The future is dense, walkable cities.

You must be talking about a very long time-horizon.

In the sunny southwestern portion of the USA, rural and suburban buildings will be able to support enough photovoltaic panels to fuel cars, and battery technology will continue to change and improve. By 2040, electric cars will be the norm for rural and suburban people, and gas powered vehicles will be in the expensive minority. Grid electricity will be much more expensive, so cities will need much more mass transit.

I've been to a number of cities in the USA and Europe where I drove my car to a mass transit station on the outskirts, parked, and then used mass transit for all my city business. I do not see the suburbs disappearing in the next century unless large-scale nuclear war breaks out or a large meteor hits the earth.
I agree with this vision for a possible future. The suburbs will hang on for a while as the city cores get denser and more walkable. Private cars will be luxuries rather than the necessities they are now. Maybe electric will eventually win out over gasoline, but that's for the free market to decide. Public policy should focus on providing transit for the masses.
 
I look at urbanization as blight. People and buildings packed together. Gangs, homelessness, crime, filth, pollution, make that life a definite NO for me.
You sound pretty insular. Too much of the right-wing talking points and not enough enjoyment of the culture and vibrancy that many of our cities have to offer.
 
In my area in the eastern woodlands, the climate is too cloudy for solar. Some modestly sized windmills may be worth building in some locations, where there are fewer trees. But home heating can be solved with a woodburning stove and an ax. Some hydro projects could be built, but damming the rivers would be a mistake. We will need the rivers as water roads when we can't afford so much road maintenance, and don't have the oil to make so much blacktop.
 
Yes. Electric cars aren’t a long-term solution. They’re just a futile attempt to preserve 20th century car culture for a little longer in a world that can no longer afford it.

The private car is going away unless you live way out in the country. Suburbs filled with single-family homes will whither as a consequence.
Nonsense. The desire to live in apartments packed together likes chickens in multi-story egg factories takes a special type of submissive obedience that is culturally un-American. This country was founded, and settled, by people wanting their own piece of land and home. Not essentially prison cells that they hold the key to.
 
I agree with this vision for a possible future. The suburbs will hang on for a while as the city cores get denser and more walkable. Private cars will be luxuries rather than the necessities they are now. Maybe electric will eventually win out over gasoline, but that's for the free market to decide. Public policy should focus on providing transit for the masses.
We've already turned the corner and are heading away from the gasoline era. By 2040, there will be far fewer gasoline stations. Why the hell would consumers continue to pay for that when they can harvest thousands of watts on a typical rooftop? My sunbelt state is already scrambling to figure out how to fund road maintenance because of the reductions in gas tax revenue. They want to start maintaining roads with car registration and sale fees.

There is a whole changing world happening outside of the cities. I can't raise enough hay for transportation horses, but I can affordably set up a solar array. Besides, horses don't provide air conditioning during the summer.

The right-wing Luddites on Lit are clinging to the past, as usual. Don't pay any attention to them-- look at what the major vehicle manufacturers are already doing in the USA, China, and Europe.
 
In my area in the eastern woodlands, the climate is too cloudy for solar. Some modestly sized windmills may be worth building in some locations, where there are fewer trees. But home heating can be solved with a woodburning stove and an ax. Some hydro projects could be built, but damming the rivers would be a mistake. We will need the rivers as water roads when we can't afford so much road maintenance, and don't have the oil to make so much blacktop.
Most cities and a lot of other areas will be very grid-dependent. That's why we need to take the routing decisions away from the corporate scam artists and implement smarter grid planning.
 
Nonsense. The desire to live in apartments packed together likes chickens in multi-story egg factories takes a special type of submissive obedience that is culturally un-American. This country was founded, and settled, by people wanting their own piece of land and home. Not essentially prison cells that they hold the key to.
Most Americans already live in big cities. The city of Los Angeles alone has 7x the population of the entire state of Wyoming.
 
You sound pretty insular. Too much of the right-wing talking points and not enough enjoyment of the culture and vibrancy that many of our cities have to offer.
Oh I used to love to visit places like Chicago for the Field Museum, the Science and Industry Museum, the Shed Aquarium, the Planetarium, Art Institute, Navy Pier, and Wrigley Field. Washington DC is another amazing place with far too many place of interest to mention. As well as many other cities across the country. The attractions are still there but all those cities are in decline and crime is up. I've been there, seen what I wanted to see, and have no need to go back and certainly would not want to live there.

I don't try to encourage city dwellers to move to the country, in fact we really don't want you here, because most often you bring the negative elements of city life when you come. Its funny how hard you city dwellers try to convince people like me that I should embrace city life. Who are you really trying to convince how great it is me or yourself?
 
We've already turned the corner and are heading away from the gasoline era. By 2040, there will be far fewer gasoline stations. Why the hell would consumers continue to pay for that when they can harvest thousands of watts on a typical rooftop? My sunbelt state is already scrambling to figure out how to fund road maintenance because of the reductions in gas tax revenue. They want to start maintaining roads with car registration and sale fees.

There is a whole changing world happening outside of the cities. I can't raise enough hay for transportation horses, but I can affordably set up a solar array. Besides, horses don't provide air conditioning during the summer.

The right-wing Luddites on Lit are clinging to the past, as usual. Don't pay any attention to them-- look at what the major vehicle manufacturers are already doing in the USA, China, and Europe.
Gasoline and diesel will be around well into the foreseeable future. There are far too many ICE vehicles on the road and still being produced for the source of their fuel to dry up. Add to that the hobbyist with antique vehicles and the need doesn't dry up. As long as the oil companies can make money on it gas and diesel will survive.

The Amish where I used to live in Wisconsin get by with horses for every day transport, including into town to shop. No A/C no heat. It gets hot in Wisconsin as well as cold as hell and they do it.
 
Most Americans already live in big cities. The city of Los Angeles alone has 7x the population of the entire state of Wyoming.
Hurray for them. My bet is Wyoming is perfectly happy with their lesser population and more square miles per person. Plus they probably don't have homeless encampments and people shitting on the sidewalk.
 
Its funny how hard you city dwellers try to convince people like me that I should embrace city life. Who are you really trying to convince how great it is me or yourself?
Actually, nobody's trying to convince a midwestern right-winger like you of moving anywhere. Get over yourself.
 
Hurray for them. My bet is Wyoming is perfectly happy with their lesser population and more square miles per person. Plus they probably don't have homeless encampments and people shitting on the sidewalk.
Well duh, they don’t have sidewalks.
 
Actually, nobody's trying to convince a midwestern right-winger like you of moving anywhere. Get over yourself.
Actually as I have stated several times, try paying attention, I live in Tennessee. The only people that always call me a right winger is you wacko libs on here. Again if you paid attention called me a right winger is only about maybe half right. Some of my political stances lean a bit more to the left.

All of you sound like hard core car salesman pushing the glory of living in self imposed city dwelling imprisonment. If that's what YOU want rock on. There are millions jut like me that will never choose that life.

The Giligan's Island theme song seems to apply to your wishes:

No phone, no lights, no motor car,
not a single luxury,
Like Robinson Crusoe,
It's primitive as can be.
 
Actually as I have stated several times, try paying attention, I live in Tennessee. The only people that always call me a right winger is you wacko libs on here. Again if you paid attention called me a right winger is only about maybe half right. Some of my political stances lean a bit more to the left.

All of you sound like hard core car salesman pushing the glory of living in self imposed city dwelling imprisonment. If that's what YOU want rock on. There are millions jut like me that will never choose that life.

The Giligan's Island theme song seems to apply to your wishes:

No phone, no lights, no motor car,
not a single luxury,
Like Robinson Crusoe,
It's primitive as can be.
Then why are you posting to a thread about urban design?
 
THIS is insane!!!


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Why would anyone live like that? You know those houses are several hundred thousand dollars and you can't even hardly walk between them.
I have seen some well built large older houses on small lots in urban locations. I might eventually have a room or apartment in such a house. That would be better than an apartment in a huge block with a corporate landlord. Those newer houses are probably built to lower standards with cheaper materials. The most obvious flaw is the dead end street, commonly called a lollipop street, which increases travel distance for many trips and puts more traffic on the connecting streets and main roads.
 
High density housing in urban centers with decent public transportation works well for people who enjoy that lifestyle. But for many, the American Dream is to own a single family home with a yard and the proverbial “white picket fence.” Demand for that lifestyle is why so many are willing to endure long commutes to and from work as a trade off for a single family house they can afford. The post-Covid remote work model is making it easier for many to realize their dreams of affordable suburban housing.
 
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