Famine

[ll74]

The only thing they produce are litters of children they cannot afford to raise. Most of those children are illegitimate.

When Aid for Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) was introduced during the Franklin Roosevelt administration it was restricted to widows, deserted wives, and their legitimate children. We should go back to those restrictions. Responsible married couples should not be taxes to support the horrid little monsters of unmarried welfare mothers, violent street criminals, and drug dealers. For genetic reasons the vast majority of them grow up to be just as useless, worthless, and dangerous as their unmarried parents.

Yes, please expand on what you mean by "those people". Train wrecks continue to be fun to watch

 

[Champakian]

He does do a pretty good job of destroying the Democrat narrative that all of the Racism is on the Right...

He's different that Robbie, zip, Pooks and the others who try and keep
it (and anti-Semitism) close to their vest while trying to act
as if it's not them, it's anyone who points it out...

Unlike them. He's truly honest
(and self-aware).

 

[ll74]

He does do a pretty good job of destroying the Democrat narrative that all of the Racism is on the Right...

He's different that Robbie, zip, Pooks and the others who try and keep
it (and anti-Semitism) close to their vest while trying to act
as if it's not them, it's anyone who points it out...

Unlike them. He's truly honest
(and self-aware).

He can't just admit his complete hatred of blacks. Always has to rationalize it with some statistic that he thinks supports his hatred....like somehow we all should also hate blacks for ruining the world.

Ive seen similar people on other platforms doing the same thing about Muslims.

 

[Champakian]

You have to admit that the two groups (if you include the Democrat Left, three)
are inculcated with the lessons/reasons to hate by their leadership,
vested in the hatred because of the power imbued...

Hoffer's True Believers.

 

[Chobham]

How in the world did this thread swerve into 'racism?'

The problem going forward as I see it is that the government is going to have to pump even more money into the economy in the form of the supplemental food programs and that is exactly what you don't want to do with inflation running amok. Another alternative is to halt the export of any fuel and food. And while that act will ameliorate any effects felt in the US it will exasperate the world shortages and make any subsequent destabilization's and conflicts there from even worse. One of the nations that will suffer the most is China and invading Taiwan not only won't solve any fuel/food shortage it would actually make it worse.

 

[Champakian]

All of the threads devolve into either Racism or Trump
the latter of which is just a Leftist dog whistle
for the former...

 

[Champakian]

... oh, PS...

And you are a dog whistle for Trump.



Ironically, so am I because, I am off the reservation.

 

[Champakian]

Our (domestic) shortages are caused by rainbows, skittles and unicorns;
snowflakes who find nothing but fear and the devil in progress
and oppression and exploitation in wealth.

 

[icanhelp1]

That's dumb. We have learned to produce more but we shouldn't share it with other humans because they live somewhere else and should just die because they didn't figure it out also.

If we want an efficient effective conversion over to renewable green energy, an energy capacity that allows humankind to live comfortably, reduce CO2 in the atmosphere, cut down on pollution and reduce our carbon footprint then a serious look at population control is essential. Feeding more people to have more people is not a workable solution.

Before you idiots take out of context what I'm suggesting or somehow suggest that we should kill off billions of people, I'm suggesting teaching poorer countries some sort of birth control, providing scientific and medical assistance for family planning. Can't make green energy - *fossil fuels* work if the population on the planet continues to skyrocket.

 

[Chobham]

And anyone who thinks that diesel running $5+/gal. won't be felt at the grocery store is delusional.

 

[Chobham]

If we want an efficient effective conversion over to renewable green energy, an energy capacity that allows humankind to live comfortably, reduce CO2 in the atmosphere, cut down on pollution and reduce our carbon footprint then a serious look at population control is essential. Feeding more people to have more people is not a workable solution.

Before you idiots take out of context what I'm suggesting or somehow suggest that we should kill off billions of people, I'm suggesting teaching poorer countries some sort of birth control, providing scientific and medical assistance for family planning. Can't make green energy - *fossil fuels* work if the population on the planet continues to skyrocket.

Some of that is self correcting. If the demographic information coming out of China can be believed there will be half as many Chinese alive in 2050 as there are today. And they aren't the only ones. Virtually all of the developed world is in a state of population decline. Those areas that are contributing the most to world population growth are the areas that can least afford it and will suffer the most due to a world wide famine.

 

[Champakian]

Maybe, as Heinlein wrote about, we'll grow wheat on the moon and catapult it to India...

 

[ll74]

If we want an efficient effective conversion over to renewable green energy, an energy capacity that allows humankind to live comfortably, reduce CO2 in the atmosphere, cut down on pollution and reduce our carbon footprint then a serious look at population control is essential. Feeding more people to have more people is not a workable solution.

Before you idiots take out of context what I'm suggesting or somehow suggest that we should kill off billions of people, I'm suggesting teaching poorer countries some sort of birth control, providing scientific and medical assistance for family planning. Can't make green energy - *fossil fuels* work if the population on the planet continues to skyrocket.

Yes, education and development continue to be the best approach to solving the world's problems.

 

[LupusDei]

Yes, education and development continue to be the best approach to solving the world's problems.

Indeed. On the topic of population control, according to some surveys females with smartphones plan to have average of 1.4 children or there about.

That implies unrestricted information spaces. And that's where authoritarian "conservative" regimes and ideologies emerge as the biggest threat.

 

[ll74]

Indeed. On the topic of population control, according to some surveys females with smartphones plan to have average of 1.4 children or there about.

That implies unrestricted information spaces. And that's where authoritarian "conservative" regimes and ideologies emerge as the biggest threat.

As far as population control, I think there are two camps of how to handle it. The camp I'm in, is to use new research and discovery in order to address the rise in population. The other camp is basically to pick the survivors and let others die off. (Or make them die off)

Star Trek versus Star Wars - utopia versus dystopia

 

[pecksniff]

See Cornucopian vs. Malthusian debate.

Crank ideas tend to accumulate the farther out to either side one travels along the Cornucopian-Malthusian continuum.

Denial of various environmental issues (such as global warming, ozone depletion, acid rain, etc.) emerges repeatedly from the Cornucopian side. Wishful thinking (as that about abiotic oil) occurs commonly among the crankier types.

On the Malthusian side, one finds hard green ideologies, the more misanthropic forms of the Gaia hypothesis, and associated nature woo. Treehugger.com has characterized predictions of imminent "doom 'n gloom" as "disasterbation".[26] Also on the extreme Malthusian side can be found "lifeboat ethics" (a concept coined by Garrett Hardin[27]) which holds that the poor nations have already become too overpopulated to benefit from help, and which likens the rich nations to lifeboats that will sink if they share their resources and remain afloat if they don't. This view inverts the conventional wisdom by claiming that it is immoral to give aid to the starving, because to do so means the rich and poor nations will both starve. The broader influence of Hardin's line of thought has led to an enthusiasm for highly controversial immigration restrictions in some quarters of the environmental movement.

 

[phrodeau]

Please enlighten us, AJ.

He only returned to this thread for the racism.

 

[pecksniff]

As far as population control, I think there are two camps of how to handle it. The camp I'm in, is to use new research and discovery in order to address the rise in population. The other camp is basically to pick the survivors and let others die off. (Or make them die off)

Star Trek versus Star Wars - utopia versus dystopia

There is a third option: Genetically engineer a plague -- a real one, not that half-ass covid -- one that will reliably kill off at least half the global population, at random, affecting all nations and all social classes equally.

Hail Thanos!

 

[ll74]

There is a third option: Genetically engineer a plague -- a real one, not that half-ass covid -- one that will reliably kill off at least half the global population, at random, affecting all nations and all social classes equally.

Hail Thanos!

That's actually the same as the second one...just with a science twist to it

 

[pecksniff]

That's actually the same as the second one...just with a science twist to it

No, because it's indiscriminate -- nobody gets to "pick the survivors."

Ideally, the disease would be time-delayed -- that is, it gets into everybody's body, all over the world, a few weeks before anybody dies of it. At which point any individual's survival is purely a coin toss. Nobody gets to pull a Prospero and hole up in safety and wait it out.

 

[ll74]

No, because it's indiscriminate -- nobody gets to "pick the survivors."

Ideally, the disease would be time-delayed -- that is, it gets into everybody's body, all over the world, a few weeks before anybody dies of it. At which point any individual's survival is purely a coin toss. Nobody gets to pull a Prospero and hole up in safety and wait it out.

Kinda feel like you've put way too much thought into that one

 

[Chobham]

Food prices.

 

[Champakian]

Did you also notice the articles about Chinese corn not being planted
due to the lockdowns over the Corona virus that is not killing anyone
by their count and, which, btw, unlike the non-CCP world, was "cured?"

Maybe we should stop being stupid and go back to growing corn for food
instead of the fuel that was going to be renewable and make us
energy independent along with all those windmills and panels.

(Panels made in China, when they're not locked down).

 

[Chobham]

Yeah, I saw that. The Chinese are in deep shit right along with the Mid-East, Africa, and South/Central America.

That just might happen. Grain prices are such that growing for the food market will be considerably more profitable than the ethanol subsidies. Of course you know what that will do to gas prices? As a matter of fact due to the EPA mandates on Ethanol fuel we might have serious shortages. No Ethanol, no gas for the pump.

Gotta love those unintended consequences.

 

[Champakian]

Hits minorities, women, children and Californians the hardest.

The latter, I can most certainly live with.

(Just not, literally, here.)