It's true Racists and Racism exist....just look at youWatch me not care.
If I am a racist, racism is true.
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Thats not how it works.
Why? you won't believe, or more to the point even understand the data. However a quick google search would lead you there, but I doubt you will even go. As I said early I am way past entering in any "debate" with a Racist piece of shit like you....as I said many times already...Fuck off and die.
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The truth of what you call "racism" is obvious to anyone who has had extensive experience with the three major races. You know that what I say is true. All you can do is to jump up and down, wave your arms, and yell, "Racist! Racist! Racist!" while repeating death threats.
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Over the years I have learned to respect the opinions of people who have had different experiences than mine. I have nearly always had positive experiences with Chinese. The one negative experience was too trivial to mention.
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Well, it seems to me that if there are two racial groups that can live side by side in harmony, it appears to be whites and Asians. (Of course he means Orientals.)
- Jared Taylor, from “Interview with Professor Arthur Jensen
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Asians have faced fierce discrimination in America, but this has not stopped them from working hard and getting ahead.In fact, they have been so successful in "racist" America that whites have even begun to complain about Asian achievement.
Whether one looks at Japanese and Chinese, who have been in America for generations, or Koreans and Vietnamese, who have arrived more recently, Asians have been remarkably successful...
The achievements of more recent Asian immigrants have been well publicized. Everyone has heard of Vietnamese children who came to America unable to speak English and then, a few yearslater, graduated at the tops of their high-school classes...
Throughout this period of constant prejudice and persecution, Chinese worked hard, saved their money, and built better lives for themselves. By the time they had full, legal standing in this country, many Chinese had incomes comparable to those of native-born whites.
By 1969, Chinese as a group outearned Italian, German, and even Anglo-Saxon Americans.
During the 1960s, Chinatown was the part of San Francisco with the most unemployment and poverty, the highest rate of tuberculosis, the least education, and the most substandard housing. Nevertheless, in 1965, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the whole state of California.
- Jared Taylor, from Paved with Good Intentions
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Wherever you look, Asians outperform whites academically and financially...
we have a considerably less than one standard deviation difference between Asian IQ — North Asian IQ — and white IQ. I think that, too, is a result of genetics, and I think that that is what explains the dominance of Asians in certain fields, and their lower rates of illegitimacy compared to whites, their lower crime rates, their better achievement in school, their higher average incomes...
I think Asians are objectively superior to whites by just about any measure that you can come up with in terms of what are the ingredients for a successful society.
- Jared Taylor, Interview
- Jared Taylor, from “Interview with Professor Arthur Jensen
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Asians have faced fierce discrimination in America, but this has not stopped them from working hard and getting ahead.In fact, they have been so successful in "racist" America that whites have even begun to complain about Asian achievement.
Whether one looks at Japanese and Chinese, who have been in America for generations, or Koreans and Vietnamese, who have arrived more recently, Asians have been remarkably successful...
The achievements of more recent Asian immigrants have been well publicized. Everyone has heard of Vietnamese children who came to America unable to speak English and then, a few yearslater, graduated at the tops of their high-school classes...
Throughout this period of constant prejudice and persecution, Chinese worked hard, saved their money, and built better lives for themselves. By the time they had full, legal standing in this country, many Chinese had incomes comparable to those of native-born whites.
By 1969, Chinese as a group outearned Italian, German, and even Anglo-Saxon Americans.
During the 1960s, Chinatown was the part of San Francisco with the most unemployment and poverty, the highest rate of tuberculosis, the least education, and the most substandard housing. Nevertheless, in 1965, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the whole state of California.
- Jared Taylor, from Paved with Good Intentions
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Wherever you look, Asians outperform whites academically and financially...
we have a considerably less than one standard deviation difference between Asian IQ — North Asian IQ — and white IQ. I think that, too, is a result of genetics, and I think that that is what explains the dominance of Asians in certain fields, and their lower rates of illegitimacy compared to whites, their lower crime rates, their better achievement in school, their higher average incomes...
I think Asians are objectively superior to whites by just about any measure that you can come up with in terms of what are the ingredients for a successful society.
- Jared Taylor, Interview
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Weird.....I never had any issues living next to my black neighbors. Jared apparently would've had some issues there. Wonder why.
I've lived next to a. Asian couple before. Never talked to them for longer than 2 or 3 mins. The wife was the worst driver I've ever known
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The Decline of the United States and the Rise of China, by John Engelman
Reviewed in the United States on December 14, 2021
Principles for Dealing with the Changing World Order, by Ray Dalio, explains why the United States succeeded in becoming the dominant country in the world. It also explains why the United States is in decline, and more ominously, why Communist China is ascending.
Dalio’s book is refreshingly free of the ideological biases that often distort an explanation like this. Typically one blames what is universally deplored on what one personally dislikes.
Ray Dialio sees the growing income gap as a problem. Because he is a self made billionaire investor his opinions about economic inequality cannot be dismissed as “the politics of envy.”
Dialio’s main concern is with the rise of China and the decline of the United States. He also discusses how the Netherlands and Great Britain passed through the same cycle he claims that China and the United States are passing through. He mentions earlier nations which previously dominated the West, or the world. These include Macedonia, Rome, the Arabs, the Mongols, China, and the Ottoman Turks. With the exception of China, these never regained world dominance after they lost it.
Dialio claims that dominant nations go through six stages:
“Stage 1, when the new order begins and the new leadership consolidates power;”
“Stage 2, when the resource – allocation system system and government bureaucracies are built and refined.”
In the first two states the people of a soon to become dominant nation interact harmoniously. They work hard, save their money, and stay out of debt personally, and nationally. Those who perform well are rewarded, but economic inequality does not reach high levels.
“Stage 3, when there is peace and prosperity.” During this time the descendants of those who lived through the first two stages become less interested in saving money and more interested in spending it, and enjoying life.
“Stage 4, when there are great excesses in spending and debt, and the widening of wealth and political gaps.”
“Stage 5, when there are very bad financial conditions and intense conflict,” and finally,
“Stage 6, when there are civil wars/revolutions.”
Dalio believes that China is passing from Stage 2 to Stage 3, and that the United States is in Stage 5.
This scenario does not explain the American Revolution and the American Civil War. Neither was preceded by bad economic times. Efforts by the British Parliament to make the colonists pay their share of the costs of the French and Indian War were irritating to the colonists, but not impoverishing. The British victory in the French and Indian War created economic opportunities for the colonists.
Similarly, the decade leading up to the American Civil War was not a time of economic decline and distress. The United States quickly climbed out of a recession in 1856. Few whites in the North would benefit economically by freeing the slaves. Most whites in the South would benefit economically if the slaves were freed. Family farms in the South could not compete with plantations worked by slaves. Nearly every skilled trade and profession paid less in the slave states than in the free states.
Nevertheless, more Americans died during the American Civil War than in all the other wars the United States has fought. The American Revolution and the American Civil War happened for reasons not explained in this book. Moreover, the Netherlands and Great Britain never passed into Stage 6. Nevertheless, Dalio’s postulated sequence does seem to explain what has been happening to China and the United States.
China is the only nation that has recovered from national declines. He provides a chart that shows that a cycle happened in each Chinese dynasty. I think another reason the dynasties rose and fell was because of problems inherent with the dynastic principle. Dynasties have been established by men who are charismatic, effective political leaders, and military geniuses.
With each generation the man who inherits the throne is likely to be progressively less talented than the man who created it. This is due to a well understood genetic phenomenon called “reversion to the average.” Exceptional characteristics are caused by rare and recessive gene alleles that are unlikely to match in the children of exceptional parents.
The Chinese benefit from a characteristic not mentioned in this book. Everywhere they live Chinese tend to be intelligent, obedient to the law, and monogamous. This is true even when they are poor and persecuted.
This gives the Chinese nation the ability to recover quickly from the bad decisions of incompetent leaders. It enables them to respond quickly to the good decisions of competent leaders, like they are doing now.
This also gives the Chinese nation an advantage over a multi racial country like the United States. We include races with average characteristics not conducive to creating and maintaining successful societies and civilizations. When the United States was ascending, ninety percent of the population was white. Most blacks were restricted to second class citizenship, despite the obvious intentions of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments.
While the Chinese are perfecting their meritocracy we are using affirmative action programs to achieve diversity, inclusion, and equity. These in turn advance people to positions where they are unable to perform adequately. While Chinese geneticists are looking for gene alleles that influence intelligence, we pretend that the assertions in The Bell Curve, are pseudo science, and that “Race is only a social construct.”
Diversity is not our strength: it is the main reason for the political polarization that makes it difficult for us to solve problems that would have been manageable before 1964.
Like every sensible American, and unlike the insensible Americans I sometimes encounter on the internet, I hope America avoids a civil war or a revolution.
I also expect China to achieve world hegemony by the end of this century, if not sooner. I hope that by the time this happens the Chinese mainland will have adopted a democratic government. The success of democracy in Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan persuades me that democracy would work well on the mainland.
My love for the Chinese people and culture, although not for the present dictatorship, makes me sanguine about a world dominated by a democratic China.
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I couldn't disagree more JE. The structural and financial problems that the CCP has created for itself and the nation are compounding almost daily, right along with the enemies they are making on an almost daily basis.
You speak of China moving towards a democracy. That would be nice but there's no way for them to get there without great internal conflict and there's no guarantee what's going to come out the other side. It took Taiwan almost 50 years to throw off the last vestiges of the Chiang Kai Shek regime. After 30 years Russia is still not anywhere near a democratic nation.
China's demographic profile is collapsing. All of those years of the 'one child' policy has come back to haunt them. The are the fastest aging population in world history, it's unprecedented. By the year 2050, if not sooner, the Chinese population will be half of what it is today. A total collapse of their workforce along with their consumer base. There is nothing the CCP can do to forestall that inevitability.
In a very real sense of the word China is akin to being the Detroit of the world economy. Raw materials are imported (they have few raw materials of their own), processed, and the finished product exported to consumer nations. Chinese labor costs have gone up 14 fold in the past 30 years while productivity has only increased 5 fold. And that disparity between costs and productivity are a direct result of CCP policy. Other nations are slowly replacing China as manufacturing hubs from textiles to consumer electronics.
Then there is the issue of water and food, both of which are in short supply. As a matter of fact the water issue may be the subject that will precipitate a war between China and India with Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam joining with India. There is no doubt that Japan, the US, Australia, and others will render material support to India et al.
The only solution to their raw material problem would be for them to invade Eastern Siberia and that too would precipitate a nuclear conflict.
You speak of China moving towards a democracy. That would be nice but there's no way for them to get there without great internal conflict and there's no guarantee what's going to come out the other side. It took Taiwan almost 50 years to throw off the last vestiges of the Chiang Kai Shek regime. After 30 years Russia is still not anywhere near a democratic nation.
China's demographic profile is collapsing. All of those years of the 'one child' policy has come back to haunt them. The are the fastest aging population in world history, it's unprecedented. By the year 2050, if not sooner, the Chinese population will be half of what it is today. A total collapse of their workforce along with their consumer base. There is nothing the CCP can do to forestall that inevitability.
In a very real sense of the word China is akin to being the Detroit of the world economy. Raw materials are imported (they have few raw materials of their own), processed, and the finished product exported to consumer nations. Chinese labor costs have gone up 14 fold in the past 30 years while productivity has only increased 5 fold. And that disparity between costs and productivity are a direct result of CCP policy. Other nations are slowly replacing China as manufacturing hubs from textiles to consumer electronics.
Then there is the issue of water and food, both of which are in short supply. As a matter of fact the water issue may be the subject that will precipitate a war between China and India with Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam joining with India. There is no doubt that Japan, the US, Australia, and others will render material support to India et al.
The only solution to their raw material problem would be for them to invade Eastern Siberia and that too would precipitate a nuclear conflict.
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Oh look, alarmist bullshit from Ishmael, served up hot 'n fresh this morning.
They have the LARGEST NUMBER of aging people in history in absolute terms by virtue of their population size. China has 1.3 BILLION people (the US by comparison has 300 million or so)
Life expectancy in China is shit...they're not even in the top 50 countries. (Insert "blame socialized medicine" talking point here). Very few people live to see past age 65 in China....they might lose "half their population" (assuming China does not upgrade it's medical infrastructure....which is unlikely) and they still would have 700 million people. Claiming a "total collapse of teh workforce" is wishful thinking.....China won't have near as many elderly in need of support as a of the population.
Here is a good link to list of countries ranked by aging populations: first, top 50 countries ranked by absolute numbers (China is number one), Second, by percentage of older people (China NOT in top 50), and finally by percentage of "super elderly) ...ages 65-74 and ages 75+ (China NOT in top 50) again.
Please note that the headline labels for charts 2 and 3 are reversed, but the underlying chart data is correct.
The bottom line is that once again, shrill Sinophobe Ishmael is cackling with glee over his perception that China is "failing".
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The entirety of this video seems to be that the Chinese system sucks and isn't as good as America so it will fail.
Yes, there are little things that he's right about, but his entire argument boils down to that.
There are a lot of decent people on Lit who recognize China as a repressive economic competitor and security challenge.
Those same decent people also recognize deplorable promoters of domestically dangerous gratuitous racism and xenophobia.
Hope that ^ helps those who struggle with basic decency.
Those same decent people also recognize deplorable promoters of domestically dangerous gratuitous racism and xenophobia.
Hope that ^ helps those who struggle with basic decency.
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Having a differing opinion != Sympathizer.
Strip all references re. the US out of the presentation and what then?
Further the point isn't that China's going to fail because it isn't as good as the US system, the point is that Xi has constructed an inflexible system that is attempting to impose a 'one size fits all' system on a huge and diverse nation. The Soviet Union lasted for 70 years under a very similar system and China is right on that "best used by" date itself. Don't confuse the assessment of the Chinese system (the CCP) with and indictment of China as a whole.
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What? His entire video relies on his assessment of China versus the US.
Theyve had a centralized system since 1921. I don't see Xi lasting much longer, but I also don't see the government being changed.
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What does that mean?
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They are two independent governments/countries. I live in the US and have no desire to move there. Is that sufficient for picking or is this a choice where I must root for one country to win and the other to lose in some way?
Last I checked, we're not in a war against each other. No sporting events that I'm aware of. We're both in a global economy...so theres not a winner and a loser there.
So what does "pick a side" mean?
Actually they haven't. Until Mao China's history has been one of tribal conflict and civil war.
Xi has made himself the government, and that begs the question, "can the government survive Xi?" Better yet, can you liberalize the economy and encourage education while still subjecting the populace to totalitarian control?
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I think the question of whether Xi sustains exists. But I think the government is stronger than the man and I think the people are stronger as well
And once he's gone, I think the progressiveness of his predecessor will return.
The people are wanting it.
You can think any damn thing you want, and truth be told I hope you're right. Unfortunately for both of us history only gives that a marginal chance. The dissolution of any government is rife with peril, this is especially true in the case where there is no organized opposition to step in. In China's case we're looking at the military, an indoctrinated military, and I don't see that as a positive step forward. Kinda like trading the Shah for the Supreme Leader. The best resolution, as far as I can tell, is for the nation to fractionalize and they'll be too busy fighting among themselves to molest others.
Regardless of how that all plays out the upset to the world economy is going to be a shock to the system.
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Maybe N Korea's style of governance is having a bigger influence on China than all those supposed bureaucratic experts believe.
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