Mechanism for removing reported stories.

[KeithD]

This is sophistry.

All of you whining "oh i dont post it or read it so it's nothing to do with me" really piss me off.

Well, no, what you quoted is known as a "FACT." It's what Red Chamber posted.

Did I mention the need for such as you to go suck a grapefruit?

The bottom line is that I have no responsibility for what is posted to the story file here because the Web site gives/allows/authorizes me no such responsibility and hasn't responded to any suggestions they should for the decade and a half I've been here (although whatever reasoning they have for so quickly reversing themselves on the stories the thread references, though, is something to wonder about). What the site does is give readers a button to report potential problem stories. Anything beyond this, by what the site itself allows users, is opinionated vigilantism. I don't support that at Literotica, and consistently have never supported it whenever it raises its childish and self-important head.

 

[IsobelDoc]

I have no clue why you think that should matter to me.

Well it sure as hell should.
Look at your mother, your sister, wife, daughter. Look them in the eye and tell them that they don't matter.
That the brutal torture and murder of women is OK because 'its not your thing'

 

[KeithD]

No, I said the forum doesn't care.

A quick scan of the thread will find a whole bunch of `I don't care' posts, I'd quote them but I'm on my phone and organizing them would be a bitch.

Still attributing anything to the forum in general, are we? Still being outrageous.

 

[IsobelDoc]

Still being outrageous.

It's you who's being outrageous. Ive noticed you doing this on your other posts. One might come to the conclusion that you are here on the forums merely to shout down anyone that dissents. There is a common theme.
Is this just a hobby or are you a paid employee?

 

[SimonDoom]

If you believe that then you truly do live with your head up your ass.

I do truly believe that.

I'm looking around, and I see no signs of the inside of my ass. Not that I know with any particularity what it looks like . . .

 

[KeithD]

It's you who's being outrageous. Ive noticed you doing this on your other posts. One might come to the conclusion that you are here on the forums merely to shout down anyone that dissents. There is a common theme.
Is this just a hobby or are you a paid employee?

So, you feel shouted down? I'm somewhat surprised you aren't posting in full caps.

A paid employee? I think I can hear even Lovecraft68 choking on laughter from that assertion. Thanks. You've made my day.

 

[ElectricBlue]

That's what people do when they report other peoples' work: that's them, claiming they know better than everyone else. I find that attitude odious, to be frank.

Reporting is one thing, one could argue it's a form of community policing - not that I've reported many stories because: "don't read what you don't like reading," so I don't go to those categories which are likely to be unsavoury to me.

On occasion I've read stuff in less "obvious" categories like Erotic Couplings, where I've thought, you have got to be bloody joking, and hit the report button. The difference is, that's it, it's over to the site for review, I don't bring it here for discussion. But I don't want the site to be a gutter, and it's a feature the site gives us (just like we can delete scuzzy comments), so I see no shame in using it.

And when I went back for the curiosity look, the stories were still down (I think I've reported maybe three or four stories in nearly ten years), which means either the author didn't bother changing anything or arguing their case, or if they did, the site still said no (albeit, the second time around, but I don't have a problem with that).

 

[TheRedChamber]

Still attributing anything to the forum in general, are we? Still being outrageous.

If you want exactitude, there are far more posters on this forum who don't care than I would have hoped or expected and, to me at least, it felt like majority.

Since I posted Isabel has come out swinging which is nice, it felt lonely for a while there.

(PS on review, that previous sentence might raise eyebrows...)

 

[KeithD]

If you want exactitude, there are far more posters on this forum who don't care than I would have hoped or expected and, to me at least, it felt like majority.

Since I posted Isabel has come out swinging which is nice, it felt lonely for a while there.

(PS on review, that previous sentence might raise eyebrows...)

Yes, the thought was there that you might also be posting as Isobel.

A majority is not "the forum," by the way. Keep trying to whittle this back to reason. But, by all means, don't just admit that you flew much too far off the handle.

 

[Voboy]

Well it sure as hell should.
Look at your mother, your sister, wife, daughter. Look them in the eye and tell them that they don't matter.
That the brutal torture and murder of women is OK because 'its not your thing'

I've already addressed your last line: we're talking past each other. I'm posting here about something different than that.

As for your second line? It has nothing whatsoever to do with what I'm posting about.

Your hangup about the stories here is your own. It's fine. Just take responsibility for it being YOURS, and not mine.

 

[IsobelDoc]

Since I posted Isabel has come out swinging

Too right I came out swinging - Fists ready and teeth bared.
Thee months ago I spent eight hours in theatre ( i guess you call it the OR) trying to rebuild the insides of a woman so she wouldn't be shitting in a bag for the rest of her life because some sick fuck decided his dick wasn't enough of an insult to shove up inside her when he raped her.
So to see this filth portrayed as 'erotic fiction' boils my blood.
I really don't understand how anyone could read that and not be incensed, not be moved, not be driven to have the story and it's author permanently removed from the site.
I fully understand the difference between fiction and reality- i also understand that there is a link.

 

[KeithD]

Reporting is one thing, one could argue it's a form of community policing - not that I've reported many stories because: "don't read what you don't like reading," so I don't go to those categories which are likely to be unsavoury to me.

Yes, I agree with reporting anything you run across that doesn't look to you as being in the site rules. I don't see this as negative. As I've opined, I think submissions aren't being scrutinized well enough to keep everything in bounds on content rules--in both directions. Material outside the rules is being let through and material inside the rules is being questioned and sent back. Probably not much, in either direction, compared to the volume of submissions--but enough to justify readers backstopping it by reporting what they think Laurel would have rejected on content rules if she'd actually read the story (which she obviously can't do, given the through-push volume).

 

[TheRedChamber]

Too right I came out swinging - Fists ready and teeth bared.
Thee months ago I spent eight hours in theatre ( i guess you call it the OR).

I'm sorry you had to experience that and even sorrier for your patient. I hope she can recover to the point of some kind of normalcy.

 

[TheRedChamber]

A majority is not "the forum," by the way.

??? In common parlance, yes it is ???

But sure, an argument about semantics is just what this thread needs to get to the root of the issue.

 

[KeithD]

??? In common parlance, yes it is ???

But sure, an argument about semantics is just what this thread needs to get to the root of the issue.

What was it you posted about not engaging in a fight? Could have fooled me. And, yep, you're not going to just admit that you flew off the handle and misfired at the not guilty of your charge.

 

[Voboy]

??? In common parlance, yes it is ???

But sure, an argument about semantics is just what this thread needs to get to the root of the issue.

I don't think you should be surprised when people react strongly to you tarring them with the wrong brush. That's all I would humbly suggest.

 

[IsobelDoc]

And there you go again - If you cant argue the point - distract. start chittering about semantics and drivel and drown out everyone else with your nonsense. Again I've seen this behaviour from you before @KeithD

 

[KeithD]

And there you go again - If you cant argue the point - distract. start chittering about semantics and drivel and drown out everyone else with your nonsense. Again I've seen this behaviour from you before @KeithD

Follow me closely every day, do you? I guess I was correct in putting you in the vigilante column then. Fine, have fun.

 

[IsobelDoc]

I came on the forums to see what kind of a site this was. I have many many stories posted elsewhere and thought this might be a good forum for my stuff.
I'll never post here - because I don't want to be associated with a site that will post such stories as the OP posted about.
I'd seen him post before too. I thought , and to an extent still think, he's an arsehole who pulls peoples chains just for the fun of it. I thought that was what he was doing here. and then I read the story he referred to.
His (I presume) motivations for starting this thread are now immaterial. Whether he was being a petty idiot, retaliating for some percieved wrong or a crusader for womens rights, I don't care.
The facts are the facts.
That story was disgusting and should never have been written let alone published.

And as for following you @KeithD, no I wouldn't waste my time. You just pop up with annoying regularity whenever anyone has anything to say against the site.

 

[SimonDoom]

Too right I came out swinging - Fists ready and teeth bared.
Thee months ago I spent eight hours in theatre ( i guess you call it the OR) trying to rebuild the insides of a woman so she wouldn't be shitting in a bag for the rest of her life because some sick fuck decided his dick wasn't enough of an insult to shove up inside her when he raped her.
So to see this filth portrayed as 'erotic fiction' boils my blood.
I really don't understand how anyone could read that and not be incensed, not be moved, not be driven to have the story and it's author permanently removed from the site.
I fully understand the difference between fiction and reality- i also understand that there is a link.

Nobody disparages or dismisses your personal experience, or the horrific nature of what you encountered. Nobody here supports that.

But this is the premise of everybody on Earth who promotes censorship of what others want to write: "This is my personal experience, and how dare you write something that offends my personal experience."

Your personal experience is valid. That doesn't make it universal truth. And it is not a valid basis for suppressing what others write.

You say, regarding fiction and reality, that you "understand that there is a link."

No, you don't. Concerning Literotica, at least, you have no idea whatsoever -- none, zip, zilch, zero -- whether there is anything written here that has any link to the kinds of horrors you have experienced. This is the empirical and logical fallacy of those who want to suppress writing, and it always has been, and it goes on all over the world, and I say to it: BS. You have no idea whatsoever.

You can turn the TV on at 9 pm at night and watch TV shows about every kind of extreme violence and depravity. Game of Thrones, anybody? Want to shut that down? Dexter, a series about a serial killer? Breaking Bad? Stephen King stories? Once you adopt this principle, there is no stopping point.

This is why I truly do not care what others write at Literotica. I have no reason or evidence to believe it negatively impacts the world in any way. And neither do you.

 

[alohadave]

Where do you think sicko's get their fucking ideas from?

All kinds of places. People intent on harming other people find inspiration from a variety of sources.

Since as long ago as 1982 it's been accepted that violence in the media has a causal link to violent behavior.

That is not at all proven, and even to this day, it's a controversial statement. It generally comes down to the agenda you are pushing. There is also the argument that porn and sexwork leads to objectification of women and sex crimes.

Try again.

Come on guys,really? - you cant be that blase about real violence being perpetrated on women.

And who here is perpetrating violence on women IRL? What happens outside here is not caused by stories in here.

 

[TheRedChamber]

I don't think you should be surprised when people react strongly to you tarring them with the wrong brush. That's all I would humbly suggest.

I truly, honestly, 1000% DO NOT CARE what content any other writer puts into their stories.

?

 

[KeithD]

And as for following you @KeithD, no I wouldn't waste my time. You just pop up with annoying regularity whenever anyone has anything to say against the site.

I'm crushed. Absolutely crushed, I say. Devastated, you hear?

I think you're given even Lovecraft68 another belly laugh on the defending the Web site against "anyone has anything to say against the site" line. Thanks for yet another great call.

 

[IsobelDoc]

All kinds of places. People intent on harming other people find inspiration from a variety of sources.

Of all the things you said in that post - this is the only statement i agree with. People DO find inspiration from a variety of sources INCLUDING what they read here.

I'm not saying its the only source - I'm saying its a contributing factor.

Once you adopt this principle, there is no stopping point.

Ah the 'thin end of the wedge' argument. It's old and tired and could be applied in either direction.

There has to be some moderation. There has to be rules -
There ARE Rules and they were ignored.

 

[alohadave]

I'll never post here - because I don't want to be associated with a site that will post such stories as the OP posted about.

Why are you here then? Posting in these forums associates you with this site.

If you truly didn't want to be associated, you would be somewhere else.