Mechanism for removing reported stories.

[KeithD]

It also confirms what Lovecraft has been saying for ages (and I foolishly argued against) that the forum cares a lot more about the horror of a seventeen-year old having vanilla consensual sex than they do about a twenty year old being gang raped, tortured and then snuffed out.

This is totally out of bounds. The forum has done no such thing.

 

[PastMaster]

O. He has congratulated the writer for getting their story reposted, but he hasn't yet apologized for such a demonstrably poor lapse in judgement:

And nor will I -

The story - in my opinion breached the rules as i understood them - and I reported it as such. That is mine and everyones right here.

The moderators - chose to repost the story - it is their site - so that too is their right.

As previously promised I have nothing more to add.

 

[KeithD]

And nor will I -

The story - in my opinion breached the rules as i understood them - and I reported it as such. That is mine and everyones right here.

The moderators - chose to repost the story - it is their site - so that too is their right.

As previously promised I have nothing more to add.

Well, no. You and others went a lot further than just reporting it. Just reporting would be fine, but you and others have bled this vigilante crap all over the board.

Just reporting it would be fine. That's the adult thing to do here. JUST reporting it.

 

[TheRedChamber]

Yeah.

I'm sure that's why he did it: for the improvement of the site.

Why he did it is now largely irrelevant. The site and now the forum has had a good long look at the issue and decided they don't care and anyone who does is odious and needs to move on.

(Edited: attributed a comment to he wrong poster)

 

[KeithD]

Why he did it is now largely irrelevant. The site and now the forum has had a good long look at the issue and decided they don't care and a la @KeithD anyone who does is odious and needs to move on.

Yes, your posts on this are odious. And your wild charge about what this means will now be posted here is bullshit just as is your assertion of the forum's position on any of this.

 

[Voboy]

Why he did it is now largely irrelevant. The site and now the forum has had a good long look at the issue and decided they don't care and a la @KeithD anyone who does is odious and needs to move on.

You might be misunderstanding what some of us think or feel about this. I think you're concerned about a completely different issue than I am. Which is not a problem, until you start generalizing about other peoples' motives. About which you might well be mistaken.

 

[TheRedChamber]

Yes, your posts on this are odious. And your wild charge about what this means will now be posted here is bullshit just as is your assertion of the forum's position on any of this.

I'm not getting into one of your silly little slap fights

 

[KeithD]

I'm not getting into one of your silly little slap fights

You jumped right in to providing that all by yourself. Your posting on this--what responsibility or blame the forum has for anything concerning this--is totally out of bounds. This little diatribe is on you.

 

[TheRedChamber]

You might be misunderstanding what some of us think or feel about this. I think you're concerned about a completely different issue than I am. Which is not a problem, until you start generalizing about other peoples' motives. About which you might well be mistaken.

Quite possibly but it does seem to me that a whole bunch more energy has been directed at the motivation of one forum poster than they have at looking at a call by the site which, agree or disagree with it, seems to be important precedence.

 

[lovecraft68]

No what the op and this thread did was expose the site's hypocrisy on their alleged non consent rule. They fully support-in story form, not saying personally- non con, they support rape, they support torture for sexual arousal, and they do all this for the same reason they allow all the vitriolic hatred of women-and their "other men" in LW because they the clicks to the lowest common denominator and supporting torture porn and misogynistic fantasies are important to them because traffic is traffic and this is business, and that I understand, except...

They will still pretend they have this rule and you spineless amoebas, who sit there and yell about the rules, instead of saying "why do they allow this, it is against the rules" are now "Well, yes, its clear its okay, all hail our overlords"

The people here are as brainwashed and enabling as any of the lemmings in the politics forum.

I agree with Red Chamber, this has been enlightening it exposes the sites true feelings of content they try to con people into thinking they don't want, and how easily you also all accept it and just do as your told.


I've spent the better part of my life taking strong stances against abuse of women, and yes, these are fictional stories and people are free to write them, and as much as I don't care for the material, I defend people's right to be able to write them, but it shows how people here really feel about the material and how staunchly they defend it no matter how over the top it is.

Stories where someone wanted to show childhood sweethearts kissing are treated like a cardinal sin, a woman being gang raped to death, nah, that's fine. Its an extension of how women are constantly under attack in real life, because as Mr Pixel learned, kill a cheating husband in a story and your story is banned. But women...

Today is the Ides of March, a dark day in history. The last couple of days have been dark for me here. Although I posted in other threads, my mind wouldn't leave this one, and its rare when I can't flip a switch on something. I tell people all the time no matter how low of a bar you set people will find a way to slink under it. Classic case of not heeding my own advice. I don't put this so much on the site, again, they do what they do, its the ready acceptance and waffling of people who are to afraid to say "but hey, there is supposed to be a rule, what is going on here?" No, too much to ask, just bend over and say nothing.

I really expected better from some of the people in this thread. Obviously this is all my problem for not being so soft in what I try to stay true to, which is myself. So, yes, RC is right, this thread is an eye opener for me on a much deeper level then anyone here will try to understand.

 

[Voboy]

Quite possibly but it does seem to me that a whole bunch more energy has been directed at the motivation of one forum poster than they have at looking at a call by the site which, agree or disagree with it, seems to be important precedence.

It's no sort of precedent as far as I'm concerned. I don't write those kinds of stories. I know quite well how to get stories posted here. So obviously I've got no real problem with the way the site approves its tales.

I truly, honestly, 1000% DO NOT CARE what content any other writer puts into their stories. That's between them and their own level of squick. What I care much, much more about are self-appointed crusaders flinging barbs on a forum that, to be frank, used to be far more civil until recent months. It appears to me that many people posting here these days are only trolling.

I think it's unfortunate that the AH has gone that way. It makes this a far less useful place to those of us interested in the craft of writing.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I will just point out one logical fallacy that has been used here. The fact that stories were reposted means they are within the publicly displayed rules? No it doesn't. It just means Laurel, or whoever, decided they are within the rules. It is just one more display of the: their site - their rules - their judgement logic which is completely fine by me. But Laurel deciding that stories are within the publicly posted rules doesn't automatically make them so. We all have brains here, we can make our own judgement about that.
Now I'll go back to not caring if the story broke the rules, if it's too violent and sadistic or not. I mean, I completely understand people's outrage when they read such content, but for the love of god the website isn't a common good. We are not in any way involved in how the site is being run. There is no shared responsibility, and there should be no attachment to a website that functions so independently of all of us. We should regard Lit in the same pragmatic way it regards us. It is a useful place where we can put our stories for others to read, whatever the motivation behind our writing is. For Lit, we are workers who provide content that brings audience, which brings traffic, which brings profit. Simple as that. It is a business transaction, if anything.
And to conclude: It is understandable that people point out the hipocrisy in the way the website works, no matter if it's due to lack of manpower or intent. I point it out sometimes, but mostly because some people trigger it, not with their stories, but by some forum posts that try to justify something that is clearly Lit not following its own rules

 

[KeithD]

We are not in any way involved in how the site is being run.

Bingo. And those who post that the forum isn't being vigilante enough can go suck a grapefruit.

 

[djrip]

Stories where someone wanted to show childhood sweethearts kissing are treated like a cardinal sin, a woman being gang raped to death, nah, that's fine. Its an extension of how women are constantly under attack in real life, because as Mr Pixel learned, kill a cheating husband in a story and your story is banned. But women...

Did he try to get it reposted? It it wasn't sexual it should be totally fine. If they refused to repost, I agree they are being hypocritical in that.

I don't think many of us are being hypocritical; for myself, I'm fine with any content, I avoid what I'm not interested in. I'm not concerned about what problematic stories remain up. I am concerned about stories being taken down when I don't agree they should be. In other words, I'm concerned about censorship, not things slipping through. I've been consistent about that, I think. Sometimes in a forum like this it can seem like people are being hypocritical but it's really just that there are multiple people who disagree posting different opinions which all get conflated into "what the forum thinks."

 

[Voboy]

I am concerned about stories being taken down when I don't agree they should be. In other words, I'm concerned about censorship, not things slipping through.

Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding!

 

[IsobelDoc]

And what happens when some politico gets a bug up their ass and goes on a witchunt - They are already trying to ban erotica on the net in several places, and non consentual porn is ALREADY banned.
The Rules - as written, are supposed to protect the site from the backlash.
Someone outside lf litland gets ahold of that tripe and all of a sudden, no matter where else it's published printed or placed in public libraries, the headline is EROTIC SITE PROMOTES BRUTAL SNUFF RAPE.
It gives ammunition to those wanting to take away our freedoms.

The site - can point to its rules and say - but we try to... but clearly they don't The site goes down and where do you post then?

 

[SimonDoom]

It's no sort of precedent as far as I'm concerned. I don't write those kinds of stories. I know quite well how to get stories posted here. So obviously I've got no real problem with the way the site approves its tales.

I truly, honestly, 1000% DO NOT CARE what content any other writer puts into their stories. That's between them and their own level of squick. What I care much, much more about are self-appointed crusaders flinging barbs on a forum that, to be frank, used to be far more civil until recent months. It appears to me that many people posting here these days are only trolling.

I think it's unfortunate that the AH has gone that way. It makes this a far less useful place to those of us interested in the craft of writing.

I agree with all of this.

It bears repeating, over and over again:

This is a fantasy erotic story space. It has nothing to do with the real world. What the site chooses to publish, I don't care about. Others can choose to enjoy things I don't enjoy or support. It has no precedential value, no meaning, and no consequence for me or for the "real" world out there. My advice to those who want to maintain a semblance of mental health and not stoke the fires of extravagant self-grievances is to take the same attitude.

I care about whether the site fairly accepts or rejects my story, but I've found that in my experience, and in the cases I've observed where I've had an opportunity to get some of the facts, this issue can be dealt with by being alert and informed and, if the site makes a mistake, making a respectful, informed, and sober request why the decision should be changed.

 

[djrip]

And what happens when some politico gets a bug up their ass and goes on a witchunt - They are already trying to ban ertoica on the net in several places.
The Rules - as written, are supposed to protect the site from the backlash.
Someone outside lf litland gets ahold of that tripe and all of a sudden, no matter where else it's published printed or placed in public libraries, the headline is EROTIC SITE PROMOTES BRUTAL SNUFF RAPE.
It gives ammunition to those wanting to take away our freedoms.

The site - can point to its rules and say - but we try to... but clearly they don't The site goes down and where do you post then?

I'll let the site worry about how their policies affect their legal standing.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'll let the site worry about how their policies affect their legal standing.

Precisely. It strikes me as a red herring. There are plenty of story places that allow content that this site prohibits. How many are going to jail? Not many. Almost none. This is largely a phantom concern. The site is in a better position to calculate the risk than I am, or than you are.

 

[IsobelDoc]

This is a fantasy erotic story space. It has nothing to do with the real world.

If you believe that then you truly do live with your head up your ass.

Regulation and control of porn on the net has never been tighter, and it's coming to erotic stories too.
We have a platform at the moment to publish our stories.
Why do you think the rules exist in the first place? Why is every erotic story site - suddenly clearing all of the stories featuring under age - It's not because they suddenly had a crisis of conscience. The wolves are circling.
It's only a matter of time before the spotlight turns on noncon. as it has in porn - You are not allowed even fantasy non consensual porn any more.
If you guys want to stick your fingers in your ears and go LALALAALNOT LISTENINGG!!! then that's on you.
But in posting what is 1 a disgusting brutal rape of a woman that should never have even been dreamed of - and I hope to hell I never meet that author in person becauase i would be scared for my life. If his imagination allows him to actually put that down on 'paper' and publish it he shouldnt be allowed within a thousand miles of a real woman.

and 2 something that is CLEARLY and IRREFUTABLY in contavention of their written rules of NON-CON they leaving themselves wide open.

If Laurel is truly a woman and not some hairy assed dude living in his mothers basement, she should be ASHAMED of allowing such disgusting content on her site.

 

[KeithD]

"No what the op and this thread did was expose the site's hypocrisy on their alleged non consent rule."

I can't disagree with this (and haven't done so) as ONE of the things this thread did as well as expose what the truly butthurt over their submissions problems might do in retaliation and also trotted out a lot of "won't mind their own business" vigilantism. But then this was hardly a secret about the site anyway--although I think the problem is loss of control over submissions rather than hypocrisy on LC's hobby horse issue. Lovecraft68 certainly knows how hypocrisy works.

Point of correction, though. Redchamber didn't finger the site for hypocrisy. Redchamber charged that the forum wants all manner of evil to be posted to the site. That isn't even remotely what most of those posting to this forum have hinted at or supported.

 

[Voboy]

If you believe that then you truly do live with your head up your ass.

Regulation and control of porn on the net has never been tighter, and it's coming to erotic stories too.
We have a platform at the moment to publish our stories.
Why do you think the rules exist in the first place? Why is every erotic story site - suddenly clearing all of the stories featuring under age - It's not because they suddenly had a crisis of conscience. The wolves are circling.
It's only a matter of time before the spotlight turns on noncon. as it has in porn - You are not allowed even fantasy non consensual porn any more.
If you guys want to stick your fingers in your ears and go LALALAALNOT LISTENINGG!!! then that's on you.
But in posting what is 1 a disgusting brutal rape of a woman that should never have even been dreamed of - and I hope to hell I never meet that author in person becauase i would be scared for my life. If his imagination allows him to actually put that down on 'paper' and publish it he shouldnt be allowed within a thousand miles of a real woman.

and 2 something that is CLEARLY and IRREFUTABLY in contavention of their written rules of NON-CON they leaving themselves wide open.

If Laurel is truly a woman and not some hairy assed dude living in his mothers basement, she should be ASHAMED of allowing such disgusting content on her site.

Again...

What I care much, much more about are self-appointed crusaders flinging barbs on a forum that, to be frank, used to be far more civil until recent months. It appears to me that many people posting here these days are only trolling.

I think it's unfortunate that the AH has gone that way. It makes this a far less useful place to those of us interested in the craft of writing.

 

[IsobelDoc]

Point of correction, though. Redchamber didn't finger the site for hypocrisy. Redchamber charged that the forum wants all manner of evil to be posted to the site. That isn't even remotely what most of those posting to this forum have hinted at or supported.

This is sophistry.

All of you whining "oh i dont post it or read it so it's nothing to do with me" really piss me off.

Have you never heard the phrase All it takes for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing?

By not holding the site accountable for publishing this evil sick disgusting content you are condoning it. Condoning the brutal torture rape and death of a woman.
"Oh its fantasy - its fiction- its not real."

Where do you think sicko's get their fucking ideas from?

Since as long ago as 1982 it's been accepted that violence in the media has a causal link to violent behavior.

I'd link the citation but it would be pulled as an external link.

Come on guys,really? - you cant be that blase about real violence being perpetrated on women.

 

[TheRedChamber]

Point of correction, though. Redchamber didn't finger the site for hypocrisy. Redchamber charged that the forum wants all manner of evil to be posted to the site. That isn't even remotely what most of those posting to this forum have hinted at or supported.

No, I said the forum doesn't care.

A quick scan of the thread will find a whole bunch of `I don't care' posts, I'd quote them but I'm on my phone and organizing them would be a bitch.

 

[Voboy]

All of you whining "oh i dont post it or read it so it's nothing to do with me" really piss me off.

I have no clue why you think that should matter to me.