Keeping Carrier in the USA

[about_average]

No new business can "immediately afford" anything. Any money they have to start with it's going to be the amount that Venture capitalists choose to advance them in furtherance of starting the business. And no Venture capitalists are interested in starting a business for the purpose of babysitting employees.

it's not called greed it's called enlightened self-interest. And it's what capitalism does best. You don't like it move to Venezuela.

If any of these ideas were any good why didn't you try to advance them when you elected a socialist to the White House and had Democrats holding both the Senate and the house. No instead you decided to do a really really complicated Medicaid expansion. Something I could have done with one sheet of paper and boatloads of federal money.

Have you sent your one sheet of paper to them? Because that's their first order of business, reworking Medicare and repealing and replacing the ACA.

You idiots had your chance, you blew it. We're going to try capitalism now.

Ok, lets see if the 115th congress can get the growth rate to 4% (I won't even hold Trump to his claimed 6% rate) and create 2.5 million new jobs.
According to you, it's going happen.

 

[Conager]

Have you sent your one sheet of paper to them? Because that's their first order of business, reworking Medicare and repealing and replacing the ACA.

Ok, lets see if the 115th congress can get the growth rate to 4% (I won't even hold Trump to his claimed 6% rate) and create 2.5 million new jobs.
According to you, it's going happen.

According to me? Talk about ascription.

Your ilk is still whining about the car being driven into the ditch 8 years after the recession ended. Your side is still refusing to take responsibility for the disaster that was caused by the community reinvestment Act and the subsequent lack of oversight by specifically the authors of the bill purported to a fix the problem Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

I do know that contrary to what was promised the Affordable Care Act made Health Care affordable to no one other than those given a government handout for that and contrary to what was promised it did not in any way shape or form improve the economy.

 

[Conager]

I have no idea what the growth rate is going to be but when everyone assume Hillary would be elected the projected growth rate for the next year was 1.8%. Now that Trump hasbeen elected analysts have revised that to 3.6%.

 

[about_average]

Government spends less, collects less taxes from Carrier, Carrier gives more millions in bonuses to "upper management", Carrier still relocates, thousands lose their jobs anyway.

Sigh.

A number of studies show the tax revenue is pretty much a wash as far as impact to the local economy regardless if they give the breaks or not.

 

[Lancecastor]

For the past 3 years or so, Big Media has been training us all to believe in The End of Growth.

Now all of a sudden, there's going to be yuge growth.

Funny stuff!

 

[BotanyBoy]

You have to keep the issues simple for all the partisan hacksmiths around here.

LOL

Company give smaller bonuses to "upper management". Can afford continued production in 'Merica. U.S.

So just forcing them right? End trade with other countries?

workers keep job. CEOs and such can still afford jet skis, in ground pools and Lexus.

That's totally fucking irrelevant.

People here needlessly complicate the issues.

It's not complex....none of this is really the federal governments fuckin' bidnizz and they need to take their cut and get the fuck outtta the way.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You idiots had your chance, you blew it. We're going to try capitalism now.

Oh bullshit...I'll believe it when I see it.

Trumps a liberal and an elitist, if he can use the government to enrich himself that's what he's going to do. The river of tears from the social justice warriors and total melt down from the other sects of ride or die for the party (D)'s was as good as it's going to get, that was maximum satisfaction.

 

[about_average]

According to me? Talk about ascription.

Yes, according to you.

Your position is that the only reason dems didn't get it done during the 111th congress, the only one during which they controlled all 3 houses, was because they didn't want to.

So that means you can only believe that if the republicans don't do it in one term, they don't really want to.
Or are you going to hold them to a different standard?

 

[Conager]

Oh bullshit...I'll believe it when I see it.

Trumps a liberal and an elitist, if he can use the government to enrich himself that's what he's going to do. The river of tears from the social justice warriors and total melt down from the other sects of ride or die for the party (D)'s was as good as it's going to get, that was maximum satisfaction.

You are right of course, but it sounded good at the time.

I'm going to hate how much the left is going to secretly love the way Trump governs.

 

[Conager]

Yes, according to you.

Your position is that the only reason dems didn't get it done during the 111th congress, the only one during which they controlled all 3 houses, was because they didn't want to.

So that means you can only believe that if the republicans don't do it in one term, they don't really want to.
Or are you going to hold them to a different standard?

And you went from there to some discussion about 4 to 6% growth a standard you came nowhere near holding Obama to.

Despite the fact that this is the first recovery ever where there's no rebound from the recession. Shortly after recession and when prices are depressed and labor is cheap and readily available we usually see a boom generally in construction. We son none of that. No one dared hire anyone while they waited just decide what this nonsense that is Obama Care was going to be.

I'm pretty sure the Republicans aren't going to spend their Capital taking over one sixth of the economy and handling it horribly

 

[Disgustipated]

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[water505]

The present course of action is rewarding greed while doing nothing to help the hundreds of workers that Carrier IS laying off and millions in tax revenue will be lost in the process.

That is just stooopid.

If my boss offers me a $10,000.00 bonus for coming to work the next day does that make me greedy?

 

[Conager]

http://i.imgur.com/lZdllsG.png

You're not wrong about that. All such things are publicity stunts.

It really isn't the function of the president to be negotiating tax incentives for a particular company.

Not if even if they're making really cool electric cars or stoppng the seas from rising with a green energy project.

The government should be in the business of staying out of the way of businesses employing people and much more importantly turning a profit so they can actually stay in business.

 

[water505]

Where were all these objections to government spending when Obama paid a $400,000,000.00 ransom to Iran? And that's not even the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Disgustipated]

The government should be in the business of staying out of the way of businesses employing people and much more importantly turning a profit so they can actually stay in business.

Right. Fair trade, monopolies, and shitty business practices don't mean shit. Amirite?.

 

[Wrong Element]

None other than Sarah Palin condemned the Carrier silliness, saying basically the same things she would have said had Obama done it, except she didn't use the word "socialism."

Give her points for consistency, at least. The same can't be said of very many folks here.

I like how people keep harping on "1100 jobs saved" when, in reality, it's 800.
300 were never being laid off, they were going to stay employed, in the US, with Carrier.

If we actually had a "liberal media," the headlines would have been "Carrier gets tax break despite sending 1000 jobs to Mexico," instead of "Conquering hero Trump saves 1000 jobs."

 

[Conager]

Right. Fair trade, monopolies, and shitty business practices don't mean shit. Amirite?.

Who do you think raises barriers to competition that makes monopolies possible?

I wouldn't know what a shady business practices. I tend to not do business with what I consider shitty businesses.

Have no idea where you're going with fair trade. I do know that our trade deals tend to not be necessarily fair to Americans we have the same attitude that the nuclear disarmament folks had. Let's show them how wonderful we are by disarming and maybe they'll do the same.

if you're talking about fair trade the way it is commonly marketed these days as a marketing gimmick I have less than no interest in what that usually entails. As far as I'm concerned if you sell your cocoa beans cheaply that must have been enough or you wouldn't have sold them at that price.

It's not my job to raise up all of the impoverished people in the world.

 

[Conager]

None other than Sarah Palin condemned the Carrier silliness, saying basically the same things she would have said had Obama done it, except she didn't use the word "socialism."

Give her points for consistency, at least. The same can't be said of very many folks here.







If we actually had a "liberal media," the headlines would have been "Carrier gets tax break despite sending 1000 jobs to Mexico," instead of "Conquering hero Trump saves 1000 jobs."

What a shame that they don't accentuate the positive with Obama's numbers.

Good for Sarah Palin she is correct. It isn't a president's job. Just like solyndra and Tesla were not Obama's job.

 

[Disgustipated]

Who do you think raises barriers to competition that makes monopolies possible?

I wouldn't know what a shady business practices. I tend to not do business with what I consider shitty businesses.

Have no idea where you're going with fair trade. I do know that our trade deals tend to not be necessarily fair to Americans we have the same attitude that the nuclear disarmament folks had. Let's show them how wonderful we are by disarming and maybe they'll do the same.

if you're talking about fair trade the way it is commonly marketed these days as a marketing gimmick I have less than no interest in what that usually entails. As far as I'm concerned if you sell your cocoa beans cheaply that must have been enough or you wouldn't have sold them at that price.

It's not my job to raise up all of the impoverished people in the world.

As a consumer, you wouldn't know what businesses are shady or not.

And we only ask that you raise yourself up Good luck with that.

 

[phrodeau]

Where were all these objections to government spending when Obama paid a $400,000,000.00 ransom to Iran? And that's not even the tip of the iceberg.

Where do you get this shit? Please answer honestly for a change.

 

[CardiacArrest]

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Mother says to son, "Honey, that's good news about President Trump keeping
your job at Carrier. Oops... my robe opened again. Sorry about that."

Son replies, "No apology necessary."

Mother says, "Well, why don't we go upstairs to my bedroom and celebrate?"

Son replies, "Sounds good to me."

 

[OldJourno]

Where do you get this shit? Please answer honestly for a change.

Seriously? You don't know about this?

 

[phrodeau]

Seriously? You don't know about this?

I know that there was a false claim about some money being sent to Iran as ransom. I wonder why people still believe it.

 

[about_average]

And you went from there to some discussion about 4 to 6% growth a standard you came nowhere near holding Obama to

Obama didn't promise 4-6% growth during the 2008 campaign. Nor did he promise, as I recall, 25 million new jobs within 10 years.

Where do you get this shit? Please answer honestly for a change.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[Conager]

Obama didn't promise 4-6% growth during the 2008 campaign. Nor did he promise, as I recall, 25 million new jobs within 10 years.

Don't hold your breath.

So, for the third and final time how is that MY claim?