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TrailerHitch said:
Its funny how hard you city dwellers try to convince people like me that I should embrace city life. Who are you really trying to convince how great it is me or yourself?
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Actually, nobody's trying to convince a midwestern right-winger like you of moving anywhere. Get over yourself.
 
TrailerHitch said:
Hurray for them. My bet is Wyoming is perfectly happy with their lesser population and more square miles per person. Plus they probably don't have homeless encampments and people shitting on the sidewalk.
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Well duh, they don’t have sidewalks.
 
coati said:
Actually, nobody's trying to convince a midwestern right-winger like you of moving anywhere. Get over yourself.
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Actually as I have stated several times, try paying attention, I live in Tennessee. The only people that always call me a right winger is you wacko libs on here. Again if you paid attention called me a right winger is only about maybe half right. Some of my political stances lean a bit more to the left.

All of you sound like hard core car salesman pushing the glory of living in self imposed city dwelling imprisonment. If that's what YOU want rock on. There are millions jut like me that will never choose that life.

The Giligan's Island theme song seems to apply to your wishes:

No phone, no lights, no motor car,
not a single luxury,
Like Robinson Crusoe,
It's primitive as can be.
 
TrailerHitch said:
Actually as I have stated several times, try paying attention, I live in Tennessee. The only people that always call me a right winger is you wacko libs on here. Again if you paid attention called me a right winger is only about maybe half right. Some of my political stances lean a bit more to the left.

All of you sound like hard core car salesman pushing the glory of living in self imposed city dwelling imprisonment. If that's what YOU want rock on. There are millions jut like me that will never choose that life.

The Giligan's Island theme song seems to apply to your wishes:

No phone, no lights, no motor car,
not a single luxury,
Like Robinson Crusoe,
It's primitive as can be.
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Then why are you posting to a thread about urban design?
 
High density housing in urban centers with decent public transportation works well for people who enjoy that lifestyle. But for many, the American Dream is to own a single family home with a yard and the proverbial “white picket fence.” Demand for that lifestyle is why so many are willing to endure long commutes to and from work as a trade off for a single family house they can afford. The post-Covid remote work model is making it easier for many to realize their dreams of affordable suburban housing.
 
I can tell you there is a housing boom in the rural here in Tennessee. People buying anywhere from 3 to 20 acres and building a single family house on it, usually with a pole barn to store their toys. You know a camper trailer, an RV, ATVs, tractors, and occasionally a boat. AND before you make some redneck comment many of these homesteaders are coming from your blue states like Illinois, New York, and California. They all want their very own little slice of rural paradise. These people experienced your urban wonderlands and no longer wanted any part of it.
 
About 80 percent of America lives in an urban population center, according to the US Census. They predict continual and steady growth (as a percentage of population) for the foreseeable future. The benefits of urban living simply outstrip the negatives, especially in terms of goods and services available. Hence the ongoing discussions as to what makes good, workable, cities, such as the 15 minute model.

I understand the allure of living in a more rural, even an extremely rural, setting, having grown up in rural Nebraska. But, I also understand the allures of urban living (since that is where I have resided for the last 30+ years). If you're a rural person, and you love that lifestyle, more power to you. The population trend is moving away from you, slowly but surely. You're free to read about the death of small towns - it's ongoing, painful, and well documented.

If you live in a rural setting and you're happy there - why do you care about Urban Planning, since it will have minimal impacts on you?
 
Paul_Chance said:
About 80 percent of America lives in an urban population center, according to the US Census. They predict continual and steady growth (as a percentage of population) for the foreseeable future. The benefits of urban living simply outstrip the negatives, especially in terms of goods and services available. Hence the ongoing discussions as to what makes good, workable, cities, such as the 15 minute model.

I understand the allure of living in a more rural, even an extremely rural, setting, having grown up in rural Nebraska. But, I also understand the allures of urban living (since that is where I have resided for the last 30+ years). If you're a rural person, and you love that lifestyle, more power to you. The population trend is moving away from you, slowly but surely. You're free to read about the death of small towns - it's ongoing, painful, and well documented.

If you live in a rural setting and you're happy there - why do you care about Urban Planning, since it will have minimal impacts on you?
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Exactly!

Cities should be designed and governed to make them nice for the people who actually live in them, not to accommodate the desires of commuters or tourists who drive in from the countryside.
 
Paul_Chance said:
About 80 percent of America lives in an urban population center, according to the US Census. They predict continual and steady growth (as a percentage of population) for the foreseeable future. The benefits of urban living simply outstrip the negatives, especially in terms of goods and services available. Hence the ongoing discussions as to what makes good, workable, cities, such as the 15 minute model.

I understand the allure of living in a more rural, even an extremely rural, setting, having grown up in rural Nebraska. But, I also understand the allures of urban living (since that is where I have resided for the last 30+ years). If you're a rural person, and you love that lifestyle, more power to you. The population trend is moving away from you, slowly but surely. You're free to read about the death of small towns - it's ongoing, painful, and well documented.

If you live in a rural setting and you're happy there - why do you care about Urban Planning, since it will have minimal impacts on you?
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If you like urban living why do you care about rural living? Where I live, and in fact for the entire state of Tennessee, we are seeing people leaving urban areas in other states and relocating here. Is it an anomaly or a trend? I can't say for sure, but the pace of this has increased over the 3 years I have lived here. I lived in a rural community in Wisconsin too so the change for me was little more than geographic, no lifestyle change.
 
BrightShinyGirl said:
Exactly!

Cities should be designed and governed to make them nice for the people who actually live in them, not to accommodate the desires of commuters or tourists who drive in from the countryside.
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Fine by me if you don't want our tourist dollars. I'd rather go wander a state park that a shit covered city street anyways!
 
TrailerHitch said:
I can tell you there is a housing boom in the rural here in Tennessee. People buying anywhere from 3 to 20 acres and building a single family house on it, usually with a pole barn to store their toys. You know a camper trailer, an RV, ATVs, tractors, and occasionally a boat. AND before you make some redneck comment many of these homesteaders are coming from your blue states like Illinois, New York, and California. They all want their very own little slice of rural paradise. These people experienced your urban wonderlands and no longer wanted any part of it.
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The Californians I’ve seen move to your area did it because they could sell their expensive CA homes and retire with acreage in your area.

Yeah, rural living is nice, but unless you don’t need to work or can telecommute, your work options are limited.
 
AlexBailey said:
The Californians I’ve seen move to your area did it because they could sell their expensive CA homes and retire with acreage in your area.

Yeah, rural living is nice, but unless you don’t need to work or can telecommute, your work options are limited.
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I don't disagree. Although we downsized from 16 acres in Wisconsin to 6 acres but we have a much nicer house here.


Nonsense I live within 30 minutes of 2 smaller cities with all kinds of employment opportunities from sales to manufacturing. I live 40 minutes from a larger city with even more employment opportunities. All three communities have hospitals and 2 have colleges. So the opportunities are there if you want to work and a half hour or 40 minutes is less than some commutes for city dwellers.
 
TrailerHitch said:
Nonsense I live within 30 minutes of 2 smaller cities with all kinds of employment opportunities from sales to manufacturing. I live 40 minutes from a larger city with even more employment opportunities. All three communities have hospitals and 2 have colleges. So the opportunities are there if you want to work and a half hour or 40 minutes is less than some commutes for city dwellers.
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I don’t know why you’re so concerned about the 15 minute city idea, no one is going to force you out of the woods except you own health some day. Rural living can be hard on old folks unless they have good family and a strong support network.

I know four rural widows who just recently lost their husbands, some are doing much better than others, but they’re all selling and moving to places with more local resources.

That 30 minutes is a short commute but it’s still an hour a day out of your life, plus all the related expenses. Imagine if you could walk or bike or bus to work and back in 15 minutes or less. Being physically active rather than ‘luxuriating’ in the driver’s seat… Even if it’s not your cup of tea it’s easy to see how it could be beneficial for the health of a community.

I understand that it’s not for you, enjoy your path.



TrailerHitch said:
I don't disagree. Although we downsized from 16 acres in Wisconsin to 6 acres but we have a much nicer house here.


Nonsense I live within 30 minutes of 2 smaller cities with all kinds of employment opportunities from sales to manufacturing. I live 40 minutes from a larger city with even more employment opportunities. All three communities have hospitals and 2 have colleges. So the opportunities are there if you want to work and a half hour or 40 minutes is less than some commutes for city dwellers.
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I don’t know why you’re so concerned about the 15 minute city idea, no one is going to force you out of the woods except you own health some day. Rural living can be hard on old folks unless they have good family and a strong support network.

I know four rural widows who just recently lost their husbands, some are doing much better than others, but they’re all selling and moving to places with more local resources.

That 30 minute commute is still an hour a day out of your life, plus all the related expenses.


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BrightShinyGirl said:
Most Americans already live in big cities.
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Not really. Just under 50 million people live in the 50 biggest US cities. The USA's total population at the moment is around 333 million or thereabouts.

So, around 283 million people in the US either live in cities that are outside the top 50 cities in population, or in towns, suburbs or rural areas. Smaller cities and towns/suburbs are going to have a certain mixture of the big city and rural mentalities.

BrightShinyGirl said:
The city of Los Angeles alone has 7x the population of the entire state of Wyoming.
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True, but Wyoming is the state with the lowest population in the country, while California has the highest population of any state in the country.
 
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Even within the primarily rural states the growth is happening in the urban centers (the larger towns or smaller cities on the growth curve). It's many of these future urban areas that are considering and planning for the city they want to live in. I'd say it is those nascent urban centers where the planning is even more important because they've got a clearer path forward, as opposed to the established urban centers, who are faced with the daunting task of "remodeling" their cities.

And yes, there are certainly people moving in and out of the cities, and there are certainly cities that are shrinking, but the overall trend is toward the urban environments per the US Census. Even where I grew up (and I still have family), many of the family farms and ranches - no one actually lives on the farm or ranch. They've moved, steadily, into the local towns and cities and have become commuter farmers or ranchers.

One of the great things about America, assuming you can afford it, is our wonderful ability to relocate in search of our own version of the American Dream, however we see it. As individuals, we each make those choices. Don't like big city life, or don't like the way your big city is going - you're free to either try and change the city (hence the 15 minute cities approach), or pull up stakes, or ride the wave and accept the uncertainty of the future. leaving the urban planning and development to those who are interested (and quite often have financial interests in the paths taken, since in most cities the developer class speaks with an outside voice, since they're the ones bringing in the private equity).
 
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AlexBailey said:
I don’t know why you’re so concerned about the 15 minute city idea, no one is going to force you out of the woods except you own health some day. Rural living can be hard on old folks unless they have good family and a strong support network.

I know four rural widows who just recently lost their husbands, some are doing much better than others, but they’re all selling and moving to places with more local resources.

That 30 minutes is a short commute but it’s still an hour a day out of your life, plus all the related expenses. Imagine if you could walk or bike or bus to work and back in 15 minutes or less. Being physically active rather than ‘luxuriating’ in the driver’s seat… Even if it’s not your cup of tea it’s easy to see how it could be beneficial for the health of a community.

I understand that it’s not for you, enjoy your path.







I don’t know why you’re so concerned about the 15 minute city idea, no one is going to force you out of the woods except you own health some day. Rural living can be hard on old folks unless they have good family and a strong support network.

I know four rural widows who just recently lost their husbands, some are doing much better than others, but they’re all selling and moving to places with more local resources.

That 30 minute commute is still an hour a day out of your life, plus all the related expenses.


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Honestly if the 15 minute city plan keeps more of you urbanites in the city then good for it. Too many times city dwellers leave the city, buy land build some fucking ugly monstrosity out here in the rural and then do nothing but bitch about not having city services and having to drive to do anything. HEY DUMB ASS, it ain't called rural living for nothing. If you want city service live in the city and leave rural life alone.

So why is a 30 minute commute for me different than a 30 minute commute on a train or bus? Other than means of transport the time is the same. I prefer being alone in my vehicle listening to my music and not sharing my space with someone I don't know that may or may not smell like a goat! LOL
 
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