was done with Trump not so long ago.

Yet here he is, leading in nearly all national polls and leading by even greater margins in the most recent battleground states.

Who to thank or blame? Where to start?

Plenty of credit to spread around. Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary and her pals at Fusion GPS, the J6 Committee, overzealous prosecutors, and a compliant pack of lemmings in the corporate media and pundits have made him a martyr. The geniuses that have doubted down on an 81 year old president who the public sees as mentally and physically not up for the job deserve credit as well.

Both parties are a mess right now and the only thing we can say with certainty is that both will look very different in 2028.

I offered an opinion on the future that I think is a reasonable prediction on the future of the GOP, but I agree with much of the rest of this, especially about the part about many viewing the Trump attacks as purely partisan (which I dont btw). I do not however think Trump really has a chance when those indictments start turning into trials and convictions. I just do not think that a majority of the American public wants that kind of chaos and uncertainty.
But they also don't want someone with ever more severe dementia occupying the Oval Office. Nor does the party hierarchy want the inevitable food fight if Biden were to announce now that he's not going to accept the nomination. That's why the only thing that makes sense to me is him waiting for the convention to announce (surprise surprise) that he's not accepting the nomination (after being threatened with a very realistic 25th Amendment call).

 

[LeatherChaps]

But, hey!
If you’re going to come here and take up the unattended space of conservatives calling out trump sycophants - have at it.
I applaud you.

Never confuse the general public with the average Lit member. Contrary to what you might believe or even wish, there is a very strong anti Trump faction in the party... the problem is its just split all to hell.

 

[LeatherChaps]

It will either go back to being conservative or continue with his Socialist platform. We'll see.

"his"?

 

[LeatherChaps]

Immigrant bashing is no more "border security" than border security is hating immigrants.

Tell that to the zealots.

 

[Bn2f]

Never confuse the general public with the average Lit member. Contrary to what you might believe or even wish, there is a very strong anti Trump faction in the party... the problem is its just split all to hell.

I strongly disagree.
The never trumpers, anti whatever you want to call them are not in power, are being led out of congress, and are scared.
Excerpts from Liz Cheyney’s book tells of congressmen lamenting the things they do for “Orange Jesus” and Romney’s book tells of outright fear of trump reprisals.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Contrary to what you might believe or even wish, there is a very strong anti Trump faction in the party... the problem is its just split all to hell.

You forgot the most important part, they are all scared shitless of the Trump supporters. From what I have seen, they may well be correct in their fear of reprisal.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Never confuse the general public with the average Lit member. Contrary to what you might believe or even wish, there is a very strong anti Trump faction in the party... the problem is it’s just split all to hell.

This is a key point. Unlike Lit, The polling firms that are running all these polls are not just surveying Trump loyalists. They try to get representative samples of likely voters. The techniques differ, and some are no doubt more accurate than others, but we’re seeing consistent results across nearly all the most reputable firms in the business.

The irony is the various indictments have actually correlated with Trump’s lead widening. The impact of today’s Colorado ruling will be fascinating to watch.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Tell that to the zealots.

Or the Hispanic Biden voters who are increasingly dissatisfied with the president’s handling of the border crisis.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

You forgot the most important part, they are all scared shitless of the Trump supporters. From what I have seen, they may well be correct in their fear of reprisal.

Also growing percentage of independents and disaffected Biden voters who are giving the president a thumbs down in approval of ratings.!

 

[YDB95]

Tell that to the zealots.

What zealots? The people who think illegals ought to be treated like the human beings they are while their cases are processed? Or who recognize that in a country founded on taking other people's land there is moral ambiguity when it comes to calling anyone an illegal immigrant?

 

[RandyRebecca]

But he didn't do that.

Only because the people who invaded the Capitol didn't get their hands on the congresspeople and messed around instead, while Trump was fighting with secret service personnel who were trying to restrain him. As a result, the congresspeople managed to smuggle themselves out of the building, waited it out, and came back later in the day to certify the 2020 presidential election results. Then they breathed a huge sigh of relief. Trump then was basically banned from social media, as I recall.

If the people who invaded the Capitol had made straight for the congresspeople with a single-mindedness, with intent to harm or worse, Trump calls it a national emergency, and the 2020 presidential election doesn't get certified. Trump really should have been with them, in the background, or even leading the charge (like Caesar did in Rome in 49 BC), but Trump wanted to be back at the White House to do the national emergency bit. The secret service agents were struggling to hold Trump back. They sensed the danger.