Virginia S.C rules lee's statue can, indeed, be torn down

[ll74]

Restating my question back at me is not an answer to the question, It's an evasion. A rather obvious one at that. Plus it shows that you can't form an answer because that answer destroys your debate position.


Step by step:

IF the cross is a symbol of Christianity, then it violates the 2nd Commandment. If it isn't, then it's not a "symbol" of anything and it's the viewer/wearer who embues the ideology into it and destroying the item changes nothing about the belief.

The same logic applies to the statues.

It's pointing out your absurd premise.

The cross is a symbol of christianity, which is why crosses are prevelant at churches and worn as jewelry by christians.

Whether it truly represents the religion without the human being or not is irrelevant, as the entirety of the discussion involves human beings. The statues would t exist.

Why you continue the bullshit argument is beyond me.

 

[ll74]

Whether it represents something else to you is just as relevant as what it represents to someone else. That's why the statue was put up and why it has been taken down. Enough people don't agree with the symbol you have imbued on the statue.

As Arpy would argue.....the statue is just metal...so what Robert E Lee was, is irrelevant....right? Lol

Destroying a statue dorsnt destroy history. For many it destroys any representation the statue has on the local community.

What you are claiming the statue represents is the bullshit. And just more of you bullshit.

Once again whiteface french flag wearing turncoat you are completely wrong again.

Robert E. Lee was not only a general. He was sympathetic to blacks and held slavery as an evil institution.

The statue represents the General. An amazing and tactical Military Engineer. A great Natural American Leader. While his greatest work may have been against the Union, he is and will always be an American. One who by the time of the civil war was forced back into service as the very taxes fired upon at Fort Sumter were eliminating his families good fortunes fought for valiantly and successfully by previous generations. Brought back because of his ability. Texas is not Mexico.

Instead of destroying history we should learn from it as to not repeat it. Your democrats are the ones who fought to keep slavery alive and just happened to be on Robert E. Lee's command. Learn from it. Your democrats relinquished a massive air base in Iraq and perpetuated a civil war. Now, more no learning, have relinquished Bagram the last major airbase between the free world and Russia and China. Did not learn from it.

 

[ll74]

You have to understand that you're arguing with someone who probably went to public school, and still barely passed.


The people who argue against the statues don't know US history. They don't know art, or human nature, or anything at all.

What they know, is what they're told. What they do, is what they're told to do. What they believe is that blinding following along behind someone who is using them to do his dirty work, is freedom and thinking for themselves.

The statue isnt history or the human that he argues about...or do you only use that argument when someone disagrees? Lol

 

[innocntplay]

He's referring to another thread where I spanked their asses by saying that hydrogen is "carbon based." I said that because in almost every thread some fucking fool will post something so stupid that I just have to yank their leash.


The inevitable result is that the fools will continue to regurgitate the source of their foolishness for the world to see while thinking they're getting the better of everyone each time they do it.

You want to see hysterics like what I'm talking about?


Try this one:


Light is created by photons which are carbon based.


Not watch the idiots come out of the woodwork to call me stupid for saying that because they won't understand that it was said just to provoke that reaction from them.

Even when I tell them I'm doing it on purpose, they still deny it.

You are making perfect sense.
Conservation will do more for the health of the planet than any tax will.

As for the idiots and the whiteface french guy I appreciate you and others who point out their ignorance.

Poking at them is fun for a short time. But they and the Brits that post here repeat themselves instead of participating in the discussion.

On this thread the idiots say the south lost the war. It was the Confederacy and the states and about to be states that seceded the Union to form the Confederacy were evenly split. And did not lose.

It should be properly noted they did not lose the "Civil War" between the states. The taxes were reconnoitered such that southern farms could exist and not impede the industrialization that was taking place after the war ended. And for their hardship during the war, the Confederate Currency was purchased back at a premium.

Here again the democrats have not looked at history and are making attempts to raise taxes once again.

What are they teaching in public school?

 

[Lazaran]

It's pointing out your absurd premise.

The cross is a symbol of christianity, which is why crosses are prevelant at churches and worn as jewelry by christians.

Whether it truly represents the religion without the human being or not is irrelevant, as the entirety of the discussion involves human beings. The statues would t exist.

Why you continue the bullshit argument is beyond me.

Harpy constantly thinks he's "winning" when he makes some absurd irrelevant statement, or poses some absurd irrelevant question.

He will never TAKE the L, so you just have to GIVE it to him and move on.

Just like all the other Deplorables who post here.

*nods*

 

[innocntplay]

Whether it represents something else to you is just as relevant as what it represents to someone else. That's why the statue was put up and why it has been taken down. Enough people don't agree with the symbol you have imbued on the statue.

As Arpy would argue.....the statue is just metal...so what Robert E Lee was, is irrelevant....right? Lol

Destroying a statue dorsnt destroy history. For many it destroys any representation the statue has on the local community.

Duh, the vote was in the Virginia State house and completely partisan.

We do not know how there remains so many democrats that forgot what they represent and feel such guilt they need to make symbolic acts to conceal how they continue to destroy the lives of those they are attempting to appease.

 

[ll74]

Harpy constantly thinks he's "winning" when he makes some absurd irrelevant statement, or poses some absurd irrelevant question.

He will never TAKE the L, so you just have to GIVE it to him and move on.

Just like all the other Deplorables who post here.

*nods*

He's stuck on the "it's just a statue" argument. But oddly enough, only against those who want the statue removed. Whether someone put it up as something more or wants it to stay up because of something more seems to be irrelevant.

Human beings do just about everything for something more than simple existence and laws and objects and society are all based on the meaning of things that exist only because of us.

Yah...the argument is dumb

 

[ll74]

Duh, the vote was in the Virginia State house and completely partisan.

We do not know how there remains so many democrats that forgot what they represent and feel such guilt they need to make symbolic acts to conceal how they continue to destroy the lives of those they are attempting to appease.

Why do I care what the vote count or party count was?

And what you feel about those who disagree with you is irrelevant.....your perspective was voted against. You believe it represents a man and you believe the man represents you well....good for you. You can build another one in your front lawn.

 

[innocntplay]

Why do I care what the vote count or party count was?

And what you feel about those who disagree with you is irrelevant.....your perspective was voted against. You believe it represents a man and you believe the man represents you well....good for you. You can build another one in your front lawn.

You continue to repeat yourself.

You put words in my mouth that I did not say or mean.

Say something relevant.

Meanwhile, I will go back to cooking breakfast in the iron skillet my mother gave to me. Given to her by her mother. Given to her by the free family that were family of slaves in that era.

You do not quote me properly. You do not know anything about history. Only thing you seem to know is the oppression imposed by your own parents. Less anger and venting and more reading please.

 

[ll74]

You continue to repeat yourself.

You put words in my mouth that I did not say or mean.

Say something relevant.

Meanwhile, I will go back to cooking breakfast in the iron skillet my mother gave to me. Given to her by her mother. Given to her by the free family that were family of slaves in that era.

You do not quote me properly. You do not know anything about history. Only thing you seem to know is the oppression imposed by your own parents. Less anger and venting and more reading please.

You talk about what you see the statue represents. You believe that your perspective should overcome those of others. They have majority and disagree.

I honestly don't give a shit whether a statue exists or not. Not sure if my parents do or not, but they never sought to instill anything regarding a statue on me. History doesn't need statues....it relies on perspective and written word.

 

[innocntplay]

You talk about what you see the statue represents. You believe that your perspective should overcome those of others. They have majority and disagree.

I honestly don't give a shit whether a statue exists or not. Not sure if my parents do or not, but they never sought to instill anything regarding a statue on me. History doesn't need statues....it relies on perspective and written word.

The majority of Washington DC is statues and monuments. Including government building in use today.

Tear it all down?

I don't think you were born in the United States.

 

[ll74]

The majority of Washington DC is statues and monuments. Including government building in use today.

Tear it all down?

I don't think you were born in the United States.

If people want statues torn down, then tear them down. If it means something to the majority that they don't agree with to support that effort, then it does.

You aren't going to lose history because you get rid of a statue.

 

[innocntplay]

If people want statues torn down, then tear them down. If it means something to the majority that they don't agree with to support that effort, then it does.

You aren't going to lose history because you get rid of a statue.

You also keep saying majority.

There is not a majority that wants the statues removed. Noisy leftists and people like you are not the majority.

 

[ll74]

You also keep saying majority.

There is not a majority that wants the statues removed. Noisy leftists and people like you are not the majority.

Lol ...I'm sure you have an accurate survey count that supports your statement and it's not just your opinion.

I wasn't meaning majority of people, idiot.....the only thing required is a majority of the people who can tear them down (i.e. government)

And noisy...lmao....that's funny.

 

[YDB95]

We do not know how there remains so many democrats that forgot what they represent and feel such guilt they need to make symbolic acts to conceal how they continue to destroy the lives of those they are attempting to appease.

And they wonder why we don't reach across the aisle more!

 

[HisArpy]

If people want statues torn down, then tear them down. If it means something to the majority that they don't agree with to support that effort, then it does.

You aren't going to lose history because you get rid of a statue.

Lol, what a nice fancy way to say that the statue isn't a symbol in itself.


I began this conversation with a "go ahead, tear it down" position because that's how I feel. You began with "it's a symbol" although you've now evolved to "it's not really a symbol, it's a statue that a group of thugs want to remove."

 

[ll74]

Lol, what a nice fancy way to say that the statue isn't a symbol in itself.


I began this conversation with a "go ahead, tear it down" position because that's how I feel. You began with "it's a symbol" although you've now evolved to "it's not really a symbol, it's a statue that a group of thugs want to remove."

That's not at all what my position is. It is a symbol. That's why people want it to stay and why people want it torn down. But it is not historical record. You don't lose history or gain it by keeping it or destroying it.

I honestly don't give a shit what your position is on whether it stays or goes.....your "it's just a hunk of metal" argument is shit.

 

[HisArpy]

It's pointing out your absurd premise.

The cross is a symbol of christianity, which is why crosses are prevelant at churches and worn as jewelry by christians.

Whether it truly represents the religion without the human being or not is irrelevant, as the entirety of the discussion involves human beings. The statues would t exist.

Why you continue the bullshit argument is beyond me.

Lol, wrong.

If the cross were what you say it is, it would clearly violate the 2nd Commandment because it would be a false image of God.

Thus, anyone who professes that the cross symbolizes Christianity is either not Christian or is just fucking stupid. Not that it would be unusual because most people don't know the Commandments other than the one which says "Thou shall not kill" which actually doesn't exist. Don't believe me? Go look it up.

Back to the statue, as I began this discussion - Meh. Tear it down if you want. Just don't pretend that you're doing it because of anything the statue represents. at least be honest and admit that you're doing it because you hate everything so much it spills into everything you see and do.

 

[ll74]

Lol, wrong.

If the cross were what you say it is, it would clearly violate the 2nd Commandment because it would be a false image of God.

Thus, anyone who professes that the cross symbolizes Christianity is either not Christian or is just fucking stupid. Not that it would be unusual because most people don't know the Commandments other than the one which says "Thou shall not kill" which actually doesn't exist. Don't believe me? Go look it up.

Back to the statue, as I began this discussion - Meh. Tear it down if you want. Just don't pretend that you're doing it because of anything the statue represents. at least be honest and admit that you're doing it because you hate everything so much it spills into everything you see and do.

So why do people wear crosses around their necks?

"Hate everything..." - I have no idea what you're on about here. Seems like you have generalized who you think I am. I'm objecting to your bullshit point because it's bullshit. I'm not objecting to everyone or everything...just your argument. I have not yet heard anyone agree with you about it...in fact...several people continue to share positions that objectify statues as a symbol to defend their positions.

 

[HisArpy]

That's not at all what my position is. It is a symbol. That's why people want it to stay and why people want it torn down. But it is not historical record. You don't lose history or gain it by keeping it or destroying it.

I honestly don't give a shit what your position is on whether it stays or goes.....your "it's just a hunk of metal" argument is shit.

Again, it's not a symbol.

Definition of symbol

(Entry 1 of 2)

2 : something that stands for or suggests something else by reason of relationship, association, convention, or accidental resemblance especially : a visible sign of something invisible

Tell me how a statue of Robert E. Lee is supposed to "suggest by reason of a relationship of something invisible" when the statue itself is a guy on a horse and Lee's life and military service is well known to not be what you think it was.

The whole controversy is that a bunch of bandwagon morons decided to break more shit and made up a bunch of bullshit reasons to do it. Your "it's a symbol" bullshit is just one of the reasons that are being used. My position is clear, if you want to destroy it, do so. Just stop lying about why.

But you can't even do that. Instead you go off on some stupid tangent about how it "symbolizes" oppression when in fact Lee didn't do that, the war wasn't about that, and the people who put it up didn't put it there to stick it in anyone's eye.

It's not a symbol, it's a statue.

 

[HisArpy]

So why do people wear crosses around their necks?

"Hate everything..." - I have no idea what you're on about here. Seems like you have generalized who you think I am. I'm objecting to your bullshit point because it's bullshit. I'm not objecting to everyone or everything...just your argument. I have not yet heard anyone agree with you about it...in fact...several people continue to share positions that objectify statues as a symbol to defend their positions.

I have no idea why people wear them, I'm not on that team and my team doesn't do that shit.



You hate. It's obvious from your positions, to your arguments, to your personal attacks. The only one who doesn't see it, is you. And that's because you WANT to hate.

Which is fine, just own it for fucking once.

 

[ll74]

Again, it's not a symbol.



Tell me how a statue of Robert E. Lee is supposed to "suggest by reason of a relationship of something invisible" when the statue itself is a guy on a horse and Lee's life and military service is well known to not be what you think it was.

The whole controversy is that a bunch of bandwagon morons decided to break more shit and made up a bunch of bullshit reasons to do it. Your "it's a symbol" bullshit is just one of the reasons that are being used. My position is clear, if you want to destroy it, do so. Just stop lying about why.

But you can't even do that. Instead you go off on some stupid tangent about how it "symbolizes" oppression when in fact Lee didn't do that, the war wasn't about that, and the people who put it up didn't put it there to stick it in anyone's eye.

It's not a symbol, it's a statue.

You continue to not answer the question - if it's not a symbol, then why do people put it up? And if it's a memorial, then it's a symbol. And if it's a memorial to his life, the what about his life are they memorializing?

And why do people wear crosses?

I've never once mentioned oppression.

And why do some people believe the war was about oppression?

And how do you know why people put it up didn't put it up to "stick it in anyone's eye"? Why would you put up a memorial to a man that lost a war?

Lots of questions and you avoid them all because answering them would destroy your narrative.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Timmy the fake lawyer is upset that his symbols of white supremacy are being torn down. Lol

He should have a bin laden statue on his lawn and call it art.

 

[butters]

anyone arguing that the cross is not the world-recognized symbol of christianity is fucking nuts

 

[butters]

religious instruction basics 101

The Latin cross is the most familiar and widely recognized symbol of Christianity today. In all likelihood, it was the shape of the structure upon which Jesus Christ was crucified. Though various forms of the cross existed, the Latin cross was made of two pieces of wood crossed to create four right angles. The cross today represents Christ's victory over sin and death through the sacrifice of his own body on the cross.

Roman Catholic depictions of the cross often reveal the body of Christ still on the cross. This form is known as the crucifix and brings emphasis to the sacrifice and suffering of Christ. Protestant churches tend to portray the empty cross, emphasizing the resurrected, risen Christ. Followers of Christianity identify with the cross through these words of Jesus (also in Matthew 10:38; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23):

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me." ​​(Matthew 16:24, NIV)

https://www.learnreligions.com/christianity-symbols-illustrated-glossary-4051292