The U.S. is now a "backsliding democracy"

[pecksniff]

When people see things that are statistically unlikely, it is natural for them to wonder if what they are seeing is accurate. It is fair for them to scrutinize anomalies.

WRT the 2020 election, that has already been done. Trump's lawyers lost 60 cases. The Cyber Ninjas audit came up dry. So did Mike Lindell's tech expert. No further scrutiny will even suggest anything that might change the results -- and you know it.

 

[pecksniff]

That is exactly what is going on now in the drive to Democracy.
The turn away from Republic to mob rule and the voting of largess began
when the Senate was turned over to the mob cutting the States out of the loop.

You're not making an issue of the 17th Amendment, in this day and age, are you?!

Even Marcus Aurelius had to debase the currency to have enough "silver" to spend.

Not because the state was being too generous to the plebs. There was no Roman welfare state, except for the corn dole, which was only available in the city of Rome.

 

[pecksniff]

Isn't destroying democracy the Progressive project? If we're going to be led by a technocratic elite, we can't have people mucking it up by putting the wrong sort into office, now can we?

You won't find many partisans for technocracy among progressives. Among mainstream Dems, maybe. The old early-20th-Century Progressives were technocrats -- one of their slogans was "There is no Democratic or Republican way to pave a street" -- but that movement is now about as relevant as Free Silver. And even the old Progressives were arguably more pro-democracy than their contemporaries -- their pet issues included the referendum and the recall -- which were efforts to cut the established partisan political machines out of the loop.

 

[pecksniff]

Yes, same as the LW.

It's called polarization.

Only, the LW tries to use democracy and does not try to undermine it.

 

[CornusKousa]

Only, the LW tries to use democracy and does not try to undermine it.

That is a partisan hack delusion only other LW hacks are buying so peddle that reality ignoring and demonstrable lie elsewhere.

You won't find many partisans for technocracy among progressives.

" 2+2=9!!! "

Why do you make such blatant lies??

 

[pecksniff]

That is a partisan hack delusion only other LW hacks are buying so peddle that reality ignoring and demonstrable lie elsewhere.

If it's demonstrable, demonstrate it. I've seen no credible accounts of LWs or Democrats trying to limit voting rights, or limit ballot access, or stuff ballot boxes, or practice in-person voter fraud, or do anything else to interfere with the democratic process.

Why do you make such blatant lies??

If you'll read left-progressive media like I do -- and I mean the real thing, like The Nation and Mother Jones -- you'll have to look very hard to find anybody calling for more technocracy.

 

[Wrong Element]

When people see things that are statistically unlikely, it is natural for them to wonder if what they are seeing is accurate. It is fair for them to scrutinize anomalies.

Yes, Biden winning nationally by 4 points in a race the polls had him winning by 7 points. and the Democrats losing a disproportionate number of the battleground Senate and House races, is clearly a sign that the Dems cheated.

I guess my question is: if the Dems can steal an election whenever they want (the logical conclusion of all these conspiracies), why don't they? Democrats control all of Virginia's state government, and McAuliffe only lost to Youngkin by about a point and a half. Surely they could have found enough dead people to cast a Democratic ballot?

 

[CornusKousa]

If it's demonstrable, demonstrate it.

Immigration.

Also all the "rules for thee not for me" form of 'justice' .

I've seen no credible accounts of LWs or Democrats trying to limit voting rights, or stuff ballot boxes, or practice in-person voter fraud, or do anything else to interfere with the democratic process.

That's not the only way to undermine a democracy, that's you trying to pretend their efforts to undermine the system in other ways isn't undermining our democracy... it is.

If you'll read left-progressive media like I do -- and I mean the real thing, like The Nation and Mother Jones -- you'll have to look very hard to find anybody calling for more technocracy.

They don't call for it, they just cheer for it when it's used to advance their agenda.

 

[pecksniff]

Immigration.

There is no electoral agenda there. Immigrants don't vote. Their children might, but nobody thinks that far ahead in politics. They don't even think in terms of the time it would take for immigrants to apply for citizenship.

Also all the "rules for thee not for me" form of 'justice' .

That is 1) irrelevant and 2) bullshit.

That's not the only way to undermine a democracy, that's you trying to pretend their efforts to undermine the system in other ways isn't undermining our democracy... it is.

How?

They don't call for it, they just cheer for it when it's used to advance their agenda.

You won't find much of that in the LW press either, and if you do it will be no different at all from what you'll find in the RW press when an executive or judicial decision goes their way.

 

[CornusKousa]

There is no electoral agenda there. Immigrants don't vote. Their children might, but nobody thinks that far ahead in politics. They don't even think in terms of the time it would take for immigrants to apply for citizenship.

Look at all that deflection and reality denial.

Scream 2+2=5 some more peck, everyone who's not totally fucking black out drunk on lefty propaganda TOTALLY believes you

That is 1) irrelevant and 2) bullshit.

No it's not bullshit, it's been demonstrated over and over again that your tribe is ALL ABOUT making justice a partisan and political affair... bigly.

It's also not irrelevant what's the point of a democracy if the rule of law that it creates is being openly subverted and or ignored??

You're just mad because the reality is your tribe is every bit if not more guilty of destabilizing the system that you guys are OPENLY trying to destroy.... you even call it "progrees" like a bunch of fucking psychopaths.

How?

Start by not being such a partisan hack you ignore your own sides open advocation of destroying the system.

You won't find much of that in the LW press either, and if you do it will be no different at all from what you'll find in the RW press when an executive or judicial decision goes their way.

1) the RW isn't currently the pro-censorship brigade.

2) the RW isn't the one cheering a censored for LW narrative social mediasphere.

3) you can lie to yourself with this delusional "LW IS PERFECT RW IS EVIL!!" bullshit all you want but you'll just continue looking like a useful idiot.

 

[pecksniff]

Start by not being such a partisan hack you ignore your own sides open advocation of destroying the system.

That is only to be found among revolutionary leftists, who are few and far between. Those who want to get to social democracy democratically are not advocating "destroying the system," even if the result should be something you would regard as un-American.

 

[pecksniff]

1) the RW isn't currently the pro-censorship brigade.

The LW -- to the extent it exists -- certainly isn't.

 

[pecksniff]

Look at all that deflection and reality denial.

It is not reality that the Democrats want immigrants to bolster their vote share.

 

[CornusKousa]

That is only to be found among revolutionary leftists, who are few and far between. Those who want to get to social democracy democratically are not advocating "destroying the system," even if the result should be something you would regard as un-American.

"2+2=9!!!" everyone who's not totally hammered on Kommie Kool-Aid is totally buying your bullshit peck

The LW -- to the extent it exists -- certainly isn't.

"PEACE IS WAR!!! IGNORE YOUR LYING EYES!!!" lol

It is not reality that the Democrats want immigrants to bolster their vote share.

"IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!!!!"

We totally buy it peck.... just keep yelling at the sky that 2+2=9.

 

[pecksniff]

"2+2=9!!!" everyone who's not totally hammered on Kommie Kool-Aid is totally buying your bullshit peck



"PEACE IS WAR!!! IGNORE YOUR LYING EYES!!!" lol



"IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!!!!"

We totally buy it peck.... just keep yelling at the sky that 2+2=9.

Everything I say above is true and you know it.

 

[CornusKousa]

Everything I say above is true and you know it.

It's the exact opposite of the truth, gaslight someone else.

 

[pecksniff]

It's the exact opposite of the truth, gaslight someone else.

It's all true, and you can't change that by contradicting it. Gaslighting is your side's thing.

 

[Sean Renaud]

People don't want their government meddling in their healthcare. What state do you live?

This is true, but that's because there is no real accounting for stupid. Our opinions on them "controlling" what we eat changes damn fast when an e.coli outbreak puts a lot of people we care about out of commission.

There is no electoral agenda there. Immigrants don't vote. Their children might, but nobody thinks that far ahead in politics. They don't even think in terms of the time it would take for immigrants to apply for citizenship.

While it is mildly long game this isn't 100% true. Immigrants, legal or not, are counted in census votes which in turn determines how many Seats you get in the House and thus EC.

Look at all that deflection and reality denial.

Scream 2+2=5 some more peck, everyone who's not totally fucking black out drunk on lefty propaganda TOTALLY believes you
(snip)
1) the RW isn't currently the pro-censorship brigade.

2) the RW isn't the one cheering a censored for LW narrative social mediasphere.

3) you can lie to yourself with this delusional "LW IS PERFECT RW IS EVIL!!" bullshit all you want but you'll just continue looking like a useful idiot.

Above I just proved that 2+2=5 or greater actually.

1.) The RW has been the censorship brigade since forever despite Hillary being a cunt we know who was leading the fight against DnD, Video games, Comics, Video Games again. And I would argue that religious oppression which they specialize in is censorship on a scale so grand we stop calling it mere censorship. Kinda like if I beat you to death with a wrench we skip right past assault, and probably Assault with a deadly weapon if there is enough proof to put me away for murder.

2.) Because they won that war so hard, so long ago that there is no cheering.

3.) Hillary isn't president right now because the LW is incapable of deluding themselves into believing out team is perfect. Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and Mitch McConnel prove that they are perfectly capable of it and the fact that they are still in office and assuming none of them retire before their next cycle is proof that the rank and file are fully capable of commiting to the lie.

 

[pecksniff]

While it is mildly long game this isn't 100% true. Immigrants, legal or not, are counted in census votes which in turn determines how many Seats you get in the House and thus EC.

But, immigrants don't necessarily settle in the blue states. The only blue state close to the border is CA -- but then there are TX and NM and AZ.

 

[CornusKousa]

It's all true, and you can't change that by contradicting it. Gaslighting is your side's thing.

No, it's not.

And no, it's not.

But, immigrants don't necessarily settle in the blue states. The only blue state close to the border is CA -- but then there are TX and NM and AZ.

NM is blue.

And they flock to them... why wouldn't they? They get sanctuary and free shit.

 

[CornusKousa]

Above I just proved that 2+2=5 or greater actually.

No. You didn't.

1.) The RW has been the censorship brigade since forever despite Hillary being a cunt we know who was leading the fight against DnD, Video games, Comics, Video Games again. And I would argue that religious oppression which they specialize in is censorship on a scale so grand we stop calling it mere censorship. Kinda like if I beat you to death with a wrench we skip right past assault, and probably Assault with a deadly weapon if there is enough proof to put me away for murder.

That's all coming from the SJW/feminist brigade now, because no it's not just the RW who engages in censorship.

2.) Because they won that war so hard, so long ago that there is no cheering.

Who won??

3.) Hillary isn't president right now because the LW is incapable of deluding themselves into believing out team is perfect.

Yet peck and all the other Kool-Aid chuggers do just that.

 

[pecksniff]

No, it's not.

It is true that left-progressives are not out to "destroy the system" -- and you know it.

It is true that left-progressives and Democrats are innocent, and RWs and Republicans guilty, of trying to undermine the democratic process -- and you know it.

It is true that Democrats are not encouraging immigration to increase their vote share -- and you know it.

It is true that the RW is far the greater offender when it comes to censorship -- and you know it.

Likewise with "rules for thee but not for me" -- and you know it.

There is room for honest debate about which side's policies are more beneficial to the public -- but not about any of the above. Those are simply matters of fact.

 

[CornusKousa]

It is true that left-progressives are not out to "destroy the system" -- and you know it.

It is true that left-progressives and Democrats are innocent, and RWs and Republicans guilty, of trying to undermine the democratic process -- and you know it.

It is true that Democrats are not encouraging immigration to increase their vote share -- and you know it.

It is true that the RW is far the greater offender when it comes to censorship -- and you know it.

Likewise with "rules for thee but not for me" -- and you know it.

Incorrect, I know the opposite.

You can sell your gaslighting bullshit elswhere.

There is room for honest debate about which side's policies are more beneficial to the public -- but not about any of the above. Those are simply matters of fact.

Partisan lies that contradict reality in every way.

 

[pecksniff]

Incorrect, I know the opposite.

No, you don't. That you won't admit it makes no difference. You're the one insisting war is peace and 2+2=5, not me.

 

[CornusKousa]

No, you don't. That you won't admit it makes no difference. You're the one insisting war is peace and 2+2=5, not me.

Yes I do.

There is nothing to admit.... your leftist fantasies are just that, fantasies.

You lie again, it is you insisting war is peace and 2+2=5.