What happens to the Republican Party when Donald Trump dies?

[RoryN]

My bet is that there will be a lot of folks who refuse to believe it and he'll gain Elvis is still alive conspiracy theory status.

Agreed...for a little bit, anyhow. He's old.

I think only 60% of MAGAts believe he's immortal.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Thank you for all the on-topic replies. I figure I should take a stab at answering my own question.

I agree that when Trump dies there will be widespread disbelief on the right, and wild conspiracy theories that he was assassinated by the “deep state”.

As for the Republican Party, I don’t think it has a future on the national stage. More and more, it’s just the “white grievance” party. It will still win some local elections and send people to Congress, but we will never see another Republican President.

 

[Bray123]

Recent polls indicate that Trump is gaining substantially with Hispanic and black voters compared to 2020 (and 2020 was an improvement among those groups for Trump compared to 2016). One poll even had Trump at 22% among black voters, which is noteworthy when you consider that every Republican presidential candidate from 1964 onwards has only got between 6-16% of the black vote.

If this 22%, or anywhere near it, were to actually happen in 2024, I think the main reason it happened would be obvious. It would be due to prosecutors going after Trump, and a number of black voters empathizing and sympathizing with Trump's situation.

How many Democrats are actually thinking all these things through properly? The whole situation with Israel (Biden backing Israel strongly, expressing his Zionism etc.) obviously alienates Arab Americans hugely, and in key states like Michigan, yet the Democrats seem to act like it doesn't really matter much, as if the voters will still turn out for them and as if there will be no political price to pay for the Democratic politicians who do this alienation.

Are people that dumb? Maybe they are. Maybe they do sit in their trailers and think, 'Heck that guy used to be such a nice person firing folks on TV, and now he's been found liable for defrauding a pets charity, blocking the renting of apartments to black people, sexual assault, taking money from foreign hostile governments, electoral fraud, threatening witnesses, trying to overturn the constitution, disrespecting the military, the disabled, gays, anyone who might oppose him within the party or elsewhere despite the fact that he used to be a Democrat. He pushed massive tax cuts for millionaires but one day I'll be a millionaire so I'll vote for him. And that's the fault of all those commies over there.'

Personally, I think the support by the US for Israel whilst it's committing genocide is appalling but Trump is hardly supporting the Palestinians either.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Clinton and Obama weren't running against the same opponent they'd already beaten once, or the most controversial president in living memory, never mind both.

That’s my point. Clinton and Obama were very popular. Clinton easily defeated a respected senator and WWII hero. Obama easily defeated a former governor and successful businessman. Biden is no Bill Clinton or Barak Obama. He’s so unpopular he’s behind in the polls against the most controversial candidate in living memory.

 

[Lazaran]

Thank you for all the on-topic replies. I figure I should take a stab at answering my own question.

I agree that when Trump dies there will be widespread disbelief on the right, and wild conspiracy theories that he was assassinated by the “deep state”.

As for the Republican Party, I don’t think it has a future on the national stage. More and more, it’s just the “white grievance” party. It will still win some local elections and send people to Congress, but we will never see another Republican President.

That ^ will only be a future reality if the youth in America really are generally less racist, less homophobic, less sexist, less religious. and less sociopathic.

"republicans" are hard at work indoctrinating large numbers of young people to carry the (police) baton and the (white Christian nationalist) banner.

The future IS riding on the youth of America, but the "progressive" youth seem bound and determined to hand America to Drumpf (again), and then, to whoever follows in the undoubtably bloody "republican" succession.

"Progressive" zealots, like our own “Becky” here on the PB, are so extreme that they ALMOST make a "republican" candidate seem palatable.

The youth vote in the 2024 presidential election will go a long way towards deciding the future of the "republican" party AND the Democratic Party.

I am only cautiously optimistic at this point that the "progressive" youth will meet the moment

 

[Lazaran]

Are people that dumb? Maybe they are. Maybe they do sit in their trailers and think, 'Heck that guy used to be such a nice person firing folks on TV, and now he's been found liable for defrauding a pets charity, blocking the renting of apartments to black people, sexual assault, taking money from foreign hostile governments, electoral fraud, threatening witnesses, trying to overturn the constitution, disrespecting the military, the disabled, gays, anyone who might oppose him within the party or elsewhere despite the fact that he used to be a Democrat. He pushed massive tax cuts for millionaires but one day I'll be a millionaire so I'll vote for him. And that's the fault of all those commies over there.'

Personally, I think the support by the US for Israel whilst it's committing genocide is appalling but Trump is hardly supporting the Palestinians either.

The U.S. is NOT supporting Israel while it’s committing genocide.

The closest thing to an act of genocide happened on October 7th.

The Israeli operation to destroy Hamas as a political and military force is fully justified.

If Israel were committing genocide against the Palestinian people, the body count would be infinitely higher.

If Israel had been committing genocide against the Palestinians for the last 75 years, the Palestinian population in Gaza and the West Bank wouldn’t have INCREASED nearly TENFOLD.

Bullshit narratives are bullshit.

*nods*

 

[Bray123]

The U.S. is NOT supporting Israel while it’s committing genocide.

The closest thing to an act of genocide happened on October 7th.

The Israeli operation to destroy Hamas as a political and military force is fully justified.

If Israel were committing genocide against the Palestinian people, the body count would be infinitely higher.

If Israel had been committing genocide against the Palestinians for the last 75 years, the Palestinian population in Gaza and the West Bank wouldn’t have INCREASED nearly TENFOLD.

Bullshit narratives are bullshit.

*nods*

Despite what the press may have told you, there was never any attempt by the Palestinians to eliminate the state of Israel; certainly not on October 7th.

Genocide was defined by the UN as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.

The invasion of Gaza and systematic killing of all young males encountered there (also any old people, babies and females who happen to be in the way) is not aimed in any way at supporting any right of a Palestinian state to exist. What used to be an entire country is now an area not much short of the area of Brooklyn with a similar population (well it would have been except that some 20K people have been killed already) but without any fuel or food or water or with hardly any buildings still intact.

No, the genocide was certainly not inflicted by the Palestinians upon Israel.

 

[Lazaran]

The closest thing to an act of genocide happened on October

Despite what the press may have told you, there was never any attempt by the Palestinians to eliminate the state of Israel; certainly not on October 7th.

Genocide was defined by the UN as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.

The invasion of Gaza and systematic killing of all young males encountered there (also any old people, babies and females who happen to be in the way) is not aimed in any way at supporting any right of a Palestinian state to exist. What used to be an entire country is now an area not much short of the area of Brooklyn with a similar population (well it would have been except that some 20K people have been killed already) but without any fuel or food or water or with hardly any buildings still intact.

No, the genocide was certainly not inflicted by the Palestinians upon Israel.

The operative phrase in my comment was - “The CLOSEST thing to genocide”. - Ergo, I didn’t say October 7th WAS an act of genocide. - Although, the UN definition you provided for genocide can certainly (definitely) be applied to October 7th, albeit on a small scale. I encourage you to re-read the definition, while simultaneously considering the heinous acts perpetrated by the Hamas animals on October 7th. - Pretty genocide-y if you ask me.



The rest of my comment also stands.

*nods*

 

[Rightguide]

A danger in the sense that Trump becomes America's Caesar. He almost did it on January 6 2021. If congresspeople had been harmed that day (or worse) before the 2020 presidential election results had been certified, Trump could have declared a national emergency because of the scenes on Capitol Hill and stayed in power until new elections were called. Had this happened, the 2020 presidential election results would never have been certified, as if they had never really happened.

I don't think a lot of people grasp just how close a coup came to actually happening that day.

I agree that Biden is awful. I've always been angry at his warmongering and the resulting inflation, and how Democrats who never stopped moaning about Trump always seem to give Biden a free pass, even for ethnic cleansing and potential genocide in Gaza. As Biden supports Israel in that, Democrats over here talk of Trump being a greater evil. Greater than genocide?

Trump did nothing as President to warrant a comparison to a Roman Caesar. He did not abuse his power. You'd have to look back at Obama for a more compelling comparison.

 

[Rightguide]

Thank you for all the on-topic replies. I figure I should take a stab at answering my own question.

I agree that when Trump dies there will be widespread disbelief on the right, and wild conspiracy theories that he was assassinated by the “deep state”.

As for the Republican Party, I don’t think it has a future on the national stage. More and more, it’s just the “white grievance” party. It will still win some local elections and send people to Congress, but we will never see another Republican President.

The Deep State killed JFK.

 

[HisArpy]

Thank you for all the on-topic replies. I figure I should take a stab at answering my own question.

I agree that when Trump dies there will be widespread disbelief on the right, and wild conspiracy theories that he was assassinated by the “deep state”.

As for the Republican Party, I don’t think it has a future on the national stage. More and more, it’s just the “white grievance” party. It will still win some local elections and send people to Congress, but we will never see another Republican President.

In the end the D's will win the game because there are more of them than there are conservatives. That is the only reason.

Your nutball ideas will not survive no matter how much you think they will. Pushing the stupid agenda of hate everything and everyone will only spawn a new conservative party out of dissatisfied D's who understand that the DNC has gone from a political opposition party, to a party of fringe lunatics bent on revenge, to a mob of hate filled violent degenerates, and has now sunk even lower into a morass of perverts.

That is what your precious Democrat party has become and will continue to be. Eventually the US will burn as Rome burned and for the same reasons. It is inevitable.

And the best part is, it doesn't have a damned thing to do with Donald Trump.

 

[Lazaran]

In the end the D's will win the game because there are more of them than there are conservatives. That is the only reason.

Your nutball ideas will not survive no matter how much you think they will. Pushing the stupid agenda of hate everything and everyone will only spawn a new conservative party out of dissatisfied D's who understand that the DNC has gone from a political opposition party, to a party of fringe lunatics bent on revenge, to a mob of hate filled violent degenerates, and has now sunk even lower into a morass of perverts.

That is what your precious Democrat party has become and will continue to be. Eventually the US will burn as Rome burned and for the same reasons. It is inevitable.

And the best part is, it doesn't have a damned thing to do with Donald Trump.

^
Writes incest porn and calls others perverts.

Fucking Derpocrite.



Derpy

 

[Rightguide]

In the end the D's will win the game because there are more of them than there are conservatives. That is the only reason.

Your nutball ideas will not survive no matter how much you think they will. Pushing the stupid agenda of hate everything and everyone will only spawn a new conservative party out of dissatisfied D's who understand that the DNC has gone from a political opposition party, to a party of fringe lunatics bent on revenge, to a mob of hate filled violent degenerates, and has now sunk even lower into a morass of perverts.

That is what your precious Democrat party has become and will continue to be. Eventually the US will burn as Rome burned and for the same reasons. It is inevitable.

And the best part is, it doesn't have a damned thing to do with Donald Trump.

Yep, two Democrats properly illustrating the impact of their horrendous policies on the American people by literally butt fucking in the Senate hearing room is taking their duty to inform the public a bit too far. As did Joe Biden when he signed off on the CPUSA dancing fag troupe performing at the White House Christmas Special.

 

[icanhelp1]

Yep, two Democrats properly illustrating the impact of their horrendous policies on the American people by literally butt fucking in the Senate hearing room is taking their duty to inform the public a bit too far. As did Joe Biden when he signed off on the CPUSA dancing fag troupe performing at the White House Christmas Special.

Senator Durbin blocking the Epstein list, wonder why?

 

[Rightguide]

Senator Durbin blocking the Epstein list, wonder why?

Maybe he's either on it or it contains more Democrats than Republicans.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

In the end the D's will win the game because there are more of them than there are conservatives. That is the only reason.

Your nutball ideas will not survive no matter how much you think they will. Pushing the stupid agenda of hate everything and everyone will only spawn a new conservative party out of dissatisfied D's who understand that the DNC has gone from a political opposition party, to a party of fringe lunatics bent on revenge, to a mob of hate filled violent degenerates, and has now sunk even lower into a morass of perverts.

That is what your precious Democrat party has become and will continue to be. Eventually the US will burn as Rome burned and for the same reasons. It is inevitable.

And the best part is, it doesn't have a damned thing to do with Donald Trump.

You still haven't said you think will happen to the Republican Party after Trump dies. Yes, the number of Republicans is dwindling. But does the party revive itself with a new policy direction, or go the way of the Whigs?

 

[HisArpy]

You still haven't said you think will happen to the Republican Party after Trump dies. Yes, the number of Republicans is dwindling. But does the party revive itself with a new policy direction, or go the way of the Whigs?

This is just more of your nonsense and doesn't deserve a response otherwise.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The trend favors independents. Gallup polling shows that in 2004, adults who identified as Democrats represented 35%, Republicans 33%, and independents at 31%. Today the GOP and Democrats are tied at 25%, with adults who identify as independent represent a whopping 49%.

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/17/poll-americans-independent-republican-democrat

 

[Fuzzy1975]

This is just more of your nonsense and doesn't deserve a response otherwise.

lol too chicken shit to answer, that's all.

 

[YDB95]

That’s my point. Clinton and Obama were very popular. Clinton easily defeated a respected senator and WWII hero. Obama easily defeated a former governor and successful businessman. Biden is no Bill Clinton or Barak Obama. He’s so unpopular he’s behind in the polls against the most controversial candidate in living memory.

For the moment. Remember: Trump's fans are for all intents and purposes a cult. They're with him no matter what, and they're always tuned in to him. Most voters aren't really paying attention yet, plus they've had three years to forget what an embarrassment Trump was to the country. When the campaign is in full swing and he's out there making an ass of himself day in and day out and they can't ignore it, Biden will recover. Count on it.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Clinton and Obama won second terms handily, and both were treated as heroes at Democratic conventions as they were departing.

Yes, but it was the 1990s with Clinton. There was a lot of optimism in the future during the 1990s alongside an economic boom and capitalist talk of "the end of history". It was very different from today, but even back in the 1990s there were people in parts of the country who resented Clinton a lot. As time went on, this grew, especially after the 2008 crash. And who was Obama's opponent in 2012? Mitt Romney, who along with being very rich like virtually all big presidential candidates, came across as a snob who simply had no clue about people's lives.

Trump lost his bid for a second term

He did, but it was very unusual in the sense that Trump in 2020 (when he lost) got well over 11 million more votes than he did in 2016 (when he won). And this after acting like a crazed maniac during the 2020 year. He also gained more in 2020 compared to 2016 among white women (just about), black men, black women, hispanic men and hispanic women. Trump actually did worse in 2020 than in 2016 among white men while gaining in those other groups that I mentioned.

Most other presidents who lost re-election attempts, like George H.W. Bush in 1992, Jimmy Carter in 1980 or Herbert Hoover in 1932, are pretty much blown out when they try for a second term, compared to the elections before that they won (1988, 1976, 1928). Trump's situation has been very different.

and Biden is way behind where Clinton and Obama stood 11 months ahead of their reelection bids. This election looks a lot more like 1980 and 1992 than the elections of 1996 and 2008.

We shall see how it goes.

Are people that dumb? Maybe they are. Maybe they do sit in their trailers and think, 'Heck that guy used to be such a nice person firing folks on TV, and now he's been found liable for defrauding a pets charity, blocking the renting of apartments to black people, sexual assault, taking money from foreign hostile governments, electoral fraud, threatening witnesses, trying to overturn the constitution, disrespecting the military, the disabled, gays, anyone who might oppose him within the party or elsewhere despite the fact that he used to be a Democrat. He pushed massive tax cuts for millionaires but one day I'll be a millionaire so I'll vote for him. And that's the fault of all those commies over there.'

Personally, I think the support by the US for Israel whilst it's committing genocide is appalling but Trump is hardly supporting the Palestinians either.

It's not really about them being dumb though, but that they want to burn the house down on an establishment that has failed them over a long period of time. A "plague on all your houses" attitude, "stick it to the libs/experts/swamp". That's why they are either not going to care about, or even support, what happened on January 6 2021. They don't like the current system.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Trump did nothing as President to warrant a comparison to a Roman Caesar.

January 6 2021. I explained the whole process of how Trump could have become America's Caesar that day, and how close it was to happening. Had congresspeople been harmed or worse that day before the 2020 presidential election results had been certified, Trump could have declared a national emergency and stayed in power until new elections. It would have been as if the 2020 election results had never happened, never official.

If he gets back into power, there will be other attempts most likely, especially so if he's in future legal trouble.

He did not abuse his power. You'd have to look back at Obama for a more compelling comparison.

Obama did not try a coup in the US.

Rumor has it that Obama let Hillary Clinton, along with the French and British, lead him on with the Libya disaster, which reduced one of the most stable countries in Africa under Colonel Gaddafi into a tribal warzone ever since that has been torn apart by rival governments and militias. Hillary made a famous boast about Gaddafi "We came, we saw, he died".

Biden will recover. Count on it.

How though? Biden is currently embroiled in wars in Ukraine and Israel, the Democratic coalition from 2020 has been damaged by the latter (especially among Arab Americans and young people in general), and he only won in 2020 by pretty small margins in a number of swing states, most of which Biden currently trails in the polls (plus another state like Nevada that wasn't really talked about that way in 2020). On top of that, there's matters like the economy and inflation, and Biden is now the incumbent and Trump the outsider again.

We have to consider what effects the third party candidates are going to have on the election result. I believe recent polls suggested that Biden loses more than Trump if RFK Jr., Stein and West are all candidates.

How does Biden recover from this enough to win the key states that won him the election in 2020, with the Democratic coalition?

Below is the number of votes that Biden won by over Trump in the closest states that Biden won in 2020:
Arizona: 10,457 votes (out of 3,387,326 votes cast)
Wisconsin: 20,682 votes (out of 3,298,041 votes cast)
Georgia: 11,779 votes (out of 4,999,960 votes cast)
Pennsylvania: 80,555 votes (out of 6,936,976 votes cast)
Nevada: 33,596 votes (out of 1,405,376 votes cast)
Michigan: 154,188 votes (out of 5,539,302 votes cast)

And Michigan is where Biden would be hurt most if he loses Arab American support.

 

[RandyRebecca]

If you want to talk about Biden and the Democrats, you should start a thread about that. This thread is about what happens to the Republican Party when Donald Trump dies.

I have answered that question in my first post in this thread:

"If Trump died right now, you mean? They'd just carry on like they are with the same sort of divisive culture war politics, searching for a new kind of figurehead and leader at the same time. It might even be worse with Trump dead, causing an intensified fight and civil war within the party and establishment at large. There would be no going back to the Romney/McCain/Bush era as some people naively think if Trump is removed from politics or from life itself. It's more likely to accelerate the crisis further."

 

[coati]

Yep, two Democrats properly illustrating the impact of their horrendous policies on the American people by literally butt fucking in the Senate hearing room is taking their duty to inform the public a bit too far. As did Joe Biden when he signed off on the CPUSA dancing fag troupe performing at the White House Christmas Special.

^^^ mental health alert.

 

[dkovic77]

^^^ mental health alert.

This is usually when you make sure the guns are locked away, this is when those “accidental” shooting are covered on the local news.

@Rightguide hope you are safe- you are sounding rather erratic! And if not, at least don’t hurt anyone else.