Famine

[Chobham]

It's coming. Oh, not necessarily to the US but it's going to get real ugly out there long about the late third and fourth quarter of this year.

Biden's energy policies and the Russian invasion of Ukraine are creating the perfect storm of food shortages.

Some facts.

Russia, the worlds largest exporter of wheat has invaded Ukraine, the worlds number 5 exporter. Russia is unable to export this year (except to China) and Ukraine isn't going to get their crops in the ground.

There is already a world wide shortage of fertilizer. Russia is the worlds largest exporter of fertilizer, now embargoed. Russia and Belarus combined are the worlds largest exporter of Potash. Many farmers will be growing this year without fertilizer with the commiserate decrease in crop yields.

Nitrogen fertilizer is made from Methane (natural gas). The US could begin making Nitrogen based fertilizer if we had ample supplies of the gas..................we don't. And it would take time to expand those plants that do produce Nitrogen fertilizer if we did.

Potash is mined and between Canada and the US enough could be mined to cover domestic needs. Expansion of those operations will take time as well and time has run out.

Food prices are going to skyrocket in those nations where the food is even available while those nations wholly dependent on imports are going to spiral into civil unrest and social upheaval, always the product of famine.

The consequences of stupid decisions made by less than wise leaders ripple across the globe.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Eh. My pantry is full. It's almost ramp and morel season. Spring turkey season is next week. The rivers are always full of fish. The local farmers will be planting soon. Plenty to eat here.

 

[Chernosoth]

Industrial scale farming is failing or will fail everywhere. The model of sterilizing the soil then flooding it with chemical fertilizers and pesticides has been profitable for decades, but that run is ending. Food will get more expensive and more local.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Industrial scale farming is failing or will fail everywhere. The model of sterilizing the soil then flooding it with chemical fertilizers and pesticides has been profitable for decades, but that run is ending. Food will get more expensive and more local.

Dunno... Monsanto throws a lot of money to the politicians to protect their empire.

 

[ll74]

Yes, Putin has created a situation which will lead to famine across the world and he can singlehandedly stop it from happening by withdrawing from his unilateral war.

 

[Chobham]

Yes, Putin has created a situation which will lead to famine across the world and he can singlehandedly stop it from happening by withdrawing from his unilateral war.

Too late now.

 

[ll74]

Too late now.

It might be. Again, that's up to Putin.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Look up the OP's other "prediction" threads under his previous name "Ishmael." His Nostradumbass impersonation is better than any living comedian.

 

[Fermina_Daza]

Yes, Putin has created a situation which will lead to famine across the world and he can singlehandedly stop it from happening by withdrawing from his unilateral war.

Are you saying Putin is going to use the pull-out method? I heard that's not very reliable.

 

[mayfly13]

Look up the OP's other "prediction" threads under his previous name "Ishmael." His Nostradumbass impersonation is better than any living comedian.

so is Chobham Ish, as Luk says?
I thought that Chobham is Que. Btw what's Q's new ID?

Now I'm going to pay more attention to his posts, many conservative posts (Q's included) are good but Ish's are particularly informative.

Chob-Champ rhyme btw

 

[phrodeau]

I’ve been hearing for years that increased atmospheric CO2 would make crops grow like gangbusters, and climate change would create huge expanses of arable land where there was none before. I guess that’s not going to be happening.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Now I'm going to pay more attention to his posts, many conservative posts (Q's included) are good but Ish's are particularly informative.

Chob-Champ rhyme btw

What?

So much stupid, where to begin?

 

[Champakian]

It's coming. Oh, not necessarily to the US but it's going to get real ugly out there long about the late third and fourth quarter of this year.

Biden's energy policies and the Russian invasion of Ukraine are creating the perfect storm of food shortages.

Some facts.

Russia, the worlds largest exporter of wheat has invaded Ukraine, the worlds number 5 exporter. Russia is unable to export this year (except to China) and Ukraine isn't going to get their crops in the ground.

There is already a world wide shortage of fertilizer. Russia is the worlds largest exporter of fertilizer, now embargoed. Russia and Belarus combined are the worlds largest exporter of Potash. Many farmers will be growing this year without fertilizer with the commiserate decrease in crop yields.

Nitrogen fertilizer is made from Methane (natural gas). The US could begin making Nitrogen based fertilizer if we had ample supplies of the gas..................we don't. And it would take time to expand those plants that do produce Nitrogen fertilizer if we did.

Potash is mined and between Canada and the US enough could be mined to cover domestic needs. Expansion of those operations will take time as well and time has run out.

Food prices are going to skyrocket in those nations where the food is even available while those nations wholly dependent on imports are going to spiral into civil unrest and social upheaval, always the product of famine.

The consequences of stupid decisions made by less than wise leaders ripple across the globe.

Aren't we supposed to eat more lentils anyway?

 

[Champakian]

Eh. My pantry is full. It's almost ramp and morel season. Spring turkey season is next week. The rivers are always full of fish. The local farmers will be planting soon. Plenty to eat here.

It's true. We're not worried about food shortages.
If I have to, there's squirrel too...

 

[Champakian]

Industrial scale farming is failing or will fail everywhere. The model of sterilizing the soil then flooding it with chemical fertilizers and pesticides has been profitable for decades, but that run is ending. Food will get more expensive and more local.

These doom and gloom prognostications always hold technology constant.

 

[Champakian]

I’ve been hearing for years that increased atmospheric CO2 would make crops grow like gangbusters, and climate change would create huge expanses of arable land where there was none before. I guess that’s not going to be happening.

You really are clueless as to the forces involved in this scenario aren't you?

 

[LupusDei]

A bit overlooked fact is, in a year over year, Russia has actually recently increased food exports despite own claims. So they're trying to profit on war where they can. Not huge, not surprising.

Also, by chance of distressed circumstances India has record amounts of farming expansion ongoing and now further expected. They can't replace the same staples one-on-one in places like North Africa, but with some adapting the actual "global" famine should be possible to be averted.

Sure, the current crisis in Pakistan may yet have effects...

 

[The_Trouvere]

Long before the War in the Ukraine the inhabitants of sub Saharan Africa have been on life support. Without food aid from the West, medical assistance from the West, and peace keeping forces from the West, the sub Saharan population will crash.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

You really are clueless as to the forces involved in this scenario aren't you?

Please enlighten us, AJ.

 

[Rightguide]

It's true. We're not worried about food shortages.
If I have to, there's squirrel too...

Here's the solution from the looney left:

Time To Eat Bugs? The Lancet's Science-Free Campaign Against Meat​

By Cameron English — March 15, 2022

https://www.acsh.org/news/2022/03/15/time-eat-bugs-lancets-science-free-campaign-against-meat-16184

 

[Rightguide]

Long before the War in the Ukraine the inhabitants of sub Saharan Africa have been on life support. Without food aid from the West, medical assistance from the West, and peace keeping forces from the West, the sub Saharan population will crash.

When a species exceeds the resources of its environment, it dies off, and a more viable ratio of people to resources evolves. We thwart the natural order of things by sending them more food so they can breed themselves into an even more devastating human catastrophe. maybe we should be sending the birth control instead.

 

[ll74]

When a species exceeds the resources of its environment, it dies off, and a more viable ratio of people to resources evolves. We thwart the natural order of things by sending them more food so they can breed themselves into an even more devastating human catastrophe. maybe we should be sending the birth control instead.

That's dumb. We have learned to produce more but we shouldn't share it with other humans because they live somewhere else and should just die because they didn't figure it out also.

 

[phrodeau]

When a species exceeds the resources of its environment, it dies off, and a more viable ratio of people to resources evolves. We thwart the natural order of things by sending them more food so they can breed themselves into an even more devastating human catastrophe. maybe we should be sending the birth control instead.

I agree on one point.

 

[The_Trouvere]

When a species exceeds the resources of its environment, it dies off, and a more viable ratio of people to resources evolves. We thwart the natural order of things by sending them more food so they can breed themselves into an even more devastating human catastrophe. maybe we should be sending the birth control instead.

The more we help them the more they breed. The more they breed the more of them migrate to Europe where there is no use for them. The average IQ of an African negro is 70.

The average IQ of an American Negro is 85. This is partly because of the genetic generosity of white slave owners, and partly because American Negroes benefit from living in a country organized by whites. That is why American Negroes have a higher standard of living and better health than Negroes living in every black run country in the world.

Blacks benefit from our dominance. It cannot be said that we benefit from their presence. They are the reason we have the highest crime rate of any affluent democracy.

If there were virtually no Negroes in the United States the downtown areas of our cities would not be asphalt jungles of crime and moral depravity. They would not be known for the sound of gun fire and police sirens. They would be known for the sound of children playing safely. They would be centers of civilization, known for libraries, museums, art gallerias, book stores, atmospheric restaurants and taverns, theaters, and concert halls. It would be possible for whites and Orientals to watch a movie, or a play, or to attend a concert or ballet that ended at 10:00 PM, and walk safely for two miles to get home.

 

[ll74]

The more we help them the more they breed. The more they breed the more of them migrate to Europe where there is no use for them. The average IQ of an African negro is 70.

The average IQ of an American Negro is 85. This is partly because of the genetic generosity of white slave owners, and partly because American Negroes benefit from living in a country organized by whites. That is why American Negroes have a higher standard of living and better health than Negroes living in every black run country in the world.

Blacks benefit from our dominance. It cannot be said that we benefit from their presence. They are the reason we have the highest crime rate of any affluent democracy.

If there were virtually no Negroes in the United States the downtown areas of our cities would not be asphalt jungles of crime and moral depravity. They would be centers of civilization, known for libraries, museums, art gallerias, book stores, atmospheric restaurants and taverns, theaters, and concert halls. It would be possible for whites and Orientals to watch a movie, or a play, or to attend a concert or ballet that ended at 10:00 PM, and walk safely for two miles to get home.

Yes...."those" fucking people...they're the reason for everything bad.