Virginia S.C rules lee's statue can, indeed, be torn down

People project their values onto sayings on money. anthems. flags.

And when people don't share their views on those symbols, I'm sure they don't get upset either.

:/

You still are failing to acknowledge why the symbols exist in the first place. People put them up for a reason and take them down for a reason. And when majorities support the efforts, that also means minorities may not. Both see more than a statue.

It has been said that money is the measure of personal success. That statement has also been said to be meaningless by those who have no money or personal success. Anthems and flags change, are used as effigies, and either unite or divide based on the PERSONAL IDEOLOGIES of the people involved.


It's not a symbol. You keep trying to insist it is, but it isn't. It's a chunk of inert metal shaped into a likeness of a person. The only reality it has is that it's an inanimate object.

There is no "deeper meaning" because it has no meaning. Confusing meaning with purpose is where you go wrong. It's all on you. That you refuse to acknowledge that is where you keep failing in your understanding.

Tear it down, it's meaningless. Just realize that your act of tearing it down is an act of destruction, not creation.
 
It's not a symbol. You keep trying to insist it is, but it isn't. It's a chunk of inert metal shaped into a likeness of a person. The only reality it has is that it's an inanimate object.

There is no "deeper meaning" because it has no meaning. Confusing meaning with purpose is where you go wrong. It's all on you. That you refuse to acknowledge that is where you keep failing in your understanding.

If it has "no deeper meaning" and is "not a symbol", tell us why was it erected in the first place?
 
It has been said that money is the measure of personal success. That statement has also been said to be meaningless by those who have no money or personal success. Anthems and flags change, are used as effigies, and either unite or divide based on the PERSONAL IDEOLOGIES of the people involved.


It's not a symbol. You keep trying to insist it is, but it isn't. It's a chunk of inert metal shaped into a likeness of a person. The only reality it has is that it's an inanimate object.

There is no "deeper meaning" because it has no meaning. Confusing meaning with purpose is where you go wrong. It's all on you. That you refuse to acknowledge that is where you keep failing in your understanding.

Tear it down, it's meaningless. Just realize that your act of tearing it down is an act of destruction, not creation.

Of course it is a symbol. Nobody fights over objects that don't have personal meaning. Whether you want it to mean something to other people is irrelevant.

Why did people create it? Why did people tear it down? Why is creation more important to you than destruction?

Your perspective is idiotic at best and ignorant at worst
 
If it has "no deeper meaning" and is "not a symbol", tell us why was it erected in the first place?

Get ready for a three day meltdown explaining why a "monument" is not a "symbol", followed by Harpy claiming he was just kidding.

*chuckles*
 
Let me see if I understand Hisharpy properly. Its not a symbol until it becomes magical? The Statue of Liberty is just a statue, not a symbol of freedom and prosperity this country represents? The flag isn't a symbol because that doesn't MAKE you a patriot? And people COULD have ignored people kneeling, that was just a projection of their inner ugliness? Not because it means something to them?

But if I could find the Morphers from Power Rangers THOSE would be symbols because they do in fact turn you into a ranger and lets you summon zords, which would also qualify as symbols because they are basically tanks?

Why??

Overt institutionalized racism is his gig. :D

(D)'s official platform is STILL dripping in support for it too.

Wanting people treated equally makes racists?:confused:
 
Only racist people are upset about it. All this but...but...history bullshit is just that.
It's time to let go of your hero traitor.
 
Let me see if I understand Hisharpy properly. Its not a symbol until it becomes magical? The Statue of Liberty is just a statue, not a symbol of freedom and prosperity this country represents? The flag isn't a symbol because that doesn't MAKE you a patriot? And people COULD have ignored people kneeling, that was just a projection of their inner ugliness? Not because it means something to them?

But if I could find the Morphers from Power Rangers THOSE would be symbols because they do in fact turn you into a ranger and lets you summon zords, which would also qualify as symbols because they are basically tanks?



Wanting people treated equally makes racists?:confused:

I think you have it correctly. It also appears to be true that they also do not observe the flag during the anthem because it's a symbol and don't put their hand on their heart because it's also a symbol

They don't acknowledge the flag or see any divisions of country via currency.

Sadly they may also have issues with stop signs and street signs which indicate locations and may associate anger because people attach meaning to crosswalks
 
It has been said that money is the measure of personal success. That statement has also been said to be meaningless by those who have no money or personal success. Anthems and flags change, are used as effigies, and either unite or divide based on the PERSONAL IDEOLOGIES of the people involved.


It's not a symbol. You keep trying to insist it is, but it isn't. It's a chunk of inert metal shaped into a likeness of a person. The only reality it has is that it's an inanimate object.

There is no "deeper meaning" because it has no meaning. Confusing meaning with purpose is where you go wrong. It's all on you. That you refuse to acknowledge that is where you keep failing in your understanding.

Tear it down, it's meaningless. Just realize that your act of tearing it down is an act of destruction, not creation.

The basics of what you're saying is that nobody has merit to attach meaning beyond physical material for anything in the world.

Got it
 
Not normally.

The left is anti-equality.... and widely consider equality to be racist.

Not just your everyday ascription folks, today we gets nonsensical ascription from BoBo.

Remind me again, BoBo Fatt, which party emphasizes social equality and equal opportunity?

Hint: It's not the right.
 
The basics of what you're saying is that nobody has merit to attach meaning beyond physical material for anything in the world.

Got it

No. What's worse, it's pathetic that you have to try and even go there in order to justify your insistence that it's a symbol.

The statue is ART. It's there because someone drew on that insubstantial something which dwells inside a human soul and gave it substance. Beyond that, it has nothing inherent in it. It doesn't mean anything, doesn't stand for anything, and doesn't exist for any purpose except as ART.

Anything ascribed to it comes from the PERSON viewing it. That's it. How you feel when you see it, is how YOU feel and the statue doesn't change at all.


What's funny is that the person who sculpted it, created something for the world to see and appreciate. You, on the other hand want to tear it down because you ascribe your own beliefs, feelings and hatreds to it. In essence; the sculptor creates, you destroy.

I think we both know which one serves the light.
 
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Why is anyone even defending these statues?

As I said, if you have to do it, then tear it down. Just stop justifying it by blaming the dead guy who lived a century and a half ago.

The fact that those who MUST justify it is where the problem is. Unfortunately, they can't see that.
 
Not normally.

The left is anti-equality....because it results in inequity, and widely consider equality to be racist.

Thus their demands for equity.

The Left in America is 100% pro equality. Inequity is going to happen not just between races but within them as well. We absolutely do not consider equality to be racist. We consider the fact that the Constitution was amended because prohibition was disrupting white peoples lives and nobody said "Well just don't drink" for very long after the men got back from WW1. By contrast ANY president could just write and EO and say "Look we are not prioritizing drugs" but because it primarily affects people of color it hasn't happened. "Nobody MADE you do drugs." Nobody makes you drink either.

We are upset that crack (an opioid) ravaged the black community for decades and nobody cared. Back under Obama opioids became a problem for middle class white people and it was declared a national emergency. We're not mad they are getting help. We're bad we didn't. We could go up and down the list but it happens time and time and time again.

This about more than outcomes, its about getting a remotely fair shake. When it has been shown time and time again that a white man in court is less likely to be convicted, and if convicted will get a shorter sentence. That's inequity.

One of the problems with you is you think if a thing isn't a law it doesn't/didn't happen consistently. There is nothing on the laws that says a woman must give it up to get certain jobs BUT as the Me2 movement showed it was happening A LOT. And worse we weren't surprised. Why does a woman who went to school for journalism need to give a BJ? And given how few media outlets there are "If you don't I'll call the other five and make sure you'll never be hired" is a real threat. People like you would answer "Well start your own network!" as if that was realistic for 90% of America. You can get some traction online but that's a VERY recent thing in the grand scheme of things. That's not equality leading to inequality. That's inequality doubling down because its an option they have open to them.

Why were we looking for Obama's BC? The citizenship of his mother was never questioned so it wouldn't matter where he was born. I never got to see Trumps BC. Since it specifically states in the Constitution NATURAL BORN wouldn't he be disqualified if his mother had a C-Section? That would be silly to try an enforce but if we look for one we should look for ALL.

One last one for shits and giggles. If BLM holds a rally that gets a little rowdy (most reports show at most it was 10% and probably less) its "They are rioting and destroying their own shit." Which given what we know about wealth inequality is relatively unlikely. However if your team wins a Super Bowl or Nationals and people start flipping cars and burning shit, which happens so often the media hardly covers it, its just boys will be boys.

<--- lurks in dark alleys where the light rarely penetrates.

So a symbol must be magic? The Statue of Liberty is just a statue, not a beacon of freedom and prosperty. On the other hand if I found the Morphers THOSE would be symbols because if I shout "Its morphin time!" I get spandex and the ability to summon zords? Is that about right.
 
No. What's worse, it's pathetic that you have to try and even go there in order to justify your insistence that it's a symbol.

The statue is ART. It's there because someone drew on that insubstantial something which dwells inside a human soul and gave it substance. Beyond that, it has nothing inherent in it. It doesn't mean anything, doesn't stand for anything, and doesn't exist for any purpose except as ART.

Anything ascribed to it comes from the PERSON viewing it. That's it. How you feel when you see it, is how YOU feel and the statue doesn't change at all.


What's funny is that the person who sculpted it, created something for the world to see and appreciate. You, on the other hand want to tear it down because you ascribe your own beliefs, feelings and hatreds to it. In essence; the sculptor creates, you destroy.

I think we both know which one serves the light.
If people are fighting for or against the statue, it's more than just a statue. Rarely does one see it as just a bunk of metal.

No matter how you wish to try and deny it...sorry

BTW, I defer to those with more skin in the game. There are no Jim crow statues around here.
 
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. . . decided they wanted a Confederate monument, and hired a sculptor, not because some artist had an artistic vision involving Lee.

The sculptor had a vision involving dollar signs and created a statue he was paid to create.
 
The statues were fine when they were originally put up to memorialize local history.

But, like so many other things, the degeneration of the GQP led to a changing meaning and reality. Had it not been for the Giant Orange Toddler and his minions, this conversation would never have happened.
 
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