rail strike - simple answer.

[Kindfarmer]

You're so funny some times...

Let's talk about "employment" for a second. Employment with the RR means you work according to a "contract." A "contract" consists of the terms between the parties. In this case, the "contract" also has a timeframe - a term of years - before it CEASES TO EXIST.

You know what happens when the contract which outlines the working conditions you're employed under stops being effective? "You're fired" are the words that immediately come to mind. Each and every one of you.

As a now terminated employee you have a choice, you can ask the boss to reinstate you on the same terms or plead for mercy as a new contract is negotiated with a company which has a demonstrated history of being hardline. AND, in the end when the new contract is hammered out, you again have 2 choices... accept it as written, or walk away.

Because NO ONE forces you to work for anyone else.

So, in regards to "the deal", if the employees don't like it, then can take their bullshit union ideas and go home. If that means that the RR's can't operate safely then they have a choice... hire people on the terms the employees want, or go bankrupt.

Which means that this agreement between the RR and the employees/union is about as perfect as it can be because neither side gets everything it wants and both sides had to compromise in order to get the agreement done because both sides have a vested interest in making it work. And we the consumers continue to get our crap shipped straight to us in a timely manner.

Which sounds perfect to me.

I still say to end ALL of the Federal subsidies for the RR's. If they can't operate on their own without government money, F 'em.

The only railroad entity that I know of that receives a subsidy is Amtrak. Fucking ridiculous. That whole situation is embarrassing for the country not just the Democrats. Railroads and their employees are private entities. In no way there’s 110 fucking grand with not many side benefits cover being away from your people audit three or four days a month. It’s a shitty fucking existence. It would take seven figures minimum for me to even think about that shit. I’m not sure I would do it for any amount of money. My personal life decisions are not relevant I suppose but still. The average person considers time with the people they love wealth. Have to really strap it on and be lucky in the sense, and the serendipity of life to even have a full-time stay at home mom for the kids. Personally I would consider 110 grand with not many benefits the very bottom of middle class or the start of it going up.

 

[ll74]

I favor a strong Union but I don't fault the Administration for pushing the deal

 

[Kindfarmer]

hate to break the reality of this world -
but one and done isn't reality.
they still have a union, go back regroup, try again.

I never even insinuated let alone said such. But if you want to get down to brass tacks, that’s essentially what it does. If they all walked out after this agreement, that they didn’t agree to, they could be replaced with no legal recourse. The right to strike with no Scab replacements, a legal or real world possibility, is my far the most powerful tool in the union could have. And the most important concerning leverage and equal negotiating power. It doesn’t exist here.
It is a union in name only. No I don’t care if you make 500 per week or 5000, you’re probably broke or overdrawn the day before payday and you certainly cannot take a hit in income without rearranging your life. You’re speaking of issues you don’t understand.

 

[Kindfarmer]

I favor a strong Union but I don't fault the Administration for pushing the deal

How very Democrat constituent of you…….

It’s fucked. You’re either pro people or pro corporations. It’s been obvious to anyone that is aware that the Democratic Party is a corporate donor lapdog since Bill Clinton.

 

[Kindfarmer]

I favor a strong Union but I don't fault the Administration for pushing the deal

One other thing. There was no fucking “deal” it was an agreement that one party did not agree to. Jesus if that doesn’t make it illegitimate I don’t know what that!

 

[ll74]

How very Democrat constituent of you…….

It’s fucked. You’re either pro people or pro corporations. It’s been obvious to anyone that is aware that the Democratic Party is a corporate donor lapdog since Bill Clinton.

Unions enable workers to have a strong voice in labor negotiations. Whether that makes me a Democrat or not to support workers is irrelevant to me.

The government has a responsibility to the economy

 

[Kindfarmer]

hate to break the reality of this world -
but one and done isn't reality.
they still have a union, go back regroup, try again.

I’m still head spinning over that comment. The choice is either corporate or labor. It was a clear choice of corporate. I mean there’s no fucking gray area here.

 

[ll74]

One other thing. There was no fucking “deal” it was an agreement that one party did not agree to. Jesus if that doesn’t make it illegitimate I don’t know what that

Obfuscation.

8/12 unions agreed to the deal.

 

[Kindfarmer]

Unions enable workers to have a strong voice in labor negotiations. Whether that makes me a Democrat or not to support workers is irrelevant to me.

The government has a responsibility to the economy

Wut? They have a responsibility to “We the People”. Now how long do you think it would really take in the busiest retail month of the year for the railroads to actually adjust their attitude? I doubt sincerely if it would have much affect on our overall economy. It was a purely politically convenient and liability asset sheet removal gig. The biggest factor of the decision, obviously the uptake of it all and defending it to the ignorant masses of the electorate. They certainly don’t have the time or energy for such thing. I think Christmas break starts Monday for them. When I said earlier that we are fighting the battle of our grandparents fought, it’s the gods honest truth. The fuck is wrong with people?

 

[Kindfarmer]

Obfuscation.

8/12 unions agreed to the

That’s a bit disingenuous. Sure they did as opposed to returning to the agreement they were striking over. C’on man. If I give you a sandwich fries and a drink and then say you can have a couple snickers afterwards. Why would you ever want to go back to the sandwich fries and a drink. We all like Snickers. Terrible metaphoric analogy to match your terrible take.

 

[ll74]

Wut? They have a responsibility to “We the People”. Now how long do you think it would really take in the busiest retail month of the year for the railroads to actually adjust their attitude? I doubt sincerely if it would have much affect on our overall economy. It was a purely politically convenient and liability asset sheet removal gig. The biggest factor of the decision, obviously the uptake of it all and defending it to the ignorant masses of the electorate. They certainly don’t have the time or energy for such thing. I think Christmas break starts Monday for them. When I said earlier that we are fighting the battle of our grandparents fought, it’s the gods honest truth. The fuck is wrong with people?

Who do you think runs the economy? Who is impacted by the economy the most?

 

[Kindfarmer]

My apologies I don’t know how the fuck I did that. Pardon my platform logistical ignorance.

 

[Kindfarmer]

Who do you think runs the economy? Who is impacted by the economy the most?

That’s obvious. The point is two or three days and there would’ve been some serious negotiations. Four days would’ve been a token. Five days and it would’ve been seven.

 

[ll74]

That’s obvious. The point is two or three days and there would’ve been some serious negotiations. Four days would’ve been a token. Five days and it would’ve been seven.

Wtf does that mean?

 

[Kindfarmer]

That’s obvious. And again, not relevant. Another reason he signed it yesterday. The leverage applied on him by the donor class was want me to happen. Everyone knew that the corporate executives would have to acquiesce soon. The point is two or three days and there would’ve been some serious negotiations. Four days would’ve been a token. Five days and it would’ve been seven. Have you seen the past few quarterly reports from railroads?

 

[Kindfarmer]

Wtf does that mean?

It would’ve been a quick agreement. Two or three days of strike would’ve resulted in a four-day offer of sick leave from management and five days of strike would’ve brought an agreement of seven days per year. That’s why there was so much pressure on the administration to acquiesce to management.

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

You know, I gave it an honest effort for the second time. You’re insufferable.

Coming from a leftoid I take that as a compliment, thank you!

I’m not gonna justifying that fecal matter gibberish with a reply.

Ya really can't, not without looking like a commie dipshit.

A complete waste of time and energy. I could buy you all the books in the library and you would just eat the pages . See you in the funny papers, Kevin.

I already own all the good ones and nah I'll be a in the business section, real world adult stuff. It's the socialist crybabies who are forever stuck in the funny papers.

 

[ll74]

It would’ve been a quick agreement. Two or three days of strike would’ve resulted in a four-day offer of sick leave from management and five days of strike would’ve brought an agreement of seven days per year. That’s why there was so much pressure on the administration to acquiesce to management.

They ve been in negotiations for months. The concept of a "quick agreement" makes no sense.

 

[Kindfarmer]

Who do you think runs the economy? Who is impacted by the economy the most?

Immediacy is more urgent to the management side of the table by coincidence of market factors that are extremely rare. Not only is it the biggest retail time of the entire year but railroads are currently receiving way more than their normal market share of transportation because of the water level of the Mississippi river. Every single day is important to management. Their only responsibility is fiduciary, to the stockholders. We both know that. These factors lead to an urgency that amounted to ultimatums, I’m sure.

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

They ve been in negotiations for months. The concept of a "quick agreement" makes no sense.

You're talking to someone clueless enough to post this.....

Labor capital is the only capital that is not expendable.

 

[Kindfarmer]

They ve been in negotiations for months. The concept of a "quick agreement" makes no sense.

I had just addressed that in my previous reply. Not to mention, they haven’t been on strike yet. Without the administrations interference, that was a real possibility this week. Very real. Come on. Please keep in mind who the fuck you’re addressing

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

It’s fucked. You’re either pro people or pro corporations.

Corporations are people.

 

[Kindfarmer]

They ve been in negotiations for months. The concept of a "quick agreement" makes no sense.

Simply put, as I stated earlier. If a union does not have the right to strike, it’s a union in name only. leverage has been removed.

 

[ll74]

Simply put, as I stated earlier. If a union does not have the right to strike, it’s a union in name only. leverage has been removed.

They have a right to strike and the government has a legal right to block them for specific reasons as written into the law.

 

[Kindfarmer]

They have a right to strike and the government has a legal right to block them for specific reasons as written into the law.

Pffft

One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.


You say that as if some corporate lobbyist didn’t write that legislation. Do better.