Dictator DeSatinist Seeks State Control Of Private Industry

[SgtSpiderMan]

Florida special districts come in many shapes and forms. Board members of most community development districts are indeed elected by their residents, but other types are appointed by county boards of supervisors or city councils, and others (ex. South Florida Water Management District) are appointed by the governor.

Reedy Creek falls in the latter category and is very unique. Unlike other special districts, nearly all the property is owned by a single corporation - Disney. It only has around 50 residents, all of whom are handpicked Disney employees who provide the votes needed on issues such as approval of bonds for park improvements.

Governance and public accountability of the soon to be renamed Central Florida Tourism Oversight District will become more like other special districts as well as theme parks that compete with Disney. In addition to no longer hand picking their own oversight board members, the California-based company will no longer be exempt from seeking approvals for environmental impact, drainage and other regulations from local authorities as other property developers must do. Nor will they be able to build nuclear power plants and airports or seize property through eminent domain. The sun is rising in this 39 square mile enclave in Sunshine State.

You keep bringing up recited points.
Why not change the district so that residents of Orange & Osceola County can vote on the board members?

And again, something you continually refuse to answer, why is DeSantis ONLY making changes to the RCID and why now?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

From everything that has been released, the issue of the bond debt is not resolved, and a deal must be cut between the four parties involved, which is why the deadline is now June 2023. There is no guarantee Disney will pay. They can simply close up shop and leave. ( note Disney HAS announced 7000 in job cuts, but not where) So nothing has really changed in the situation, from the article of last April.

https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-i...desantis-few-options-for-reedy-creek-district

https://thecapitolist.com/desantis-on-reedy-creek-debt-disney-is-going-to-pay/

And all seemingly from a small minded Governor...*chuckles* 463,000 direct and indirect jobs, and 5.8 Billon in revenue in the State of Florida....yah Disney has no real power......lol Iger is not an idiot, he holds the cards in any "negotiation" with DeSantis.

Looks like Disney is “ready to work within this new framework.”

From WSJ:
“We appreciate all that the District has done to help our destination grow and become one of the largest economic contributors and employers in the state,” said Jeff Vahle, president of Walt Disney World Resort. “We are focused on the future and are ready to work within this new framework.”

 

[Rightguide]

Your position is at odds with reality. DeSantis' punitive measure does NOT "align it governance structure yadda yadda" because in virtually EVERY OTHER DISTRICT the control is LOCAL and elected/appointed at the LOCAL level.

DeSantis' punitive measure, as you point out, is now controlled by the highly partisan governor and the highly partisan state legislature, effectively "taxation without representation"....those that live/work for Disney are specifically EXCLUDED from participation in this local government.

This is un-American.

List of "Florida Special Improvement Districts"....select any one at random and notice how governance is LOCAL in all except ONE as of this week.

As it should be, they have been proven to be perverts and weirdos endangering kids.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

As it should be, they have been proven to be perverts and weirdos endangering kids.

Just like DeSantis.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Florida special districts come in many shapes and forms. Board members of most community development districts are indeed elected by their residents, but other types are appointed by county boards of supervisors or city councils, and others (ex. South Florida Water Management District) are appointed by the governor.

Reedy Creek falls in the latter category and is very unique. Unlike other special districts, nearly all the property is owned by a single corporation - Disney. It only has around 50 residents, all of whom are handpicked Disney employees who provide the votes needed on issues such as approval of bonds for park improvements.

Governance and public accountability of the soon to be renamed Central Florida Tourism Oversight District will become more like other special districts as well as theme parks that compete with Disney. In addition to no longer hand picking their own oversight board members, the California-based company will no longer be exempt from seeking approvals for environmental impact, drainage and other regulations from local authorities as other property developers must do. Nor will they be able to build nuclear power plants and airports or seize property through eminent domain. The sun is rising in this 39 square mile enclave in Sunshine State.

Disney wanted to build a nuclear power plant on their 39 square mile patch of land?
Who knew?

Also: Histrionics is not a good look on you. Leave that to the next incarnation of BoBo.

 

[Rotadom]

As it should be, they have been proven to be perverts and weirdos endangering kids.

Pretty soon, you won't be able to enjoy anything in life at all.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Disney wanted to build a nuclear power plant on their 39 square mile patch of land?
Who knew?

Seriously doubt they would want to build one today, even though having their own carbon-free power generation utility *might* have some advantages. But in the 1960s, nuclear power was more widely accepted as a clean, efficient form of energy. According to a Bloomberg article from few years ago, when Reedy was being set up Walt Disney wanted to keep his options open.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-15/disney-world-s-literal-nuclear-option-explained

 

[PaxNurgle]

As it should be, they have been proven to be perverts and weirdos endangering kids.

Please explain: In what way are they "perverts and weirdos" and how are they "Endangering Kids?"

Because frankly, I suspect this is nothing more than the usual bigotry and hatred on your part at work here. ("By simply being gay and promoting gay rights they are endangering kids?!?" So...please explain.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Seriously doubt they would want to build one today, even though having their own carbon-free power generation utility *might* have some advantages. But in the 1960s, nuclear power was more widely accepted as a clean, efficient form of energy. According to a Bloomberg article from few years ago, when Reedy was being set up Walt Disney wanted to keep his options open.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-15/disney-world-s-literal-nuclear-option-explained

Alright, I'll concede that particular point to you.

I still take issue with statewide control of a special taxation district. You did find a unicorn in the Southern Florida Water district, I'd point out that that is more of a "regional" (as opposed to "local") district and as such I think it's proper to appoint board members from a state perspective.

I obviously don't feel the same way about small 39 mile tracts of local land....and specifically preventing inhabitants from having any say in the matter is quintessential "taxation without representation" in my estimation, and anathematic to American self-government.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Alright, I'll concede that particular point to you.

I still take issue with statewide control of a special taxation district. You did find a unicorn in the Southern Florida Water district, I'd point out that that is more of a "regional" (as opposed to "local") district and as such I think it's proper to appoint board members from a state perspective.

I obviously don't feel the same way about small 39 mile tracts of local land....and specifically preventing inhabitants from having any say in the matter is quintessential "taxation without representation" in my estimation, and anathematic to American self-government.

There are only a couple dozen inhabitants of the Reddy Creek district and they are all Disney employees and family members. I found other special districts for things like water, hospitals, and libraries that have board members appointed by the governor. Many others are appointed by county and city elected officials. Board members on most if not all independent community districts are elected by residents. As far as I can tell, Disney is the only theme park operator with its own special district and Walt probably greased lots of politicians palms to get it.

 

[Lazaran]

Bottom line: The RWCJ is celebrating the nakedly political and authoritarian flex by Florida “man”.

I just have to wonder what the RWCJ would be sounding like if a Democrat Governor had done a similar flex in response to a private company’s public stance on a random policy they opposed.



I can’t say that I’m too concerned about “Disney”, in this instance; but the chilling effect Florida “man’s” punishment of free speech has on corporate allies of human rights is very concerning.

Anti-free speech RWCJ idiots are happy though, so……..

Anti-free speech RWCJ idiots

 

[adrina]

Bottom line: The RWCJ is celebrating the nakedly political and authoritarian flex by Florida “man”.

I just have to wonder what the RWCJ would be sounding like if a Democrat Governor had done a similar flex in response to aa private company’s public stance on a random policy they opposed.



I can’t say that I’m too concerned about “Disney”, in this instance; but the chilling effect Florida “man’s” punishment of free speech has on corporate allies of human rights is very concerning.

Anti-free speech RWCJ idiots are happy though, so……..

Anti-free speech RWCJ idiots

They think it owns the libs so it's good to go. That's all they care about.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

And if it were a Democratic governor taking retaliatory action against a gun manufacturer, an oil company, or heaven forbid Twitter, the left would go crazy.

Cheer up. The woke corporation Libs are so passionately concerned about still gets the special tax breaks and impact fee waivers that are not available to its competitors. Walt Disney has gotten one hell of a return on his investments in those Florida politicians he bought over a half century ago.

 

[Lazaran]

BabyBoobs FAILS at basic reading comprehension……AGAIN.

BabyBoobs



Also: When BabyBoobs finds a similar example of a Democrat Governor doing a similar flex as Florida “man”, then BabyBoobs should share.

BabyBoobs

 

[Lazaran]

They think it owns the libs so it's good to go. That's all they care about.

That is what they ultimately have been reduced to.

Pathetic and…….

SAD!!!

 

[adrina]

And if it were a Democratic governor taking retaliatory action against a gun manufacturer, an oil company, or heaven forbid Twitter, the left would go crazy.

Cheer up. The woke corporation Libs are so passionately concerned about still gets the special tax breaks and impact fee waivers that are not available to its competitors. Walt Disney has gotten one hell of a return on his investments in those Florida politicians he bought over a half century ago.

"woke libs"

Tell me again how much you respect your fellow citizens.

Again, you are in such a rush to own the libs you don't care about anything else.

Your smug and ignorant assumptions that it will be okay hasn't worked so far. Abortion, the debt, weapons. Now Disney. You're track record isn't the best. Unless the goal is to try to own the libs. Feel better?

 

[adrina]

That is what they ultimately have been reduced to.

Pathetic and…….

SAD!!!

50 years of conservative propaganda at work.

To be patriotic they must hate anyone who disagrees with them.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

"woke libs"


Your smug and ignorant assumptions that it will be okay hasn't worked so far.

Read the bill. Disney’s special tax breaks and impact fee waivers remain intact. You don’t have to take my word for it. A company spokesperson is quoted in the WSJ and other news outlets today saying they’ll work within the new framework. Dizzy will be fine.

 

[adrina]

Read the bill. Disney’s special tax breaks and impact fee waivers remain intact. You don’t have to take my word for it. A company spokesperson is quoted in the WSJ and other news outlets today saying they’ll work within the new framework. Dizzy will be fine.

You haven't even read the bill. You're just regurgitating the talking points with no real interest in the well being of Florida, Orange and Osceola counties or the citizens of Florida. Your only interest is picking a side in which you believe the libs will be owned.

That's what you care about - owning the libs. That only.

 

[Lazaran]

"woke libs"

Tell me again how much you respect your fellow citizens.

Again, you are in such a rush to own the libs you don't care about anything else.

Your smug and ignorant assumptions that it will be okay hasn't worked so far. Abortion, the debt, weapons. Now Disney. You're track record isn't the best. Unless the goal is to try to own the libs. Feel better?

BabyBoobs and the other RWCJ “members” are sociopaths clutching the Cis white male privilege status quo for dear life.

BabyBoobs has “got his”, so fuck everyone else.

I was a senior staff at a forensic psychiatric facility, and I have witnessed behavior like BabyBoobs’ from many clinically diagnosed sociopaths.

I am quite confident in my assessment of BabyBoobs and most, if not all, of the RWCJ “members” who frequent this board.

That ^ is the SAD!!! reality we have to deal with.

*nods*

 

[RobDownSouth]

You haven't even read the bill. You're just regurgitating the talking points with no real interest in the well being of Florida, Orange and Osceola counties or the citizens of Florida. Your only interest is picking a side in which you believe the libs will be owned.

That's what you care about - owning the libs. That only.

One thing many folks don't realize is that Disney took on the entire cost for modernizing and upsizing the infrastructure to/from/around Disney World all by itself. I had relatives in Orlando in the mid-60s and it was a sleepy little town. Disney avoided being hamstrung by bureaucratic red tape regarding zoning by being its own zoning authority,

From all accounts the Reedy Creek Special Improvement District was being run very well, so I don't see how DeSantis political stunt can be categorized as anything other than "punitive".

 

[adrina]

One thing many folks don't realize is that Disney took on the entire cost for modernizing and upsizing the infrastructure to/from/around Disney World all by itself. I had relatives in Orlando in the mid-60s and it was a sleepy little town. Disney avoided being hamstrung by bureaucratic red tape regarding zoning by being its own zoning authority,

From all accounts the Reedy Creek Special Improvement District was being run very well, so I don't see how DeSantis political stunt can be categorized as anything other than "punitive".

It was 100% punitive. They spoke out against his "don't say gay" legislation and he took revenge. This was never on his radar prior to it. The sad part is that there is actually a need to pull Disney into line but the Florida republicans wrote the legislation with vengeance in mind instead of good governance. There are a ton of financial issues which they have just glossed over because they haven't taken the time to understand them. This is going to be a mess.

 

[Lazaran]

One thing many folks don't realize is that Disney took on the entire cost for modernizing and upsizing the infrastructure to/from/around Disney World all by itself. I had relatives in Orlando in the mid-60s and it was a sleepy little town. Disney avoided being hamstrung by bureaucratic red tape regarding zoning by being its own zoning authority,

From all accounts the Reedy Creek Special Improvement District was being run very well, so I don't see how DeSantis political stunt can be categorized as anything other than "punitive".

That ^ is exactly correct.

Which is why BabyBoobs is making such an effort to divert and distract from the true motive for Florida “man’s” gross attack on free speech and human rights.

SAD!!!

BabyBoobs

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It was 100% punitive. They spoke out against his "don't say gay" legislation and he took revenge. This was never on his radar prior to it. The sad part is that there is actually a need to pull Disney into line but the Florida republicans wrote the legislation with vengeance in mind instead of good governance. There are a ton of financial issues which they have just glossed over because they haven't taken the time to understand them. This is going to be a mess.

Exactly,and the mess ( burden of the debenture) will fall on the taxpayers of Florida now,instead of just on the district (Disney) .But boomer and crew only care about the "owning", and I should point out,are also not residents of Florida...

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

You haven't even read the bill. You're just regurgitating the talking points with no real interest in the well being of Florida, Orange and Osceola counties or the citizens of Florida. Your only interest is picking a side in which you believe the libs will be owned.

That's what you care about - owning the libs. That only.

You really should read it. And I can assure you I have no interest in “owning” left wing feminist screamers on Lit.