About Our Current Heat Wave

[VinnyVeritas]

This topic, again, *groan*

It always amuses me that when weather does not conform to GlowBall Warning, I t means nothing, because it's just weather and GlowBall Warning is a long-term type of thing, centuries, millennia, you name it but when you have aberrant weather, well, then there's your proof of GlowBall Warning unless you don't "science..."

 

[ll74]

Good read.

Atmospherics water temp increased because the emissions from cruise ships has been regulated to stop emitting particles into the atmosphere..once they did, the suns rays were able to oenetrate

 

[Chobham]

Did you read the papers linked in the article? We're not talking about the troposphere, we're talking about the stratosphere. Big difference.

 

[ll74]

Did you read the papers linked in the article? We're not talking about the troposphere, we're talking about the stratosphere. Big difference.

We're talking about water temp being higher resulting in increased water vapor.

 

[Chobham]

We're talking about water temp being higher resulting in increased water vapor.

No we fucking aren't, you are. The injection of all that water vapor into the stratosphere preceded the overall warming effect we observed after the fact.

 

[ll74]

No we fucking aren't, you are. The injection of all that water vapor into the stratosphere preceded the overall warming effect we observed after the fact.

Yes, volcanoes increase global temperature. That doesn't negate human impact on global temperature due to CO2 emissions. Sorry

 

[Rightguide]

Why do you keep doing this to yourself? Use credible sources. Unless of course it's for sport and not meant to be taken seriously.

Did you see the link to NASA? That's right clown, so put on your baggy pants and big red nose and take bow.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

I'm not sure AJ, Assmeal, nor Rightguide read the NASA link, either.

In contrast, the Tonga volcano didn’t inject large amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere, and the huge amounts of water vapor from the eruption may have a small, temporary warming effect, since water vapor traps heat. The effect would dissipate when the extra water vapor cycles out of the stratosphere and would not be enough to noticeably exacerbate climate change effects.

Oops.

 

[jomar]

Did you see the link to NASA? That's right clown, so put on your baggy pants and big red nose and take bow.

See the post below. And you of all people here have no room to be calling anyone a clown.

I'm not sure AJ, Assmeal, nor Rightguide read the NASA link, either.

In contrast, the Tonga volcano didn’t inject large amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere, and the huge amounts of water vapor from the eruption may have a small, temporary warming effect, since water vapor traps heat. The effect would dissipate when the extra water vapor cycles out of the stratosphere and would not be enough to noticeably exacerbate climate change effects.

Oops.

He never gets it right. And he wonders why everyone blows off his peg the needle rwcj links.

 

[Rightguide]

See the post below. And you of all people here have no room to be calling anyone a clown.


He never gets it right. And he wonders why everyone blows off his peg the needle rwcj links.

Did you see the link, clown? Yeah, that's the source the story is based on. You should learn how to read before you start shooting off your mouth about credible sources. You should work on your own lack of credibility as well, that goes for Von Neutered as well.

 

[Sean Renaud]

While our current heat wave is about El Nino and as much as I hate rain I predict next year is gonna be bad for me. That said do I really need to explain evaporation? Higher heat, more evaporation, more vapors. I mean I'm sure you've seen rain not to mention the oceans which maybe you've never seen. It sometimes shocks me hw people have never traveled.

 

[Rightguide]

While our current heat wave is about El Nino and as much as I hate rain I predict next year is gonna be bad for me. That said do I really need to explain evaporation? Higher heat, more evaporation, more vapors. I mean I'm sure you've seen rain not to mention the oceans which maybe you've never seen. It sometimes shocks me hw people have never traveled.

Take a look at China and how the weather is kicking their asses right now. Beijing just suffered one of the biggest floods in its recorded history. Something like 23 inches of rain fell in parts of the city:

 

[Rotadom]

Did you see the link, clown? Yeah, that's the source the story is based on. You should learn how to read before you start shooting off your mouth about credible sources. You should work on your own lack of credibility as well, that goes for Von Neutered as well.

Along with the smart people here, did you also put reality on ignore?

 

[ll74]

The volcano is not the only reason that recent temps have spiked. A large portion is based on water temps rising when they have previously been stable.

 

[Rightguide]

For anyone who did miss the link to NASA, here is what they say about climate change:

https://climate.nasa.gov/

We know what they say about climate change. The article I posted concerns their explanation of why there is an increase in CO2 levels the press doesn't want to talk about.

 

[Rotadom]

the press doesn't want to talk about.

You found it in the press,

 

[ll74]

This source discusses the changes to emissions of ships and brings up the volcano erption (alas...I thought the libs weren't discussing it!??!!) as well as the lack of dust from the Sahara as contributing factors.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-low-sulphur-shipping-rules-are-affecting-global-warming/

 

[RandyRebecca]

Socialism with the same dependence on industrial economic expansion won't get us out of this, and won't be accepted here.

Socialism with emphasis on workers' control, on economic planning for ordinary people, and not on the profit motive of a tiny number of billionaires like capitalism while ordinary people suffer greater poverty and no hope in the future.

When capitalism, socialism, and industrialism are distant memories centuries later, climate change will still be happening. The pollution legacy will also last millennia. The many leftist attempts here to pretend we can still have high energy consumption middle class lives without fossil fuels show we won't be deindustrializing voluntarily. But losing the Ukraine war and global hegemony looks likely to be the next kick down the slope of less energy and more poverty.

It's the billionaire lives that are the problem, not middle class lives. We cannot afford the existence of the super rich anymore, as simple as that.

 

[jomar]

Did you see the link, clown? Yeah, that's the source the story is based on. You should learn how to read before you start shooting off your mouth about credible sources. You should work on your own lack of credibility as well, that goes for Von Neutered as well.

Yes and I read both articles. Unlike your rwcj link claiming corporate media suppression of the Tonga eruption due to political reasons and there ya have it we‘re in for a few more years of extra heat exaggeration, NASA said “may” and the water vapor wouldn’t do much anyway.

Per the article:“the Tonga volcano didn't inject large amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere, and the huge amounts of water vapor from the eruption MAY have a small, temporary warming effect, since water vapor traps heat. The effect would dissipate when the extra water vapor cycles out of the stratosphere [which could be a few years]”

So not corporate media hiding science for political reasons, more like they’re not reporting a nothingburger. You should work on your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. Maybe you and Harpy can split the cost of a tutor.

 

[Chobham]

The whole pyramid will get lower. The collapse of the global economy will run a forest fire through vast piles of digital assets. Long supply chains for all types of products are becoming more fragile. Poor people with experience in barter, improvised repairs, growing their own food, and other practical DIY skills will be in better shape than billionaires who only know how to give orders and buy loyalty.

Keep your eyes on China, their economy is in freefall as we speak. We will soon see to what lengths the CCP will go to to retain power and how far and deep the economic ripples spread. There will be some benefit to the environment long term...................after their years of pollution is washed away or cleaned up with someone else's money.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Travel is becoming more expensive with rising energy prices and stagnating wages, for less reward as more of the world becomes corporatized. And highly polluting jet travel is a factor in climate change, but leftists who take frequent vacations around the world don't like to admit that part.

The bolded are not likely to be working class. The real political left is for socialism and the working class, not for corporate liberals and Democrats with loads of $$$$$.

 

[Chobham]

The bolded are not likely to be working class. The real political left is for socialism and the working class, not for corporate liberals and Democrats with loads of $$$$$.

OK, you've been on this 'Socialism is the answer' kick for a while now so I'm going to respond.

General overview, Socialist nations are environmental disasters. This is a well known fact. Only wealthy nations can afford to clean up their shit. Strike one.

You mention small scale corporate socialism in one of the your previous posts. I have seen it work, not often, but there are some working models out there. More often than not they fail and they fail for reasons I'll get into in the next paragraph.

They fail because in a real sense of the word they are anarchist in nature. As long as the overwhelming majority of the workers on on the same page you can make it work, but workers are humans with differing goals and motivations. And it is that human factor that leads to the final collapse. It's also one of the reasons that so few partnerships make it for very long. If it's that hard to get just two humans to agree most of time, how is that going to work for an entire corporation? Strike two.

Capitalization. Where is the seed money going to come from for these various ventures, the government? Just as venture capitalists demand a return on the risk money they're putting up so will the government. The big difference here is that governments are loath to take risks. One of the reasons you see little innovation coming out of Socialist nations. Strike three.

Lastly I agree with your comments re. 'rich democrats.' Essentially they're nothing more than virtue signaling hypocrites. They're attempting to buy indulgences from a sympathetic government and the masses. "Go attack that guy, I'm on your side." Bullshit. What you need to understand is "The Pereto Principle", also known as the law of 80/20 distribution. This holds true for any society that has evolved beyond the hunter/gatherer stage. I also agree that we, as far as financial distribution is concerned, are out of balance. But if you really want to make a difference focus on the capital management companies like Black Rock, Vanguard, and State Street. They need to be broken up.

Top Three Funds.

 

[RandyRebecca]

OK, you've been on this 'Socialism is the answer' kick for a while now so I'm going to respond.

General overview, Socialist nations are environmental disasters. This is a well known fact. Only wealthy nations can afford to clean up their shit. Strike one.

What socialist nations? The big polluters are big business capitalists.

You mention small scale corporate socialism in one of the your previous posts.

When did I say any such thing? I said that we need democratic workers' control and planning of the economy, rather than it all being subject to the profit motives of a tiny number of billionaires. The problem with Stalinist societies is that the state bureaucracy too wished to enrich itself at the expense of the workers that they supposedly represented.

Lastly I agree with your comments re. 'rich democrats.' Essentially they're nothing more than virtue signaling hypocrites. They're attempting to buy indulgences from a sympathetic government and the masses. "Go attack that guy, I'm on your side." Bullshit. What you need to understand is "The Pereto Principle", also known as the law of 80/20 distribution. This holds true for any society that has evolved beyond the hunter/gatherer stage. I also agree that we, as far as financial distribution is concerned, are out of balance. But if you really want to make a difference focus on the capital management companies like Black Rock, Vanguard, and State Street. They need to be broken up.

Top Three Funds.

They need to be nationalized and controlled by workers and socialists, not broken up. The law of the jungle that demands corporate profit is what must be ended. Breaking up big corporations doesn't end that law of the jungle.

 

[Chobham]

What socialist nations? The big polluters are big business capitalists.


When did I say any such thing? I said that we need democratic workers' control and planning of the economy, rather than it all being subject to the profit motives of a tiny number of billionaires. The problem with Stalinist societies is that the state bureaucracy too wished to enrich itself at the expense of the workers that they supposedly represented.


They need to be nationalized and controlled by workers and socialists, not broken up. The law of the jungle that demands corporate profit is what must be ended. Breaking up big corporations doesn't end that law of the jungle.

There ya go Randy.

Simple question and there is no wrong answer. Do you believe in God?

 

[RandyRebecca]

There ya go Randy.

Simple question and there is no wrong answer. Do you believe in God?

No. I'm an atheist.