Come on now that was a great speech

[HisArpy]

Yes. Apart from victimization of immigrants by coyotes, there is really no downside. No kid who was not disposed to crime already is going to turn to it because of the immigrants' example.

So, on the one hand, it's bad because the illegal immigrants are victimized. But, on the other hand, that continued victimization is ok because they and their kids also won't be victimized afterward?

I can tell you've never been in any immigrant community for longer than a drive by.

AFTER they get here, illegal immigrants don't get high paying jobs. They live in squalor, 4 to 6 in a single bedroom, sleeping on the floor of a cockroach infested house or apartment or in some shed in the backyard with no heat or light. Drugs and gangs are a way of life. Shootings are daily, almost hourly, occurrences. They have to buy food already cooked because they have no cooking or refrigeration which increases their living expenses from an already dismal pay packet.

Police and social services networks in the immigrant communities are extensive because of the high crime rate. High crime means higher policing costs. Hospitalization and emergency services costs are higher. It also means higher governmental costs for sanitation and maintenance because of the overcrowding due to hidden living arrangements because these areas weren't designed to support or accommodate the numbers of people living there.

On top of that, we PAY THEM to live under these conditions via HUD and Welfare programs, which means the cost to taxpayers is higher. We mandate "low income housing" for construction projects which, in turn, increase the cost of regular housing, increase crime in new neighborhoods AND increase taxpayer costs through the social programs mentioned above.

Yet, there is no downside? Somehow your worldview doesn't match reality.

 

[KingOrfeo]

NPR analyzes the speech statement by statement.

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ccording to the National Academy of Sciences, our current immigration system costs American taxpayers many billions of dollars a year. Switching away from this current system of lower-skilled immigration, and instead adopting a merit-based system, we will have so many more benefits. It will save countless dollars, raise workers' wages, and help struggling families, including immigrant families, enter the middle class. And they will do it quickly and they will be very, very happy indeed.

Trump appears to be referring to this study published last year by the National Academy of Sciences. It found that “the impact of immigration on the wages of native-born workers overall is very small.” The study also found that first-generation immigrants are more costly to state and local governments. But the children of immigrants, on the other hand, are among the “strongest economic and fiscal contributors in the U.S. population, contributing more in taxes than either their parents or the rest of the native-born population.”
Joel Rose
NPR Correspondent/Covers Immigration

 

[KingOrfeo]

NPR analyzes the speech statement by statement.

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To launch our national rebuilding, I will be asking the Congress to approve legislation that produces a $1 trillion investment in infrastructure of the United States financed through both, public and private capital, creating millions of new jobs.

This is the first time the president has suggested public financing will be needed in addition to private investment to fix and rebuild the nation’s infrastructure, but it is still unclear where that money will come from. There is significant opposition within Trump’s own party in Congress to raising gasoline and diesel taxes, and there is some opposition in his own party to increasing tolling on the nation’s highways, bridges and other infrastructure — a key way to leverage private funding for infrastructure.

If Congress approves spending $1 trillion on the nation’s infrastructure, that would be a much bigger investment than what lawmakers approved to address the Great Recession in the early days of the Obama administration. The 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act spent $787 billion in a much broader way — including tax cuts and tax credits, and aid to state governments and school districts to shore up their budgets and prevent layoffs — in addition to investments in public infrastructure, including what President Obama called “shovel ready” projects.
David Schaper
NPR National Desk Correspondent/Covers Transportation

 

[Rightguide]

Yes. Apart from victimization of immigrants by coyotes, there is really no downside. No kid who was not disposed to crime already is going to turn to it because of the immigrants' example. And, no, their presence does not depress any local economy, quite the reverse.

From what I can gather since being here you're a committed liberal. This means you see the world as you want it to be not how it really is, which makes most of your conclusions fanciful illusions.

 

[KingOrfeo]

NPR analyzes the speech statement by statement.

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This effort will be guided by two core principles: Buy American and hire American.

President Trump and his administration have not yet explained exactly what “buy American” will mean when it comes to rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure. There already are “buy America” requirements in federal law for materials used in federally funded transportation construction projects, especially for U.S.-made steel. Expanding such requirements could significantly increase the costs of rebuilding infrastructure, as we reported Monday.
David Schaper
NPR National Desk Correspondent/Covers Transportation

 

[KingOrfeo]

NPR analyzes the speech statement by statement.

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Obamacare premiums nationwide have increased by double and triple digits. As an example, Arizona went up 116% last year alone. Governor Matt Bevin of Kentucky just said Obamacare is failing in his state. The state of Kentucky, and it is unsustainable and collapsing.

Individual insurance premiums have increased an average 22 percent across the U.S. But it’s important to note that under the Affordable Care Act, subsidies to purchase insurance rise as premiums go up, so most people’s out-of-pocket premium costs don’t rise.
Alison Kodjak
NPR Health Policy Correspondent

 

[KingOrfeo]

NPR analyzes the speech statement by statement.

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Secondly, we should help Americans purchase their own coverage, through the use of tax credits and expanded health savings accounts, but it must be the plan they want, not the plan forced on them by our government.

The Republican proposal to replace Obamacare includes tax credits to help people buy insurance on the open market. However, those credits aren’t as generous as the subsidies in the Affordable Care Act and would very likely result in many low-income people not being able to afford comprehensive insurance.
Alison Kodjak
NPR Health Policy Correspondent

 

[KingOrfeo]

NPR analyzes the speech statement by statement.

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Thirdly, we should give our state governors the resources and flexibility they need with Medicaid to make sure no one is left out.

The House Republican proposal to replace Obamacare would roll back the law’s expansion of Medicaid. It would also turn the health program for the poor and people with disabilities largely over to the states, either as a fixed block grant or by giving the states a per capita sum. One analysis of the proposal found that the plan would save money but many people would lose coverage.
Alison Kodjak
NPR Health Policy Correspondent

 

[KingOrfeo]

NPR analyzes the speech statement by statement.

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Which will create a truly competitive national marketplace that will bring cost way down and provide far better care. So important. Everything that is broken in our country can be fixed. Every problem can be solved. And every hurting family can find healing and hope. Our citizens deserve this and so much more. So why not join forces and finally get the job done and get it done right?

Individual insurance coverage is regulated by states, not the federal government, so insurers have to have their plans approved state by state. However, the Affordable Care Act permits states to join together to sell insurance across state lines, and at least three states now allow some form of cross-border sales of health insurance. So far, however, no insurers have shown interest in selling Obamacare plans across state lines. Many analysts say that some consumers might see some savings but could also end up with fewer protections — and fewer guaranteed benefits — than they have in their own state. Selling/buying insurance across state lines is mostly a theory, so far not proved to work.

Alison Kodjak
NPR Health Policy Correspondent

 

[KingOrfeo]

NPR analyzes the speech statement by statement.

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We are blessed to be joined tonight by Carryn Owens, the widow of a U.S. Navy Special Operator, Senior Chief William "Ryan" Owens. Ryan died as he lived: a warrior, and a hero –- battling against terrorism and securing our nation.

What followed was clearly a powerful moment in the speech, referencing Owen’s death in a raid in Yemen. But though Owens’ widow was there, it was notable who wasn’t — Owens’ parents. This week, Owens’ father called for an investigation and refused to meet with Trump when the president met his son’s body at Dover Air Force Base. “I told them I didn’t want to make a scene about it, but my conscience wouldn’t let me talk to him,” Owens’ father, Bill, a veteran who said he did not vote for Trump, told the Miami Herald. Irritated with the White House’s using his son’s death as cover against those who criticize the raid, Bill Owens said, “Don’t hide behind my son’s death to prevent an investigation. I want an investigation. … The government owes my son an investigation.”
Domenico Montanaro
NPR Political Editor

 

[KingOrfeo]

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I just spoke to our great General Mattis, just now, who reconfirmed that, and I quote, "Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemies." Ryan's legacy is etched into eternity. Thank you. Thank you.

Other Pentagon officials have a slightly different view of the information, saying the intelligence gathered was not “actionable,” meaning it can’t be used right away for other military operations. Still, they say the gathered information provides an insight in al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula’s activities and operations and could be used for future operations.

And while the president referred to the “great Gen. Mattis” in his address to Congress, earlier in the day on Fox & Friends, Trump placed the blame for Ryan’s death on the military hierarchy. “This was something they wanted to do,” he said, adding, “and they lost Ryan.”
Tom Bowman
NPR Pentagon Reporter

 

[KingOrfeo]

NPR analyzes the speech statement by statement.

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But our partners must meet their financial obligations.

And now, based on our very strong and frank discussions, they are beginning to do just that. In fact I can tell you, the money is pouring in. Very nice.

Trump alludes to tough talk during the presidential campaign and since about what he characterized as freeloading nations mooching off American power. In some cases, it was incorrect — South Korea and Japan, which he criticized, contribute billions of dollars to help host the tens of thousands of American troops deployed there. In other cases he amplified a long-standing complaint by Pentagon leaders that only a few members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization spend at least 2 percent of their national budgets on defense, as NATO’s founding charter requires. Most of the 28 members of NATO spend less, and notwithstanding post-inauguration overtures by Trump and his top lieutenants, there has been no indication that France, Germany, Italy or other powers have committed to major new spikes. And these kinds of relationships don’t involve payments to the United States but rather how much countries spend in their own defense budgets, so there is no “money pouring in.”
Phil Ewing NPR National Security Editor

 

[HisArpy]

From what I can gather since being here you're a committed liberal. This means you see the world as you want it to be not how it really is, which makes most of your conclusions fanciful illusions.

The thing that has become apparent about the Big O is that he's pretty adept at the keyboard. His google-fu is very good and he believes he knows all/sees all.

That doesn't mean he ever gets out of the house. Nor does it mean that because he found it on the interwebz, it MUST BE be true.

 

[KingOrfeo]

From what I can gather since being here you're a committed liberal. This means you see the world as you want it to be not how it really is, which makes most of your conclusions fanciful illusions.

In these debates I'm always the one with the real facts on my side, backed up by cites to reliable sources, which you always ignore or dismiss. You base everything on alternative facts, i.e., falsehoods. That makes me the one who sees the world how it really is, as liberals generally do.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Bill Maher: Trump's speech will fool a lot of people





Comshaw

I like Maher a lot. Much of his ideas a good ones. But, he's become someone who cares too much about popular opinion in him ever since he got fired for a direct and honest politically incorrect opinion.

I don't pay much attention to his opinion, since Trump as a person, is not likable anyway. He is not your ideal wow that everyone wants to be. And i'm sure everyone agrees on that.

The weird matter to me is how people against Trump think those who support him are so stupid, and degenerates, - or deplorables i suppose - . to like him; and entirely discount the possibility that Trump is simply the kind of guy who could get a certain agenda through. And ironically, one that most Americans are interested in getting through, who are primarily leftists... !

People aren't able to get over what Trump is, and just consider how many times they wanted real change and it never happened, and so, by the very people they voted for. Yes, i'm still talking about leftists. Like I was.

Ever heard a republican President call for paid parental leave, and a republican congress standing up clapping for it? This is bizzarro world in "normal" politics.

A no body, would crumble. A veteran is already bought. Trump is a the kind of guy who is strong enough, cannot be bought, and likes listening to experts, and get's stuff done no one else reasonably could.

And let's hope. I predict he'll have fights with both left and right over stuff. But no one in this thread so far has said: I don't like this proposal, or that. Only OldJourno briefly, but he did not specify what.

Everyone is just attacking the character, and not the content. Which is kinda dumb.

 

[KingOrfeo]

His google-fu is very good and he believes he knows all/sees all.

What I don't know, I know how to find out, and I know how to judge the reliability of a source.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They had to dig deep to come up with that back bencher. Apparently, he's the only white man they didn't tell to shut up.

He was picked because the Libs have convinced themselves that Trump either say something offensive or reverse all of his positions in which case those white blue collar Democrats would have a familiar face saying/inferring now you know you made a mistake, welcome back to the fold. They did not think they needed to expose any of their top, radical, talent who would play cleanup in the months to come.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Utter losers. I relate a lot to this guy. I was a pro Dem until a few years ago.


But, what was those army people's beef? Why didn't they stand up for that navy seal?

I was raised blue-collar union Democrat and lived on the family farm where my grandparents were FDR Democrats. I started drifting away after Carter and the sleeze of Bill Clinton really sealed the deal; it was painful to watch feminists defend his abhorrent behavior towards women.

I'll be doing a thread on the SEAL raid later today now that it seems to be becoming a political football. There is a great deal about that raid that hasn't been reported so far.

Ishmael

I'll look forward to that.

 

[SyKoKo]

What is the over under on Queer Orafarce being in a looney bin......3 or 4 months?

 

[HisArpy]

What I don't know, I know how to find out, and I know how to judge the reliability of a source.

Translation: "I saw it on the internet and it's true! The internet says so!"

 

[EternalFantasies]

I was raised blue-collar union Democrat and lived on the family farm where my grandparents were FDR Democrats. I started drifting away after Carter and the sleeze of Bill Clinton really sealed the deal; it was painful to watch feminists defend his abhorrent behavior towards women.

You catapulted too far off on the other side tho, no?

And, you know, on this forum, i wonder how many have this work environment fantasy, under the boss' desk, etc. male and female perhaps...

was courageous of both of them to take the fantasy all the way to the Oval.


"Abhorrent"; on literotica

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

My guiding economic and political philosophies are very close to those of our founders.

 

[EternalFantasies]

My guiding economic and political philosophies are very close to those of our founders.

Those are not exact science. They are also contextual, with hopes of progress. Which makes the contemporary version rather debatable. No?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Ludwig von Mises made Economics an exact Science when he united micro and macroeconomics.

The only thing that makes economics in the future unpredictable is Human Action.

But the laws are pretty much immutable.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Translation: "I saw it on the internet and it's true! The internet says so!"

More like, "I saw it in the NYT/WaPo/NPR/Snopes/Wikipedia/RationalWiki/a peer-reviewed scientific study so it's true." And it almost always is.