Why are Conservatives so obsessed with race?

[Holy_Seduction]

The labor movement and socialists need their own party.

For your perusal …

https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/sep/us/home.html

‘Why are labor movements and unions backing Democrats and not forming their own party?’

It is not in the interests of the petty bourgeoisie upper management to do so.

Ex: Randi Weingarten [teacher’s union] pulls an annual .5 million. Do you know many teachers who make that?

It is very much in Ms. W’s interests to maintain her position. This requires that she work closely with the administration by shutting down strikes, by isolating them, by ending them arbitrarily and proclaiming ’victory’ and by imposing discipline on class conscious workers who promote a workers perspective.

This can be seen repeating time and time again. Consider last year’s congressional injunction against a rail strike. Does anyone think that railway union bosses would long retain their position or privilege if they refused to accept and instead fought by calling for a national railway strike?

Enjoy the wsws.org !

 

[RoryN]

I am sure I will be pounced upon by the same crowd that has labeled me, judged me and condemned me simply because of my state of residence but here goes anyways.

I don't judge people by how they look, their race or national identity, their sex, their religious affiliation, their sexual identity, or even their politics. I never make that an issue, until they push it in my face. I do not shove my beliefs or lifestyle in their face either. I treat everyone fairly and believe they are a good person until they prove otherwise. If people would stop grouping everything and deal with the people in front of them one on one and as an equal things would be so much easier.

Awwww....GROUP HUG, EVERYONE!

 

[Holy_Seduction]

It makes you wonder why he says Eugene Debs is his political hero.

https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/pseudoleft.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/07/30/pers-j30.html

 

[Holy_Seduction]

Awwww....GROUP HUG, EVERYONE!

‘I don't judge people by how they look, their race or national identity…’

I’m reminded of Jesus’ account of the publican and the sinner.

The sinner said, ‘Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner…’

The other stood off at a distance and prayed thus to himself…

I give thanks that I’m not like other men…I pray. I fast. I give alms…

Is it just me?

 

[TrailerHitch]

Awwww....GROUP HUG, EVERYONE!

Not surprised at all by your sarcasm.

 

[RoryN]

Not surprised at all by your sarcasm.

^^^
Deep.

 

[TrailerHitch]

^^^
Deep.

I laugh at you almost everyday. You think you are some big deal yet all you are is another anonymous asshole on an internet site. Hurray for you!

 

[RoryN]

I laugh at you almost everyday.

You...do? Every day?

Wow - you pay a lot of attention to me!

I must be a big deal.

 

[TrailerHitch]

You...do? Every day?

Wow - you pay a lot of attention to me!

I must be a big deal.

Perhaps not everyday, but at the very least the days you post your idiocy to me.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I am sure I will be pounced upon by the same crowd that has labeled me, judged me and condemned me simply because of my state of residence

Where do you live, again? I forgot, sorry!

I don't judge people by how they look, their race or national identity, their sex, their religious affiliation, their sexual identity, or even their politics. I never make that an issue, until they push it in my face.

Can you extrapolate on this further? Like, exactly what is "pushing it in your face" to you personally?

because there's a huuuuuuge Overton window of loaded meaning in that phrase and it changes from person to person.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Where do you live, again? I forgot, sorry!


Can you extrapolate on this further? Like, exactly what is "pushing it in your face" to you personally?

because there's a huuuuuuge Overton window of loaded meaning in that phrase and it changes from person to person.

I live in Tennessee. My wife does craft shows as her job so we see all kinds of people and couples, lesbian, gay, interracial, transgenders, furries, and no one seems to care. Go about your life and do your own thing. Back where I was in Wisconsin it seemed sexuality, gender identity, and race were always right on the edge of everything. It always seemed to be a big deal and somebody was always offended.

What does push it in my face mean? Quite simply just be who you are, whatever race, ethnicity, nationality, sex, sexuality, gender identity, religion, political ideology, or any other ideology you may believe in. I don't need you to try to convince me your lifestyle is right, if it works for you and you treat me with courtesy and respect I will treat you with courtesy and respect. If you try to jam your ideology on me after I have said no thank you then we have a problem. One which will most often be met with me disengaging from you and walking away.

 

[ll74]

I live in Tennessee. My wife does craft shows as her job so we see all kinds of people and couples, lesbian, gay, interracial, transgenders, furries, and no one seems to care. Go about your life and do your own thing. Back where I was in Wisconsin it seemed sexuality, gender identity, and race were always right on the edge of everything. It always seemed to be a big deal and somebody was always offended.

What does push it in my face mean? Quite simply just be who you are, whatever race, ethnicity, nationality, sex, sexuality, gender identity, religion, political ideology, or any other ideology you may believe in. I don't need you to try to convince me your lifestyle is right, if it works for you and you treat me with courtesy and respect I will treat you with courtesy and respect. If you try to jam your ideology on me after I have said no thank you then we have a problem. One which will most often be met with me disengaging from you and walking away.

What does "convince me your lifestyle is right" mean?

 

[Holy_Seduction]

we see all kinds of people and couples, lesbian, gay, interracial, transgenders, furries, and no one seems to care.

TrailerHitch, I’m sorry it’s so hard for you. But honestly? I reside in the Buckeye state. I can’t understand how it could matter who in TN you’re looking at…

 

[TrailerHitch]

What does "convince me your lifestyle is right" mean?

You are making this too complicated. It means simply live how you want to live, whatever that is. How does your lifestyle affect me? Simple, it doesn't as long as you aren't hurting anyone. So why do you need to waste energy convincing me how you live is right? I won't justify to you or anyone how I live. Just live, be a good person, help others when you can, leave them alone when you can't.

 

[ll74]

You are making this too complicated. It means simply live how you want to live, whatever that is. How does your lifestyle affect me? Simple, it doesn't as long as you aren't hurting anyone. So why do you need to waste energy convincing me how you live is right? I won't justify to you or anyone how I live. Just live, be a good person, help others when you can, leave them alone when you can't.

I asked a question to clarify what you mean.

What does "right" mean? And who is trying to justify how they live to you? Why would they need to? Do you tell them that it's wrong how they live?

 

[TrailerHitch]

TrailerHitch, I’m sorry it’s so hard for you. But honestly? I reside in the Buckeye state. I can’t understand how it could matter who in TN you’re looking at…

Either you didn't read what I said or comprehension is a real problem for you. Or you are a troll looking to stir up some shit where there is none to stir up. I mean it is no big deal. People live and let live. Someone else's lifestyle is no one else's business, unless they hurt others living it. Do you get it now? Fucking A I hope so, it was pretty clear the first time I wrote it.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

TrailerHitch …

You started in about how you and your beloved bride ‘see’ all kinds of people.

I picked out that one point, deliberately ignored every else, and asked why an Ohioan would care what you gave a looking.

Where I come from, this is called humor.

I’d say, ‘lighten up, old boy,’ but now I’m thinking that wouldn’t help matters..,

 

[TrailerHitch]

I asked a question to clarify what you mean.

What does "right" mean? And who is trying to justify how they live to you? Why would they need to? Do you tell them that it's wrong how they live?

Everyone hopes their lifestyle is right for them. I have a lesbian sister and she never had to justify her lifestyle to me because that's just who she is. I have known several lesbian and gay people over my life and they never had to justify anything to me. I always just looked at them as that is who they are.

Honestly, the most pushy people I have ever met are overzealous hard line Christians. If you don't believe what they believe they turn into verbal muggers and assault you with their propaganda on why you will burn in the eternal fires of Hell for not believing as they do. They do not take no for an answer and you must remove yourself from them in order to escape the harassment. They are so sure they are right that nothing else matters to them.

 

[ll74]

Everyone hopes their lifestyle is right for them. I have a lesbian sister and she never had to justify her lifestyle to me because that's just who she is. I have known several lesbian and gay people over my life and they never had to justify anything to me. I always just looked at them as that is who they are.

Honestly, the most pushy people I have ever met are overzealous hard line Christians. If you don't believe what they believe they turn into verbal muggers and assault you with their propaganda on why you will burn in the eternal fires of Hell for not believing as they do. They do not take no for an answer and you must remove yourself from them in order to escape the harassment. They are so sure they are right that nothing else matters to them.

So you have an issue with lesbian and gay people who need to justify their lifestyle to you, but the only people you know that do that are Christians who aren't lesbian or gay?

 

[TrailerHitch]

TrailerHitch …

You started in about how you and your beloved bride ‘see’ all kinds of people.

I picked out that one point, deliberately ignored every else, and asked why an Ohioan would care what you gave a looking.

Where I come from, this is called humor.

I’d say, ‘lighten up, old boy,’ but now I’m thinking that wouldn’t help matters..,

So would you have me close my eyes? Ignore potential customers? I notice how people interact and that is simply a fact of life. Do I care how they live? NO, but it doesn't mean I can't tell they are a lesbian or gay couple, or that this young man is transgendered or gender neutral, or golly if a couple has one white and one other race person that they are interracial. Dude my eyes still work, they see what they see, that doesn't mean I am judging them. In fact I think if you asked people that visited our booth you would here they are all treated with courtesy and respect.
I didn't find your comment humorous, I found it accusatory and your follow up post validated that.

 

[TrailerHitch]

So you have an issue with lesbian and gay people who need to justify their lifestyle to you, but the only people you know that do that are Christians who aren't lesbian or gay?

We are done here. You are purposely twisting my words to try and make me look like a bigot or homophobe. I have CLEARFLY stated that it isn't my decision to approve or disapprove someone's lifestyle. I believe that a gay or lesbian individual is being who they believe they are meant to be, just as I believe I am being who I am meant to be. I owe no one an explanation for who I am and do not force an explanation of who I am on anyone.

If someone wants to discuss their lifestyle with me in an educational manner because they feel it will help me understand them better I am okay with that. If they try to convince me that only their way is right then we have an issue that is unsurmountable and best for me to walk away from.

Twist this now because it is what you seem to live for.

 

[phrodeau]

I don’t like showering with Christians. They keep trying to baptize me.

 

[ll74]

We are done here. You are purposely twisting my words to try and make me look like a bigot or homophobe. I have CLEARFLY stated that it isn't my decision to approve or disapprove someone's lifestyle. I believe that a gay or lesbian individual is being who they believe they are meant to be, just as I believe I am being who I am meant to be. I owe no one an explanation for who I am and do not force an explanation of who I am on anyone.

If someone wants to discuss their lifestyle with me in an educational manner because they feel it will help me understand them better I am okay with that. If they try to convince me that only their way is right then we have an issue that is unsurmountable and best for me to walk away from.

Twist this now because it is what you seem to live for.

I asked you to clarify and you have actually done worse. That isn't my issue, it's yours.

You basically said you don't like the lesbians or gays who try to convince you that their lifestyle is the only way, yet it also appears, based on your explanation, that not a single one has done this to you. So are you saying you don't like hypothetical gays and lesbians?

I was simply trying to figure out what you meant and I'm still not sure that even you know.

And sidenote - I'm not a fan of Christians telling me that their religion is the "right" way to live either

 

[TrailerHitch]

I don’t like showering with Christians. They keep trying to baptize me.

Now that is funny as heck! Thanks for a laugh.

 

[TrailerHitch]

I asked you to clarify and you have actually done worse. That isn't my issue, it's yours.

You basically said you don't like the lesbians or gays who try to convince you that their lifestyle is the only way, yet it also appears, based on your explanation, that not a single one has done this to you. So are you saying you don't like hypothetical gays and lesbians?

I was simply trying to figure out what you meant and I'm still not sure that even you know.

And sidenote - I'm not a fan of Christians telling me that their religion is the "right" way to live either

Good bye. You are just the kind of person I hate talking to. You don't try to understand you only twist words and make the other person look bad and you look so uber cool. Huge fail.

1) I never said any gay or lesbian tried to force anything on me. YOU SAID THAT!
2) My example, and it has happened to me many times, especially since moving to Tennessee, is people trying to force their religious beliefs, or attendance of their church on me.
3) YOU are being an argumentative ass and a troll trying to stir controversy where there is none.

Enjoy being an asshole because you are good at it and YOU FORCE IT IN ANYONE YOU DON'T LIKE HERE. I'm still not leaving but you are dead to me.