How OnlyFans, Fansly and other pay sites have ruined everything...

[stickygirl]

Thirty years ago when women were posing naked for magazines, the guys that are frothing at the mouth over OF now would be happily buying the magazines and not giving a damn about whether the models would regret their decisions later in life.

The aspect of regret is something that gives me pause. Like horses from stables and genies from bottles, once you've abdicated your privacy, there's no going back. It's one thing if your image is plastered over the internet, but inevitably someone will become obsessed and start stalking or worse. That's not a possibility but a certainty and something my family has had to deal with, though nude photos were not the cause.

I'm sceptical of these $earnings being offered without citation. I got a promotion in the letterbox telling me how much had been earned through the lottery in my postcode/postal area and it made it all the way to the recycle bin. If it sounds too good to be true...

 

[silver gurl]

I googled. The average account makes $150 a month, if that.
Not worth the actual work, the upkeep of followers to keep them lurking and the general creepiness of it.
Easier to get an actual job.

 

[policywank]

Valid point. Although I think the OP was lamenting the fact that legitimate sex workers are getting harder and harder to find, for those inclined to employ them.

I understand him lamenting the dirth of legitimate sex workers. I have a pretty liberal attitude towards those things so see no reason why men shouldn't want that or that women shouldn't want to fulfill that need. But to the extent that the supply of legitimate sex workers has waned because they found a better option, saying OnlyFans or Fansly has "ruined everything" is tantamount to saying giving women a better option has "ruined everything." Wanting women to not have a viable option so they will do what men want them to do is a big part of how oppression works.

 

[KatieDoes]

I googled. The average account makes $150 a month, if that.
Not worth the actual work, the upkeep of followers to keep them lurking and the general creepiness of it.
Easier to get an actual job.

Sex work is work.

 

[policywank]

The aspect of regret is something that gives me pause. Like horses from stables and genies from bottles, once you've abdicated your privacy, there's no going back. It's one thing if your image is plastered over the internet, but inevitably someone will become obsessed and start stalking or worse. That's not a possibility but a certainty and something my family has had to deal with, though nude photos were not the cause.

I'm sceptical of these $earnings being offered without citation. I got a promotion in the letterbox telling me how much had been earned through the lottery in my postcode/postal area and it made it all the way to the recycle bin. If it sounds too good to be true...

I think the potential for regret is a significant consideration as is the possibility that the earnings potential is being misrepresented. Those are valuable perspectives to use with anybody contemplating an OF page. But I think that is best addressed through constructive dialogue - not as some posters are inclined to do by finding ways to shit all over women and trans dudes and making shrill claims of how these women are ruining their lives.

That approach reminds me of the way my generation was talked to about sex back in the day. It tended to be fear of STDs, pregnancy, dying alone because no man will want you and somehow some reefer madness thrown in for good measure. It is overbearing, arrogant, controlling, ineffective and unnecessary.

The fact that opening a page on these sites raises legitimate concerns is a valid discussion, but that doesn't have much to do with frightening women away from them so that they will go back to the sex trade.

 

[policywank]

Sex work is work.

Exactly. And it isn't either/or. Some of us might see it as a side hustle to our regular job. If we have a good page will may earn more than the $150 average and that may be worth while.

Personally I don't automatically equate it with creepiness. The way some people talk about this topic is similar to the way they talk about the sex trade - based solely on the worst elements of it. Understanding an addressing any matter starts with a balanced understanding and exploration not knee jerk demonizing and hyperbole.

 

[stickygirl]

Valid point. Although I think the OP was lamenting the fact that legitimate sex workers are getting harder and harder to find, for those inclined to employ them.

Given the OPs laments elsewhere...
cry me a river

 

[Rob_Royale]

Given the OPs laments elsewhere...
cry me a river

 

[wallstreetguy]

Another asshole on ignore. Men in dresses? Do you use the n word you fucking moron?

Checked your comments and I see you are invested in this.

Can't blame them. I read about a married lady who makes 33k a week and DOESN'T EVEN TAKE HER CLOTHES OFF! She just dresses up in provocative clothes and poses. I'd let my own Mrs. do that if she had a mind to.

The PR department at OF would love to see this post. They plant (paid) stories in media like DailyMail to get the word out. Average woman makes $150/month; gets stalkers; often doxxed; and will never be able to erase this from future partners, neighbors and friends.
I work in PR. This is how it works.

 

[policywank]

This is perfect because it reminds me how this turn is not really new.

Women have been expecting more from men for a while now. When it became unrealistic for working-class and then even middle-class households to be single-earner homes and get by, when women started breaking out into more job sectors... There was no need to look for a man because of what he made or what family wealth he could provide. All of that went into the toilet with the growing independence and socioecononic expectations of women across classes.

Now, men are expected to be Attractive. I don't just mean look sexy, I mean not be a piece of shit. Some of these guys have a rotten personality. They don't know how to regard women as fellow human beings. They literally treat them like aliens from another planet and fear them.

These men who think they have nothing to offer because they don't have wealth and status over the women they want to possess, they'll turn to bullshit like pick-up artist culture and the rest of those scammy masculine self-help gurus who keep getting arrested for sex trafficking and so on.

The rest of the guys get sold on the idea of equity, that women are your equals now and instead of competing for their love with your money and status, you should aim to show up for them by... honestly, treating them more like one of the bros, lol. Meaning:

It is insane to me how much intimacy can exist between some straight men, yet they won't afford the same thing to the women they want to Possess as trophies. Some see the light, some don't...

On another thread recently I made the point that when it comes to equality measures some men lament the focus on equal outcomes. I tend to agree with them. People of different races, gender, sexual orientation etc. have different aptitude and interests. Equality of opportunity should not be expected to lead to equality of outcomes. Using that gauge will lead to unfairness. If men are better equipped to perform certain jobs, then we should expect that they will be overrepresented in that job. If those men say "Hey if you can cut it as a fire-fighter go ahead. But don't otherwise engage in unfair activity and quotas to deliver a pre-determined outcome" I agree with them.

But when it comes to matters of gender relations those same men suddenly forget all that and want equality of outcome. Those guys can go on OF and sell their pics if they want. They don't do it because nobody will pay - or maybe gay men will pay and they don't like that. And they put all kinds of contrived constraints on female sexuality (including shaming those that don't comply) in order to impose forced outcomes on sexual activity because that they know that given equal opportunity men would never keep up with women. All that vitriol for the over reach of the woke left in their quest for equality is suddenly reversed when they might lose their latitude to oppress others to get the outcomes they like.

 

[Escierto]

This is perfect because it reminds me how this turn is not really new.

Women have been expecting more from men for a while now. When it became unrealistic for working-class and then even middle-class households to be single-earner homes and get by, when women started breaking out into more job sectors... There was no need to look for a man because of what he made or what family wealth he could provide. All of that went into the toilet with the growing independence and socioecononic expectations of women across classes.

Now, men are expected to be Attractive. I don't just mean look sexy, I mean not be a piece of shit. Some of these guys have a rotten personality. They don't know how to regard women as fellow human beings. They literally treat them like aliens from another planet and fear them.

These men who think they have nothing to offer because they don't have wealth and status over the women they want to possess, they'll turn to bullshit like pick-up artist culture and the rest of those scammy masculine self-help gurus who keep getting arrested for sex trafficking and so on.

The rest of the guys get sold on the idea of equity, that women are your equals now and instead of competing for their love with your money and status, you should aim to show up for them by... honestly, treating them more like one of the bros, lol. Meaning:

It is insane to me how much intimacy can exist between some straight men, yet they won't afford the same thing to the women they want to Possess as trophies. Some see the light, some don't...

One thing that you said really resonated with me and that is where you said many men fear women. That’s exactly right, whether it’s in the US, Iran or Afghanistan. These men fear the power of women to crush their stupid antiquated patriarchies.

It’s no accident that the regressive Republican Party is made up of old white men with a few reactionary women tagging along. I probably won’t live long enough to see a world where the patriarchy and its associated evils is eliminated. Maybe my grandchildren.

 

[SlutAddicted]

The PR department at OF would love to see this post. They plant (paid) stories in media like DailyMail to get the word out. Average woman makes $150/month; gets stalkers; often doxxed; and will never be able to erase this from future partners, neighbors and friends.
I work in PR. This is how it works.

PR and advertising is the art of spinning the story and painting a positive picture. Of course OF engages in this. It is part of our free market capitalist economy - perhaps the less pretty part but not different from any other company.

 

[SlutAddicted]

One thing that you said really resonated with me and that is where you said many men fear women. That’s exactly right, whether it’s in the US, Iran or Afghanistan. These men fear the power of women to crush their stupid antiquated patriarchies.

It’s no accident that the regressive Republican Party is made up of old white men with a few reactionary women tagging along. I probably won’t live long enough to see a world where the patriarchy and its associated evils is eliminated. Maybe my grandchildren.

Agreed. Men are used to having certain "rights" including the "right" to oppress women and compel them to behave the way we want. Then when that "right" is taken away men behave as though something has been taken from us - it has but what is being taken is something that we took by force in the first place and was never ours to begin with. It is like being made at someone for taking back something you stole from them.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

Grumpy old man: You will regret that later in life.

This is an incredibly popular take, but I doubt it is true. What I have seen is that women police their herd by ostracizing promiscuous women, to the point that the promiscuous women is fired. Further, this sort of policing is generally limited to jobs where 'virtue' is valued, like teaching, public spaces, and religion. Outside of that, women have little opportunity to enforce their rules. 'OMG that office lady showed her boobies! I demand you fire her' doesn't work in most offices. Men don't care about topless beaches. Men don't care about the office lady who has an OF. The risk these women face from men is the stalker. Which, IMHO, is a bigger risk that regert later in life (no regerts! lol)

 

[wallstreetguy]

PR and advertising is the art of spinning the story and painting a positive picture. Of course OF engages in this. It is part of our free market capitalist economy - perhaps the less pretty part but not different from any other company.

Yes, but OF is nefarious and notorious for promoting the idea of making a living/fortune when a huge percentage do not even come close to that. I spoke with a couple of young women on this site who wanted to join OF thinking it was as simple as signing on and making millions. Literally.
Their PR team has to be one of the best in any industry, bar none. They have top people putting out these stories all the time and they work.

 

[wallstreetguy]

Isn't it interesting how the people telling young women that they will regret their actions later in life are the same people who are determined to make sure that they do regret them. Their vitriol and bigotry make it clear that concern for the consequences of a young woman's decisions are the farthest thing from their minds. They seek to punish those women who do not comply and blame the punishment on them.

Grumpy old man: You will regret that later in life.

Young woman: Why?

GOM: Because people will judge you and ruin your marital and career chances.

YW: Which people?

GOM: Me and the people that think like me.

YW: Why would you do that?

GOM: To save you from yourself.

YW: Save me from what?

GOM: Ruining your life.

YW: Because you will ruin my life if I don't comply? Sounds like are saving me from you. The same objective could be achieved if you would simply not judge my choices or seek to vilify me for them.

GOM: You don't understand. You'll regret it.....jumping right back into the circular logic that could be readily resolved by just not being an asshole. And another thing......goes off on a bigotry laced tirade about unrelated grievances he has with young people that won't let grumpy old men tell them how to live their lives.

When I was young there was a laundry list of things we mustn't do or our lives would be ruined. There were always a few anecdotal examples to help small minded people reinforce their own conclusions but it was mostly bullshit. I am guessing that by the time today's young women are facing the same predictions their will be more women in positions of authority who are unwilling to let women be vilified for exercising their own agency. Further, the sheer number of women who have put pics up on OF or other such sites will make it impractical for grumpy old men to punish them all.

You might want to see the number of young women who are learning the hard way that every assumption you made here is false. Society is not as open and forgiving as you seem to think. Not by a long shot.
there are social media posts rife with young women being shocked that men are turned off by high body counts and OF profiles. Men dox them to family and show off their images to their friends after a rendezvous. They use them for sex to brag that they made it with an OF girl. Mothers of boyfriends make them break up when they find out the girl is an OF, etc.
There is a Twitter page that is completely dedicated to women posting these and getting sympathy from other women in the same situation. It is updated daily with multiple posts, apparently. Women who get subbed by family members and they allow it because they want the 9 bucks per month (it is ten, but OF keeps 10%). It is so creepy.
I read it once and never went back. There were hundreds of posts. All American women, all with lives that will never be whole.
Somehow, I am the bad guy for thinking that doing this will have terrible repercussions. People like you think this will be like working at McDonald's: a funny story to tell the kids.
Yeah, no.

 

[SlutAddicted]

Yes, but OF is nefarious and notorious for promoting the idea of making a living/fortune when a huge percentage do not even come close to that. I spoke with a couple of young women on this site who wanted to join OF thinking it was as simple as signing on and making millions. Literally.
Their PR team has to be one of the best in any industry, bar none. They have top people putting out these stories all the time and they work.

I agree it is misleading. But if we are looking at stories of shitty and destructive behaviour from PR and advertising departments the list is long. And a great many of those companies either reside on or were financed by Wall Street.

 

[policywank]

This is an incredibly popular take, but I doubt it is true. What I have seen is that women police their herd by ostracizing promiscuous women, to the point that the promiscuous women is fired. Further, this sort of policing is generally limited to jobs where 'virtue' is valued, like teaching, public spaces, and religion. Outside of that, women have little opportunity to enforce their rules. 'OMG that office lady showed her boobies! I demand you fire her' doesn't work in most offices. Men don't care about topless beaches. Men don't care about the office lady who has an OF. The risk these women face from men is the stalker. Which, IMHO, is a bigger risk that regert later in life (no regerts! lol)

I am probably being unfair by just referring to grumpy old men. I should expand that label to include misogynist men of all ages and complicit women. As you say some are jealous, some are old school feminist that feel the "liberated" women should comply with their dictums and some are religious zealots who feel the need to impose their views on others. But much of it one way or another has come out of the patriarchy whether it be women who themselves have been oppressed by it and are jealous of those who seek to break free or those who think all those who do break free should act according to specific rules.

You are right that much of the negative workplace reactions is limited to certain roles. That threat is real, but the premise that women will be driven to the absolute fringes of society is no longer true.

 

[PastMaster]

In many ways I think the internet has ruined porn.

Women selling themselves online and ruining their lives because the men in the PR department of OF convinced them that this is empowering. Amazing how some men have that kind if power of persuasion. I had friends who could talk any girl into bed and lie to them before and after about it. Girls always wanted to believe the guys' lies because it made them feel less guilty.
Same thing with trans dudes convincing women to be their storm troopers as these same women (and their daughters) lose jobs, team spots, competitions, safe spaces and dignity to men in dresses. My gay friends could insult women and the women laughed it off since gays get free passes. Amazing. Truly.

Selling themselver? not really - they are showing off their natural assets and more power to them. If you have it and you are not worried about showing it, why not make a living at it. Is it any more degrading than going to a mundane n 9-5 job that you hate, day in and day out and selling what skills you have for a mediocre paycheck. That to me is a life ruined. They make a fortune and dont have to demean themselves for a pittance. I wish I could do that, I'm too old fat and ugly - which is why i write
Some of these girls (and boys) are stunning.
For some of them it's their only asset, but for others they are incredibly clever and talented individuals who could do any number of things - but choose to do this because it suits them, makes them happy, and allows them to make money.
The problem with this is not them, its you. Narrow minded judgemental prick who is determined to drag everyone down to his level. You're not happy in your life choices so nobody else is allowed to be either.

If you don't like it - dont watch - simple - there is an off button on the computer for a reason. But you're the kind of guy that faps to online porn and then to hide their own guilt campaigns to have it removed.

 

[policywank]

You might want to see the number of young women who are learning the hard way that every assumption you made here is false. Society is not as open and forgiving as you seem to think. Not by a long shot.
there are social media posts rife with young women being shocked that men are turned off by high body counts and OF profiles. Men dox them to family and show off their images to their friends after a rendezvous. They use them for sex to brag that they made it with an OF girl. Mothers of boyfriends make them break up when they find out the girl is an OF, etc.
There is a Twitter page that is completely dedicated to women posting these and getting sympathy from other women in the same situation. It is updated daily with multiple posts, apparently. Women who get subbed by family members and they allow it because they want the 9 bucks per month (it is ten, but OF keeps 10%). It is so creepy.
I read it once and never went back. There were hundreds of posts. All American women, all with lives that will never be whole.
Somehow, I am the bad guy for thinking that doing this will have terrible repercussions. People like you think this will be like working at McDonald's: a funny story to tell the kids.
Yeah, no.

It seems to me that you are helping make my point. I know that there are lots of people inclined to bully women into submission. And in fairness it goes beyond grumpy old men. In fact, that arguably was the purpose of this thread - a man sensing the loss of control of women and asking other men "what do we do about it." Every time women seek to exercise their own agency men come out in force to shame and oppress. And every step forward against that oppression has a cost. But what is the alternative? To be cowed into submission? No.

You aren't the bad guy for thinking that this could have terrible repercussions. But capitulate to oppression isn't the answer.

Let's step back for a moment. The premise that men and society at large may shun women for exposing themselves in any way is not new. Anyone with a vagina knows that. OF may be more dangerous than most so perhaps it should come with a warning or be restricted in its advertising practices. But women do still need to take responsibility for their own decisions.

Now to the extent that the issue is that posting on OF exposes women to the shitty behaviour of others, why are we only talking about OF and not the shitty behaviour of others. You found a way to attack gay and trans people, shame women for letting douche bags talk them into bed yet somehow managed to not say a single bad thing about the assholes who perpetuate the oppression of women.

I may be optimistic about how easily or how long it may take to turn around attitudes. But that doesn't change anything but the timeline. "Men will behave like dicks so capitulate and don't do anything to upset them" isn't an argument it is a threat to which women should not accede

 

[wallstreetguy]

It seems to me that you are helping make my point. I know that there are lots of people inclined to bully women into submission. And in fairness it goes beyond grumpy old men. In fact, that arguably was the purpose of this thread - a man sensing the loss of control of women and asking other men "what do we do about it." Every time women seek to exercise their own agency men come out in force to shame and oppress. And every step forward against that oppression has a cost. But what is the alternative? To be cowed into submission? No.

You aren't the bad guy for thinking that this could have terrible repercussions. But capitulate to oppression isn't the answer.

Let's step back for a moment. The premise that men and society at large may shun women for exposing themselves in any way is not new. Anyone with a vagina knows that. OF may be more dangerous than most so perhaps it should come with a warning or be restricted in its advertising practices. But women do still need to take responsibility for their own decisions.

Now to the extent that the issue is that posting on OF exposes women to the shitty behaviour of others, why are we only talking about OF and not the shitty behaviour of others. You found a way to attack gay and trans people, shame women for letting douche bags talk them into bed yet somehow managed to not say a single bad thing about the assholes who perpetuate the oppression of women.

I may be optimistic about how easily or how long it may take to turn around attitudes. But that doesn't change anything but the timeline. "Men will behave like dicks so capitulate and don't do anything to upset them" isn't an argument it is a threat to which women should not accede

Society today infantilizes women. It coddles their every bad decision, leading to more bad decisions and awful lives.
You call men douchebags for talking women into bed. Fine. But when we hear that a celebrity slept with hundreds of women while married, the attacks are (rightfully) centered on him. But there is never a discussion about the fact that hundreds of women slept with a married man because he is famous and would be them prestige, money, fame or whatever. I do not care in either case. But those women might be outted one day as one of the hundreds and there is not way society is going to say, "That's so cool! You go, girl!"
At best, people will just secretly think badly of her. At worst, it will come up at a dinner party or PTA meeting or Thanksgiving.
There was a young woman I read about who was big in crypto. She was part of a big scandal (not FTX). Turns out she had a past in porn and that might have been why one of the execs got ther the job (had a crush perhaps). Once discovered, she was ousted from the company and she went as far as taking down her LinkedIn bc it was being bombarded with her old content. Fewer people cared about her destroying huge amounts of wealth. The trolls were sending her followers links to her old stuff. They might have lost money and this was their revenge.
The people who did that are awful and shameful but will never be caught. The Internet hides them.
If you think that young woman will have a normal life, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[SlutAddicted]

It seems to me that you are helping make my point. I know that there are lots of people inclined to bully women into submission. And in fairness it goes beyond grumpy old men. In fact, that arguably was the purpose of this thread - a man sensing the loss of control of women and asking other men "what do we do about it." Every time women seek to exercise their own agency men come out in force to shame and oppress. And every step forward against that oppression has a cost. But what is the alternative? To be cowed into submission? No.

You aren't the bad guy for thinking that this could have terrible repercussions. But capitulate to oppression isn't the answer.

Let's step back for a moment. The premise that men and society at large may shun women for exposing themselves in any way is not new. Anyone with a vagina knows that. OF may be more dangerous than most so perhaps it should come with a warning or be restricted in its advertising practices. But women do still need to take responsibility for their own decisions.

Now to the extent that the issue is that posting on OF exposes women to the shitty behaviour of others, why are we only talking about OF and not the shitty behaviour of others. You found a way to attack gay and trans people, shame women for letting douche bags talk them into bed yet somehow managed to not say a single bad thing about the assholes who perpetuate the oppression of women.

I may be optimistic about how easily or how long it may take to turn around attitudes. But that doesn't change anything but the timeline. "Men will behave like dicks so capitulate and don't do anything to upset them" isn't an argument it is a threat to which women should not accede

To your point about what women expect I think it is important to note that it is up to each woman to know how her friends, family, employer or prospective employer would respond to her having an OF page. Staff at OF have no insight into each individual's personal circumstances and to expect otherwise is to be willfully blind. If a prostitute convinces you that your wife won't be angry if you fuck her and you buy that, the consequences are on you 110%. You have no case for outlawing prostitution because you let her tell you how your wife would react.

The only area where OF may be able to mislead a woman is in assessing how much money she will make. That doesn't absolve anybody of the obligation to look out for themselves especially when dealing with someone who obviously has a vested interest in selling you some magic beans.

Let's think that through for a moment. It is on her to know what kind of response she will experience. If she lets OF convince her she will make X amount of money she is the one deciding that what ever negative blowback she will get is worth the money. Now how much are we talking about? If she expected to make $1,000 or $2,000/month that is obviously not enough to live on. She should have expected to continue to hold a full-time job and it was on her to know whether having an OF page would compromise her job prospects. IF she expected to make enough to live and retire on that is pretty hard to swallow. It isn't impossible, but it is pretty far-fetched. And if a woman knew that the blowback would be so severe that it would only be justified if OF made her rich she is the one who made that gamble. Maybe OF pumped her up in a way that was unethical but at some point we all need to hold ourselves responsible for not buying the magic beans.

I get all the negative stuff that can happen. But it is on each person to know their own circumstances and consequences. Maybe a woman can blame OF for the fact that she didn't make enough money to make all the negative stuff worth it, but she can't blame them for the negative consequences that only she was uniquely positioned to foresee because they are so unique to her circumstances.

 

[KatieDoes]

Society today infantilizes women. It coddles their every bad decision, leading to more bad decisions and awful lives.
You call men douchebags for talking women into bed. Fine. But when we hear that a celebrity slept with hundreds of women while married, the attacks are (rightfully) centered on him. But there is never a discussion about the fact that hundreds of women slept with a married man because he is famous and would be them prestige, money, fame or whatever. I do not care in either case. But those women might be outted one day as one of the hundreds and there is not way society is going to say, "That's so cool! You go, girl!"
At best, people will just secretly think badly of her. At worst, it will come up at a dinner party or PTA meeting or Thanksgiving.
There was a young woman I read about who was big in crypto. She was part of a big scandal (not FTX). Turns out she had a past in porn and that might have been why one of the execs got ther the job (had a crush perhaps). Once discovered, she was ousted from the company and she went as far as taking down her LinkedIn bc it was being bombarded with her old content. Fewer people cared about her destroying huge amounts of wealth. The trolls were sending her followers links to her old stuff. They might have lost money and this was their revenge.
The people who did that are awful and shameful but will never be caught. The Internet hides them.
If you think that young woman will have a normal life, you are sadly mistaken.

This, from the man that keeps talking over one of the smartest women on this site and trying to tell her what she ‘really’ thinks and mansplain women‘s emotions and motivations to her.

 

[policywank]

Society today infantilizes women. It coddles their every bad decision, leading to more bad decisions and awful lives.
You call men douchebags for talking women into bed. Fine. But when we hear that a celebrity slept with hundreds of women while married, the attacks are (rightfully) centered on him. But there is never a discussion about the fact that hundreds of women slept with a married man because he is famous and would be them prestige, money, fame or whatever. I do not care in either case. But those women might be outted one day as one of the hundreds and there is not way society is going to say, "That's so cool! You go, girl!"
At best, people will just secretly think badly of her. At worst, it will come up at a dinner party or PTA meeting or Thanksgiving.
There was a young woman I read about who was big in crypto. She was part of a big scandal (not FTX). Turns out she had a past in porn and that might have been why one of the execs got ther the job (had a crush perhaps). Once discovered, she was ousted from the company and she went as far as taking down her LinkedIn bc it was being bombarded with her old content. Fewer people cared about her destroying huge amounts of wealth. The trolls were sending her followers links to her old stuff. They might have lost money and this was their revenge.
The people who did that are awful and shameful but will never be caught. The Internet hides them.
If you think that young woman will have a normal life, you are sadly mistaken.

Meh. Sometimes women get coddled. Sometimes we get attacked. We are certainly treated differently.

The celebrity analogy is spurious. You could switch the celebrity gender and the same would apply. Whomever slept with whom it will be the celebrity - male or female - who gets attacked because that is what sells media time.

Again I don't know what you are arguing. I never said women who choose to exercise their own agency won't encounter negative consequences. I know they will. That is how bullying works. But the fact that exercising my own agency means society will try to bully me into compliance is is not a good reason to be cowed into compliance. Each woman should know what she is up against, make her own decision and own the consequences.

 

[SlutAddicted]

This, from the man that keeps talking over one of the smartest women on this site and trying to tell her what she ‘really’ thinks and mansplain women‘s emotions and motivations to her.

Lol. Do you think he is smart enough to grasp the irony of explaining how society infantilizes women by talking down to a woman and ignoring the substance of the points she is making?