Mechanism for removing reported stories.

[Voboy]

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Your claim was that the folks who disparaged PastMaster's conduct were doing so because they (at some level) approved of the content of the story he reported.

Nope. Some of us have other reasons for disparaging his conduct. Meaning, we don't really care what's in the reported story.

 

[TheRedChamber]

Of all the things you said in that post - this is the only statement i agree with. People DO find inspiration from a variety of sources INCLUDING what they read here.

I'm not saying its the only source - I'm saying its a contributing factor.


Ah the 'thin end of the wedge' argument. It's old and tired and could be applied in either direction.

There has to be some moderation. There has to be rules -
There ARE Rules and they were ignored.

There's some big:

"First they came for the authors who write stories about women being sodomized by a red hot pipe."
"But I did not speak up, for I was not an author who writes stories about women being sodomized by a red hot pipe."

Energy on this forum.

 

[IsobelDoc]

Why are you here then? Posting in these forums associates you with this site.

If you truly didn't want to be associated, you would be somewhere else.

You think quips and witty comebacks are enough - that they excuse what YOU are doing here?
You are a disgrace to men everywhere.
Crawl back under your rock.

 

[Voboy]

You think quips and witty comebacks are enough - that they excuse what YOU are doing here?
You are a disgrace to men everywhere.
Crawl back under your rock.

...well... except that he's not condemning the site. So why would he need an excuse?

YOU are condemning the site.

You're not very good at this whole "strawman" thing. It's unfortunate, because I'm interested in what you have to say; it's just really difficult to figure out what you think you're arguing against.

 

[ElectricBlue]

My take on the, "it's only fiction, it's only fantasy, therefore it's okay" is this -

We're all quite happy to say, "Hey fuck, this is good, someone got their rocks off reading my stuff," thus acknowledging that the written word can indeed have a powerful, intimate effect on a person (when it's in a positive, affirmative setting); but when someone says, "You know what, this violent hateful stuff that some people write, maybe that's a bit ordinary after all, not quite so nice", all of a sudden, there's no effect at all? The power of words has suddenly all gone out the window?

You can't have it both ways. You can't celebrate the effect of nice words, then say nasty words don't equally matter, with the potential to effect people's thinking.

But hey, I have this crazy notion of writing "socially responsible erotica", where the sex is positive, affirmative, consensual, loving, so what the fuck would I know?

 

[IsobelDoc]

except that he's not condemning the site. So why would he need an excuse?

That right there

He's NOT condemning the site for posting such a disgusting story - thats why he needs an excuse.

He, you and everyone else here should be clamouring at the site to have it taken down.

I really don't understand the apathy here - the 'its someone else's problem' attitude.

As I said before - all that it takes for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing.

He is doing nothing You are doing nothing.

That story has been hosted here for 8 years I think the author said. It's been read over 30,000 times.
How many of those 30,000 people have jerked off to the thought of what those men did to that woman. For how many has it become a sick fantasy.
And if just one of those men acted out ... where are we.

I'm all for fantasy writing. Hell I write it - - i'm not a fan of noncon in any form for obvious reasons but if its a fantasy of the so called victim and they are getting their jollies too then there is an argument favour of its inclusion. But this was nothing like that. This woman was raped tortured and murdered. and some sick fuck thinks that's ok.

 

[TheRedChamber]

Your claim was that the folks who disparaged PastMaster's conduct were doing so because they (at some level) approved of the content of the story he reported.

Nope. Some of us have other reasons for disparaging his conduct. Meaning, we don't really care what's in the reported story.

I'm reminded of a line that I'm going to tentatively attribute to Franky Boyle.

"I wouldn't say the Pope's a pedophile, but I wouldn't exactly say he's anti-pedophile either."

There's a conversation to had about whether it should be the done thing to call out another's work on a thread. Yes, it's probably a bad idea in all but the most extreme case and I can see why people wouldn't want it to become a regular thing. Remember PastMaster had his own story called out and with considerably less push back about vigilantism than BobbyBrandt's much more extreme extract (possibly simply because it was on Story Feedback than in the Author Hangout). To reiterate, I liked neither story's content, but I can see why PastMaster might have been agrieved at double standards.

But the way I think of it, it wasn't a case of :

Waiter: I'm sorry, this restaurant doesn't allow people to come in without a tie.
PastMaster: But that guy over there is wearing sandals.
Waiter: Please don't worry about how the rules are applied to other people, just accept we have a 'tie' rule.

It was more a case of:

Waiter: I'm sorry, this restaurant doesn't allow people to come in without a tie.
PastMaster: But that guy isn't even wearing a shirt and is swinging his cock around knocking over all the candelabres.

But, hey, as its turned out, both stories are allowed, so everyone's feasting.

 

[KeithD]

But, hey, as its turned out, both stories are allowed, so everyone's feasting.

There you go with an outrageous claim again. You just can't stop, can you? Obviously, you're feasting on all of this. Apparently you just love attributing what everyone does or believes about everything.

 

[TheRedChamber]

There you go with an outrageous claim again. You just can't stop, can you? Obviously, you're feasting on all of this. Apparently you just love attributing what everyone does or believes about everything.

Both customers (the one without a tie and the one with his knob stuck in the salad dip) are allowed to finally eat at the restaurant despite their posted rules.

 

[IsobelDoc]

There you go with an outrageous claim again. You just can't stop, can you? Obviously, you're feasting on all of this. Apparently you just love attributing what everyone does or believes about everything.

Its you that can't stop. You trivialize a hugely important problem by nitpicking at people.

Men like you are the reason that 140,000 women have been Raped or sexually assaulted already this year in the US. I don't claim or accuse that you are perpetrating the actual crimes - but you are turning your back. walking past, turning a blind eye.

It's far more important to you to score trivial little points, than to address a massively important issue.

 

[KeithD]

Both customers are allowed to finally eat at the restaurant despite their posted rules.

And that's your indictment of the forum users, because? We're back to your misfiring and refusal to acknowledge that.

 

[KeithD]

Its you that can't stop. You trivialize a hugely important problem by nitpicking at people.

Men like you are the reason that 140,000 women have been Raped or sexually assaulted already this year in the US. I don't claim or accuse that you are perpetrating the actual crimes - but you are turning your back. walking past, turning a blind eye.

It's far more important to you to score trivial little points, than to address a massively important issue.

You do know that I write gay male stories here, don't you?

You're doing a great job of showcasing who/what you are. Do keep it up.

 

[TheRedChamber]

And that's your indictment of the forum users, because? We're back to your misfiring and refusal to acknowledge that.

It's weird. It's not only that we disagree. It's that you can't even begin to think of my position as anything other than an accidental corner I've backed myself into and would rather not be in.

You know, my position that I'd rather not have the site post violent rape stories. The position you seemed to be confused could even be a rationally held belief.

I've said what I've said about the forum. I don't think it's unreasonable.

 

[IsobelDoc]

You do know that I write gay male stories here, don't you?

You're doing a great job of showcasing who/what you are. Do keep it up.

And once again - you completely and deliberately miss the point.

I'm not saying that you are writing this shit - I am saying that you are standing by and allowing it.
You spend enough time using your 'wit' to disparage others, why not put it to use.
Everyone here should be up in arms about these stories- - they should be beseiging the site owner with demands that they be taken down.
But no - you much prefer to trade insults like a kid in the playground, while REAL women are being targeted by sick men whose fantasies are partly being fuelled by the stories on this site.

 

[KeithD]

It's weird. It's not only that we disagree. It's that you can't even begin to think of my position as anything other than an accidental corner I've backed myself into and would rather not be in.

Naw, I think you're fine with being in that corner, because you are a righteous vigilante who has no trouble posting/misfiring in exaggerations.

 

[YANKEE DAN]

And once again - you completely and deliberately miss the point.

I'm not saying that you are writing this shit - I am saying that you are standing by and allowing it.
You spend enough time using your 'wit' to disparage others, why not put it to use.
Everyone here should be up in arms about these stories- - they should be beseiging the site owner with demands that they be taken down.
But no - you much prefer to trade insults like a kid in the playground, while REAL women are being targeted by sick men whose fantasies are partly being fuelled by the stories on this site.

No one "should" do anything, look up David Hume's is/ought problem.

 

[IsobelDoc]

No one "should" do anything, look up David Hume's is/ought problem.

Thanks for that completely irrelevant contribution.

 

[KeithD]

And once again - you completely and deliberately miss the point.

I'm not saying that you are writing this shit - I am saying that you are standing by and allowing it.
You spend enough time using your 'wit' to disparage others, why not put it to use.
Everyone here should be up in arms about these stories- - they should be beseiging the site owner with demands that they be taken down.
But no - you much prefer to trade insults like a kid in the playground, while REAL women are being targeted by sick men whose fantasies are partly being fuelled by the stories on this site.

You've purposely missed the whole damn point. I have no standing to "allow" it at Literotica. You don't either. All you have is Sturm and Drang over it. And you mistakenly think that anyone here on the forum has any power to satisfy your snits.

I didn't read the stories. I wouldn't have. First, I'm here to write--and am happy to be permitted to do so here--I don't read anything here that someone hasn't asked me directly to read. Second, I try to be an adult. If I were reading the stories and thought they shouldn't be here, I'd do what the Web site gives me the privilege and capability to do. I'd report it. That's the end of what the Web site "allows" me to effectively do. Blowing steam here about it isn't effectively doing anything (with the caveat that it is sort of interesting what made Laurel reinstate the stories after dropping them).

I haven't approved of any damn thing that folks on the thread have said was in the stories. I don't either read or write such stories. Stick it in your ear to assume I approve of whatever you are objecting to in stories I haven't read--and won't read.

I flat out don't approve of vigilantes here. That has nothing to do with how I feel about what they are objecting to. I've already posted in support of reporting stories a reader thinks shouldn't be here and given my take on why it might be found in the file even if Laurel would normally reject it. (Again the interesting issue here, though, is that, at least for now, Laurel hasn't rejected the stories. They both have been reinstated.)

So, you and RedChamber can take your little diatribes and run them up against anyone actually posting anything you are charging them with.

For starters you can both go suck grapefruit as far as I'm concerned because you are self-righteous vigilantes--on a porn site, which, in and of itself, is worth a laugh.

 

[YANKEE DAN]

Thanks for that completely irrelevant contribution.

It's not irrelevant. You are expressing a moral command, claiming others must follow it, but all moral claims are baseless. There is no reason anyone "should" do what you proclaim. Even if all the facts were agreed upon they do not lead to your conclusion.

 

[TheRedChamber]

It's not irrelevant. You are expressing a moral command, claiming others must follow it, but all moral claims are baseless. There is no reason anyone "should" do what you proclaim. Even if all the facts were agreed upon they do not lead to your conclusion.

You are very smart.

I'll use that line the next time my wife asks me to take the trash out.

 

[IsobelDoc]

It's not irrelevant. You are expressing a moral command, claiming others must follow it, but all moral claims are baseless. There is no reason anyone "should" do what you proclaim. Even if all the facts were agreed upon they do not lead to your conclusion.

I can see by your 'signature' that you are in favour of raping women. So anything and everything you say means absolutely nothing - You are scum, and your opinion is completely irrelevant

 

[YANKEE DAN]

You are very smart.

I'll use that line the next time my wife asks me to take the trash out.

Watch out because she might invoke the social contract between you in which she controls access to sex, if that is your arrangement.

 

[YANKEE DAN]

I can see by your 'signature' that you are in favour of raping women. So anything and everything you say means absolutely nothing - You are scum, and your opinion is completely irrelevant

I mean it's not my opinion, it's the opinion of almost all modern secular philosophers who ever lived but okay. Moral relativism is widely accepted, people only still pretend morals are objective when they want to tell others what to do.

Also if the joke in my signature offends you "shouldn't" be on a porn site at all.