Democrats bid to change Senate rules if Republicans thwart voting rights reform

[GothTalk]

Sanctuary cities are a good thing. You really have to wonder WTF is wrong with a city that isn't one. They have serious racist issues.

I understand you think undermining the rule of law and American democracy, is a GOOD thing because you think such things are racist.


That's what the fuck is wrong with you leftist... you're totally unhinged from reality and have a deranged hatred for this country. You and every one of your comrades should all be loaded up onto cargo jets and air dropped into Venezuela and N. Korea by the MILLIONS so you can get some of that progress you want so badly.

Why do you continue to insist that your loving admiration of concentration camps is "liberalism"?

What loving admiration of concentration camps Rob??

Your fantasies are not my politics psycho boy.

 

[GothTalk]

Did you not read your own cites, or do you not understand the term "legal immigrant"? You said the Dems were calling for letting illegal immigrants vote, and those links are to stories about letting legal immigrants vote. Which I already explained above.

Yes, that's why I know they said "non-citizen" and "undocumented immigrants" which means illegal immigrants.

You can keep pretending the (D)'eez are totally hard liners on the borders and big on deporting illegals, but you're full of fucking shit and anyone with an IQ over room temp knows it.

 

[YDB95]

Yes, that's why I know they said "non-citizen" and "undocumented immigrants" which means illegal immigrants.

You can keep pretending the (D)'eez are totally hard liners on the borders and big on deporting illegals, but you're full of fucking shit and anyone with an IQ over room temp knows it.

So the answer is you don't read your own links. I'm sure most of us already suspected that. Thanks for confirming it.

 

[pecksniff]

Yes, that's why I know they said "non-citizen" and "undocumented immigrants" which means illegal immigrants.

There are reasonable grounds for that insistent terminology. People, after all, are never "illegal."

OTOH, "undocumented" implies they simply forgot to fill out some paperwork. But that's not the problem -- they knew that if they did it that way, they would be rejected.

My preferred terminology would be "impermissive immigrants," since they are in the country without the required official permission.

 

[pecksniff]

You can keep pretending the (D)'eez are totally hard liners on the borders and big on deporting illegals, but you're full of fucking shit and anyone with an IQ over room temp knows it.

Obama was pretty big on the deportations.

 

[GothTalk]

So the answer is you don't read your own links. I'm sure most of us already suspected that. Thanks for confirming it.

'i don't like reality!!!! "

Yea we figured that.

 

[GothTalk]

There are reasonable grounds for that insistent terminology.

Yes.... to bullshit about the fact that you're an open borders, open elections lunatic leftist.

People, after all, are never "illegal."

Yes they are, your denial of reality notwithstanding of course.

But keep screaming "2+2=9!!!!" ....if you keep it up you might get someone to believe you.

Obama was pretty big on the deportations.

Ok....so why is most the left trying to subvert our immigration laws and borders???

 

[LittleDixie]

Not when one party's stated plan is to prevent you from doing a damn thing.

To be fair, both sides are highly polarized. If Congress was a bunch of free minded people who were generally to the left or generally to the right, you'd see more Dems siding with the right on some causes and Republicans siding with the Dems. These days, though, it is almost 100% one way or the other. It's like every single member of party A votes for party A bills and if they ever step out of line, they get hit over the head by their party.

Joe Manchin, for example.

You've got to admit that we don't have a Congress that can be free thinkers anymore. You vote with your party 100% of the time, or they treat you like a traitor.

 

[pecksniff]

To be fair, both sides are highly polarized.

More specifically, and more importantly, each side is internally polarized -- the Dems between centrists and left-progressives, the Pubs between Old Guard bizcons and Tea Party nationalist-populists.

 

[pecksniff]

YOk....so why is most the left trying to subvert our immigration laws and borders???

1) Because they're not. You won't find leftists on the border helping out the coyotes, and "sanctuary cities" are based on a simple not-too-lefist impulse to protect your neighbors.

2) I was talking about Obama. That has nothing to do with "the left." He was never part of it.

 

[pecksniff]

You've got to admit that we don't have a Congress that can be free thinkers anymore. You vote with your party 100% of the time, or they treat you like a traitor.

For decades now -- at least since 1994 -- the Pubs have outdone the Dems in terms of party discipline.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

So...



... are the Democrats now advocating for picture ID to vote?



Independents want to know.

Some of 'your' daughter's friends are independents? Do they know you're a trumptard and is 'your' daughter ashamed of you?

 

[GothTalk]

1) Because they're not.
.

They are, thus the sanctuary cities and Biden doing all he can to help traffic illegals into the country.

You can deny reality all you want, doesn't make it go away.

 

[pecksniff]

They are, thus the sanctuary cities and Biden doing all he can to help traffic illegals into the country.

You can deny reality all you want, doesn't make it go away.

What exactly is Biden doing in that regard?

And what does Biden have to do with the left? He's politically indistinguishable from Clinton and Obama.

 

[GothTalk]

What exactly is Biden doing in that regard?

I've already laid it out 100's of fucking times to you, and you just ignore it, if you want to keep ignoring it, that's fine.

And what does Biden have to do with the left?

He represents them, represents a left wing party and is sympathetic to their causes.

He's politically indistinguishable from Clinton and Obama.

No, he's not.

 

[pecksniff]

I've already laid it out 100's of fucking times to you, and you just ignore it, if you want to keep ignoring it, that's fine.

No, you never yet have, not once since Biden took office, explained what you think he is doing to facilitate illegal immigration.

He represents them, represents a left wing party and is sympathetic to their causes.

Now who's denying reality? The Democrats are not a left-wing party. If they were anything even close to that, Sanders would be president. (And, yes, Sanders would have beaten Trump, in 2016 or in 2020.)

No, he's not.

What's the difference? Biden is certainly not to Obama's left.

 

[GothTalk]

No, you never yet have,

Ok well you just keep on pretending (D)'eez are super hardliners on border security and pro-deportation.

Now who's denying reality?

The Democrats are not a left-wing party.

You are, because yes they are, definitively so.

For the 10,000th time, "Not left enough for Peck's liking" doesn't make them not left wing.

Go read their official platform and take any sort of notice of their policies of any kind.

What's the difference?

Pursuit of social and economic equity and "social justice " over rule of law for starters.

Biden is certainly not to Obama's left.

SIGNIFIGANTLY so. Bill Clinton was anti-illegal immigration, so was Obama.

Neither one of them was openly supportive of pursuing equity. They were arguably liberals.

Unlike the radically progressive anti-American sack of shit currently inhabiting the WH. Who should in fact be impeached IMMIDIATELY upon the GOP retaking congress.

 

[pecksniff]

You are, because yes they are, definitively so.

For the 10,000th time, "Not left enough for Peck's liking" doesn't make them not left wing.

Being very far to the right of the real American left, which does exist, does make the Democrats not left-wing.

 

[GothTalk]

Being very far to the right of the real American left, which does exist, does make the Democrats not left-wing.

Again "Not left enough for Peck's liking" doesn't make them not left wing, you're wrong about that. Your above statement has already been totally shit on, no amount of foot stamping makes you the galactic arbiter of what is and isn't left wing enough to be called left wing.

The "Real" left wing is anyone who supports the political pursuit of equity. This includes the current Democrats.

Those are the facts, suck on them

 

[pecksniff]

The "Real" left wing is anyone who supports the political pursuit of equity.

You have no basis of any kind to say that.

 

[GothTalk]

You have no basis of any kind to say that.

You need a basic poli-sci class.

Here is a general reference....

left, in politics, the portion of the political spectrum associated in general with egalitarianism and popular or state control of the major institutions of political and economic life.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/left

Not that you care about academia, we've all seen you reject it numerous times in favor of bat shit leftist ideologue pages when you don't like how objective and reality based academics can be.

 

[pecksniff]

That means no more than your always-meaningless citations of dictionary definitions to support your idiosyncratic definition of "liberal."

Someday soon, American voters are going to be offered a choice between the Democrats and the left, and then you'll see the difference.

 

[GothTalk]

That means no more than your always-meaningless citations of dictionary definitions to support your idiosyncratic definition of "liberal."

As expected, you ignore objective reality when it's inconvenient for you.

The academic and consensus definition of liberal are not idiosyncratic.

You and the leftist abuse of the term to mean Democrat, doesn't make it so.

Someday soon, American voters are going to be offered a choice between the Democrats and the left, and then you'll see the difference.

That there are varying degrees of leftist withing the coalition of leftist that is "the Democrats" is irrelevant to the fact that Democrats and the party officially, are in fact leftist, definitively so.

Again "Not left enough for Pecks liking" doesn't mean it's not left.

 

[pecksniff]

As expected, you ignore objective reality when it's inconvenient for you.

This is the objective reality.

And it ain't even "left."

 

[GothTalk]

This is the objective reality.

And it ain't even "left."

No.

Social liberalism is just ONE type of liberalism among many, both left and right wing.

And yes, social liberalism is left, it's liberal left and what Democrats USED to be long ago.

The core definition of liberalism that applies to ALL liberals, social liberals to libertarians is....

liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/liberalism