Mechanism for removing reported stories.

[PastMaster]

I would like to understand, if anyone can explain it to me, is what happens if someone reports a story as a breach of rules,

From what has happened to a couple of my stories - a report is made - and the story is immediately removed and sent back the author for review. This has happened to two stories of mine, one of which I decided not to repost - the other I respectfully challenged the reasons for rejection and the site mod apparently agreed and the story was reposted.

MY confusion comes because if the above workflow is correct, why are stories that I have reported as being in blatant breach of TOS - simply ignored?

 

[PastMaster]

I find it telling that there isnt a single response here. Not one. Hmmm.

 

[KeithD]

I find it telling that there isnt a single response here. Not one. Hmmm.

Maybe it's because you are posting to other users, not the site administration. Maybe we don't have the answer to your question. Maybe there's no particular reason why we should know the answer to your question.

 

[PastMaster]

Maybe it's because you are posting to other users, not the site administration. Maybe we don't have the answer to your question. Maybe there's no particular reason why we should know the answer to your question.

Why not? you guys have been here since 1803 - you fought both great wars in here and have seen the rise and fall of civilisations from within these forums - I thought you knew EVERYTHING

 

[KeithD]

Why not? you guys have been here since 1803 - you fought both great wars in here and have seen the rise and fall of civilisations from within these forums - I thought you knew EVERYTHING

Perhaps your posting attitude has something to do with the lack of response.

 

[PastMaster]

Perhaps your posting attitude has something to do with the lack of response.

My posting attitude is a reflection on how I've been treated here. - even in this post I asked politely for information and opinion

Maybe it's because you are posting to other users, not the site administration.

Perhaps that's because nobody in site administration even bothers to answer. Who does that leave to ask. Oh i know the self professed experts of the site.

Strange how that when the 'experts' are asked a question that might involve them admitting there are issues with the site - they remain strangely quiet. Where's the yappy pack now?

 

[ElectricBlue]

MY confusion comes because if the above workflow is correct, why are stories that I have reported as being in blatant breach of TOS - simply ignored?

Maybe it's already been returned to the author, had a go-around, had a decision made. Or Laurel has previously/already looked at it and decided, no, it's okay, I'll let it stay up. None of us know what notes might be held against a story from its initial review, none of us know what reporting history a story might already have had, none of us know what author integrity notes she might keep.

There's no obligation, in anything I've seen over the years, for the site to report back to the reporter (maybe there should be). Once it's reported, it's between the author and the site.

I've reported forum posts from time to time. Sometimes the thread Mod gets back to me, more often not, but there's no reason for me to think the issue hadn't been considered.

 

[ElectricBlue]

My posting attitude is a reflection on how I've been treated here. - even in this post I asked politely for information and opinion


Perhaps that's because nobody in site administration even bothers to answer. Who does that leave to ask. Oh i know the self professed experts of the site.

Strange how that when the 'experts' are asked a question that might involve them admitting there are issues with the site - they remain strangely quiet. Where's the yappy pack now?

Different time zones?

Make up your mind. Do you want an opinion, or are you going to dismiss everything you read as coming from the yappy pack, and therefore worthless? You can't have it both ways.

 

[PastMaster]

Maybe it's already been returned to the author, had a go-around, had a decision made. Or Laurel has previously/already looked at it and decided, no, it's okay, I'll let it stay up. None of us know what notes might be held against a story from its initial review, none of us know what reporting history a story might already have had, none of us know what author integrity notes she might keep.

There's no obligation, in anything I've seen over the years, for the site to report back to the reporter (maybe there should be). Once it's reported, it's between the author and the site.

I've reported forum posts from time to time. Sometimes the thread Mod gets back to me, more often not, but there's no reason for me to think the issue hadn't been considered.

Thanks at least for the reply.

Would you do me a HUGE favour and read this https://www.literotica.com/s/heavy-traffic-ch-13?page=2 from about halfway down - the passage starts
"Twenty-one", counted I-Bar as the latest gang member released his orgasm directly into the eyes of the bitch.

I really would like to know how that does not breach the torture - and snuff rules of the site.

 

[KeithD]

Strange how that when the 'experts' are asked a question that might involve them admitting there are issues with the site - they remain strangely quiet. Where's the yappy pack now?

The yappy pack has probably gauged how snotty and whining you've continued to be and decided to let you stew in your own bile.

 

[PastMaster]

Maybe it's already been returned to the author, had a go-around, had a decision made. Or Laurel has previously/already looked at it and decided, no, it's okay, I'll let it stay up. None of us know what notes might be held against a story from its initial review, none of us know what reporting history a story might already have had, none of us know what author integrity notes she might keep.

There's no obligation, in anything I've seen over the years, for the site to report back to the reporter (maybe there should be). Once it's reported, it's between the author and the site.

I've reported forum posts from time to time. Sometimes the thread Mod gets back to me, more often not, but there's no reason for me to think the issue hadn't been considered.

Thanks at least for the reply.

Would you do me a HUGE favour and read this https://www.literotica.com/s/heavy-traffic-ch-13?page=2 from about halfway down - the passage starts
"Twenty-one", counted I-Bar as the latest gang member released his orgasm directly into the eyes of the bitch.

I really would like to know how that does not breach the torture - and snuff rules of the site.

 

[PastMaster]

The yappy pack has probably gauged how snotty and whining you've continued to be and decided to let you stew in your own bile.

Progress - you finally admit the yappy pack exists.

 

[Duleigh]

I find it telling that there isnt a single response here. Not one. Hmmm.

I'd like to help you but vague examples don't get my detective skills spun up. Give me a story title and the reason why it was pulled initially and maybe I can come up with something. You've handed us a blank sheet of paper and said "Explain this!"

 

[PastMaster]

Its m

I'd like to help you but vague examples don't get my detective skills spun up. Give me a story title and the reason why it was pulled initially and maybe I can come up with something. You've handed us a blank sheet of paper and said "Explain this!"

Again thanks for your reply.

its more about why something HASNT been pulled despite being reported.
take a look at this excerpt from a story

https://www.literotica.com/s/heavy-traffic-ch-13?page=2

read from half way down the page

"Twenty-one", counted I-Bar as the latest gang member released his orgasm directly into the eyes of the bitch.

Spoiler alert - the woman dies.

Tell me how that is still posted weeks after being reported as Torture Noncon (with no enjoyment by the victim) genital mutilation and snuff.

(the genital mutilation comes in the last chapter of the series where a man gets his arms legs and genitals cut off.)

 

[ElectricBlue]

Thanks at least for the reply.

Would you do me a HUGE favour and read this https://www.literotica.com/s/heavy-traffic-ch-13?page=2 from about halfway down - the passage starts
"Twenty-one", counted I-Bar as the latest gang member released his orgasm directly into the eyes of the bitch.

I really would like to know how that does not breach the torture - and snuff rules of the site.

It's disgusting, a viscious rapist fantasy beyond doubt, but the scene ends with her still conscious, still with her own will to resist the torture, still with her own agency. She's not dead.

There's the subtlety, I think. It's gratuitous violence, certainly, but maybe (this is only my speculation), because it's one scene in a very long novel, there's enough around it for the editor to say, there's enough other context here to give it a pass.

I'm not defending the content - I find it unnecessary and ugly - but I can see why the site might leave it. It's no less brutal than content I've read in mainstream published work, so there's maybe a wider look being taken.

 

[Duleigh]

Its m

Again thanks for your reply.

its more about why something HASNT been pulled despite being reported.
take a look at this excerpt from a story

https://www.literotica.com/s/heavy-traffic-ch-13?page=2

read from half way down the page

"Twenty-one", counted I-Bar as the latest gang member released his orgasm directly into the eyes of the bitch.

Spoiler alert - the woman dies.

Tell me how that is still posted weeks after being reported as Torture Noncon (with no enjoyment by the victim) genital mutilation and snuff.

(the genital mutilation comes in the last chapter of the series where a man gets his arms legs and genitals cut off.)

Not being Laurel OR the author all I can say is that the wording in this chapter clearly did not set off the site admins, you know, like your language did in the forum last week. Why aren't you taking this question to them?

 

[PastMaster]

It's disgusting, a viscious rapist fantasy beyond doubt, but the scene ends with her still conscious, still with her own will to resist the torture, still with her own agency. She's not dead.

There's the subtlety, I think. It's gratuitous violence, certainly, but maybe (this is only my speculation), because it's one scene in a very long novel, there's enough around it for the editor to say, there's enough other context here to give it a pass.

I'm not defending the content - I find it unnecessary and ugly - but I can see why the site might leave it. It's no less brutal than content I've read in mainstream published work, so there's maybe a wider look being taken.

She does die from her injuries later in the story - so the snuff does still stand - but even aside from that surely on the noncon and torture aspect it fails against the rules.

And I am really sorry but to compare it to mainstream published work - when every time anyone has used that excuse in defence of their work and been told "thems the site rules"

I tried that very argument when Hitman was rejected to be told - those are the site rules - you have to abide by them
Mainstream published works have people under the age of 18 having sex - but that isnt allowed here - I'm not saying it should be i'm saying those are the site rules.

The site either has rules or it doesnt - why should those rules apply to some and not to others?

 

[PastMaster]

Not being Laurel OR the author all I can say is that the wording in this chapter clearly did not set off the site admins, you know, like your language did in the forum last week. Why aren't you taking this question to them?

Because they NEVER answer. simple as that. I'm 0 for 4 on contacting Laurel by PM
The only one here that has even responded to me is AH_Mod who has given me what answers they can - but largely the buck stops with Laurel - who doesnt pick up the phone.

 

[lovecraft68]

It's disgusting, a viscious rapist fantasy beyond doubt, but the scene ends with her still conscious, still with her own will to resist the torture, still with her own agency. She's not dead.

There's the subtlety, I think. It's gratuitous violence, certainly, but maybe (this is only my speculation), because it's one scene in a very long novel, there's enough around it for the editor to say, there's enough other context here to give it a pass.

I'm not defending the content - I find it unnecessary and ugly - but I can see why the site might leave it. It's no less brutal than content I've read in mainstream published work, so there's maybe a wider look being taken.

So her still being alive to be tortured more is a saving grace? How exactly is a kidnapped already brutally tortured person supposed to resist more?
Mainstream published work has different standards than an erotic site even in a non erotic category, we all know that.

 

[Voboy]

I find it telling that there isnt a single response here. Not one. Hmmm.

Some of us just don't know. I've never reported a story, and I doubt I ever would.

 

[PastMaster]

Some of us just don't know. I've never reported a story, and I doubt I ever would.

thanks for the answer.

I would never have repoted a story either - but there were two reasons for reporting this one. The first is the absolutely egregious nature of its flouting of the rules, and second because the author repeatedly boasted in the forums that he had posted a brutal rape scene and had got away with it, when others stories were being pulled for skirting even close to the rules, not even breaking them.

 

[TheRedChamber]

Regardless of the tone of this thread...

I read the extract and it clearly violates the rules of the site as I understand them. I added my own report.

(There's a slight loophole as the violence is threatened rather than actually portrayed, but as that wouldn't fly for underage stuff, I don't see why it would here. It's clear what happens off page. In anycase the 'no enjoyment' gang rape still violates)

To be clear I didn't like the OPs own story The Hitman and said so in another thread, but didn't think it violated the sites policies. The extract is an order of magnitude worse.

 

[SimonDoom]

I find it telling that there isnt a single response here. Not one. Hmmm.

You haven't provided any information that would allow anyone to provide an intelligent and informed response. Nobody can answer questions like this in the abstract.

I have never reported stories. I let the site worry about that. I don't care in the slightest if some stories slip through this site's filter system and "get away with it." I worry about my stories.

I don't know your particular situation, because you haven't given details, but my impression after having been active in these forums for over six years and having heard complaint after complaint of this sort is that the people who complain about having their stories "unfairly rejected" most of the time are stubbornly refusing to look at the site's rules in a rigorous and objective way. The rules are not THAT hard to follow.

 

[PastMaster]

You haven't provided any information that would allow anyone to provide an intelligent and informed response. Nobody can answer questions like this in the abstract.

I have never reported stories. I let the site worry about that. I don't care in the slightest if some stories slip through this site's filter system and "get away with it." I worry about my stories.

I don't know your particular situation, because you haven't given details, but my impression after having been active in these forums for over six years and having heard complaint after complaint of this sort is that the people who complain about having their stories "unfairly rejected" most of the time are stubbornly refusing to look at the site's rules in a rigorous and objective way. The rules are not THAT hard to follow.

Ill cite to you a different instance then - not the instance I cited above as to why bobbybrandts story didnt get pulled.

I had a story called Rise of the cuckoldi rejected - for underage sex.

The underage sex - was the backstory that one of the characters had joined a nunnery to get away from an arranged marriage that would have left her, as a 23 year old, married to a 15 year old.

So there are two reasons why this should not have been rejected.

the first is that - it simply didnt happen - there was no marriage - she ran away before it could take place - so nothign could happen.
the second is that Laurel herself in one of her posts says that references to history like "I lost my virginity aged 14" as long as there are not salacious details are not a reason for a story to be rejected.

My story was rejected.
I suspected it was because of pattern matching software - and re-posted, with comments in the section to leave comments.
The story was rejected again - for the same reason - with that passage about the arranged marriage highlighted.

I changed the passage and the story was accepted.

Now I know what you all will say - well why are you complaining - all you needed to do was change it, but my complaint is that I shouldnt have had to change it - because it fell within the rules as written.

There are other stories where that age might have been important to the plot to the backstory, and I couldnt change it - in which case a story that falls within the rules is rejected why? becuase laurel just decided that day to reject it?

There HAS to be consistency in rules otherwise what's the point in having them in the first place.
If it's literally just a 'finger in the air' and a lottery if a story gets accepted or rejected, then how is anyone supposed to know.

 

[SimonDoom]

There HAS to be consistency in rules otherwise what's the point in having them in the first place.

NO NO NO. This is the whole point. You're tilting at windmills. The site doesn't have to do anything. It's one person reviewing all the stories every day. Of course there will be weird glitches. Just get over it, don't complain, and don't submit stories that push the limit. It's so simple. it's not worth complaining about. There's no injustice here. This is a private website run by 2 people. Just avoid underage issues. Not at all complicated.