Hi-Point 10mm: The 10mm No One Wanted

[DeluxAuto]

The founding fathers never anticipated automatic weapons in the hands of 6 year olds in school houses committing attempted murder.

The "mah freedumbs!" take is an ignorant copout.

Yes, you did. You said a 6-year old with an automatic weapon tried to kill a teacher. Probably stems from your ignorance of the difference between automatic and semiautomatic. And based on the "mah freedoms"-bit, it's a safe assumption you are anti-2A.

Learn to read, Fool.

 

[schism666]

I didn't lie at all, learn your words. And again, I ask, where the fuck do you get that I'm anti-2A? That's an ascription and a blatant lie.

did bobo finally figure out how to use spellcheck?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

And making fun of account names is a show of "intellectual wherewithal "?

Seriously, you're now playing the "victim card" with a name you picked...*chuckles*

 

[Fuzzy1975]

did bobo finally figure out how to use spellcheck?

Atleast the username fits now, none of that botany shit....

 

[TrailerHitch]

At this point in history, you are correct. However that was not the case a few hundred years ago. That is the point, the Fire Lance was designed to kill people. It was from this that all other firearm development began. So at any point it is disingenuous at best, out right lying at worse to state that firearms are designed for anything other than killing. In the modern world of today, some are better at killing people, others at killing prey. Some are really only good for making holes in targets,but still if they are used improperly, and they too can kill.

I also never said that firearms are the only weapon that can kill. Why do people go off on these stupid childish diversions. Hell you can claim a puddle of water can kill, and you'd be correct,if you really wish to get that pedantic.

The point to understand is simple, firearms make great killing weapons, far superior to just about every other device that can be used to kill, with the exception of even bigger firearms ( canons,mortars, howitzers etc, you get the idea), or explosive devices.

Just as with the knife, bat, hammer, or automobile, guns are only deadly if the user decides to make it so.

The greatest issue with gun violence is the failure of the legal system to adequately punish any use of a gun in a crime, whether it is fired or not. I have suggested for years that the mere presence of a gun during the commission of a crime should be a mandatory 5 year sentence in state prison. This is not plea bargain accessible or early parole capable. If the gun is brandished during a crime the sentence should be 10 years in state prison. If the gun is fired, 20 years in state prison. If some one is shot or killed life in prison in states with no death penalty and death penalty if the victim dies.

The second greatest issue with gun violence is the deimation of the mental health care system in this country. It is damn near impossible to get a violence prone individual with no record taken in for a 72 hour psycvhe hold and evaluation. So many shootings here the cries of nobody would help us from the shooters family. They klnew the danger and were rebuffed by a broken system.

 

[ll74]

Just as with the knife, bat, hammer, or automobile, guns are only deadly if the user decides to make it so.

And unlike a knife, bat, hamper or automobile - AR -15s are deadly at higher rates.

 

[phrodeau]

The second greatest issue with gun violence is the deimation of the mental health care system in this country. It is damn near impossible to get a violence prone individual with no record taken in for a 72 hour psycvhe hold and evaluation.

More states need to pass red flag laws, but the recent Bipartisan Safer Communities Act will be helpful.

 

[TrailerHitch]

More states need to pass red flag laws, but the recent Bipartisan Safer Communities Act will be helpful.

The problem with red flag laws is they will be used illegally to remove fire arms from innocent people by corrupt neighbors and government agencies. Because anyone can make an accusation that someone poses a threat and then you have to prove you don't.

 

[phrodeau]

The problem with red flag laws is they will be used illegally to remove fire arms from innocent people by corrupt neighbors and government agencies. Because anyone can make an accusation that someone poses a threat and then you have to prove you don't.

Depends how they’re written, and most require court action. Judges rule on evidence, not accusations.

 

[JohnEBbad]

Schizm...

Thanks for the vanity plate.

 

[schism666]

Schizm...

Thanks for the vanity plate.

who is "Schizm?" if it's me, i haven't addressed you in this thread, hypocreep. has senility finally fully taken over?

 

[JohnEBbad]

Every time you post, your tribute sigline addresses me directly.

You give me every right, nay you demand, my reply to each and every one of your posts.

I am flattered by your obsession even if I'm not too happy about it, but, it is what it is.
Little people with small minds need windmills to tilt at at order to give themselves validation and meaning.

 

[schism666]

Every time you post, your tribute sigline addresses me directly.

You give me every right, nay you demand, my reply to each and every one of your posts.

I am flattered by your obsession even if I'm not too happy about it, but, it is what it is.
Little people with small minds need windmills to tilt at at order to give themselves validation and meaning.

for someone who claims to have me on ignore and siglines turned off, you sure do respond to me a lot and are aware of my singline.

 

[JohnEBbad]

I never claimed to have you on ignore.

I have told you that I tend to ignore you.

But today, boredom carves out an exception for you. Aren't you "special"!

 

[phrodeau]

AJ’s a windmill now. I wonder if he causes cancer.

 

[schism666]

no. he's a cancer who generates hot air.

 

[TrailerHitch]

And unlike a knife, bat, hamper or automobile - AR -15s are deadly at higher rates.

How unoriginal...The blame the AR-15 blather.

 

[ll74]

How unoriginal...The blame the AR-15 blather.

Sorry to disappoint with logic

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Just as with the knife, bat, hammer, or automobile, guns are only deadly if the user decides to make it so.

Pedantic to point of absurdity. Firearms are design to kill, that is their base function. I am not about to debate using a handgun to drive a nail, anymore than I am about using a knife to stab.

The greatest issue with gun violence is the failure of the legal system to adequately punish any use of a gun in a crime, whether it is fired or not. I have suggested for years that the mere presence of a gun during the commission of a crime should be a mandatory 5 year sentence in state prison. This is not plea bargain accessible or early parole capable. If the gun is brandished during a crime the sentence should be 10 years in state prison. If the gun is fired, 20 years in state prison. If some one is shot or killed life in prison in states with no death penalty and death penalty if the victim dies.

So to you the issues lies with the legal system. No thoughts to lack of mandatory training in the use of firearms before ownership? Far as I recall the Military places high value in training. You don't enlist and just grab an M-16 and start making holes in targets or people....

The second greatest issue with gun violence is the deimation of the mental health care system in this country. It is damn near impossible to get a violence prone individual with no record taken in for a 72 hour psycvhe hold and evaluation. So many shootings here the cries of nobody would help us from the shooters family. They klnew the danger and were rebuffed by a broken system.

Mental health is second, again where does mandatory training come in before allowing possession/ ownership?

Is it third, is it even in your top ten?

While you do raise some valid points, on my list the two you stated don't even make the top ten.

Firearms are a great tool, and can be an asset, or they can be a weapon used to create havoc depending upon the way the person possessing them uses them. To me, the area of conversation should be about which firearms should be allowed by law to be in the hands of people in general,and which firearms the general population should not ever have access to. After that comes training and handling in their usage.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Hi-Points are crap.