Texas Whackadoo Wants To Dissolve The United States?

[Five_Inch_Heels]

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/...ls-for-state-nullification-of-U-S-6745684.php

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/...ott-calls-for-convention-to-amend-cons/npz2G/

 

[JackLuis]

Maybe we should call a convention to discuss giving Texas back to Mexico?

 

[SamSternberg]

Maybe we should call a convention to discuss giving Texas back to Mexico?

Sounds good to me, just be sure to take everything we built before doing so.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sounds good to me, just be sure to take everything we built before doing so.

Let them have it, cheapest price we could pay at this point.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

I propose splitting it up. Give part to each bordering state, but cut the Schlong off and give it to Mexico free.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Between this Goof and Judge Roy Doofus in Alabammy, we may be seeing the first shots of a new Civil War.

I really don't expect the US to exist 100 years from now.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'd be shocked if it isn't. But I won't be around in 100 years to collect my I told you so. I guess it depends at least partially on how you define around however.

 

[JackLuis]

Maybe we should just whack Abbot's doddle and call it even?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'd be shocked if it isn't. But I won't be around in 100 years to collect my I told you so. I guess it depends at least partially on how you define around however.

Never know...medical tech is rocketing right along....we might just see 130-140.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Never know...medical tech is rocketing right along....we might just see 130-140.

I'm really planning on making an app that has an I told you so.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'm really planning on making an app that has an I told you so.

I'm bitter enough, I'll give you 0.99$ for that....I have a few I need to set up.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm bitter enough, I'll give you 0.99$ for that....I have a few I need to set up.

Not only am I bitter enough but I'm honestly enough to know that there are probably some things I said back in 2005 that nobody cares enough to remember but I was wrong or vice versa. And I think it would be AWESOME if there was an "Sean Renaud TOLD you this shit 1/1/2016" When it comes to pass in 2030 and we've both forgotten.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Well, you already have idiots in Texas, Oregon, Alabama and the Trump-ettes doing their damndest to split it up.

 

[Hypoxia]

Another one.

These show up all the time -- some asshole playing to their disturbed audience, playing at breaking up a county, state, nation, whatever. It ain't worked too well at the national level so far. The last state split was the Virginias during the War of Southern Treason. County splits have been a bit more common, but none recently AFAIK.

Many reactionary pols are pushing sedition. Armed guys taking over a federal building in Oregon is sedition. In most countries that's High Treason and rates a fast firing squad. No such luck here; on-the-ground insurrectionists are backed by elected traitors. Yow.

 

[Sean Renaud]

How teh fuck does that even happen? County splits I fully understand as well as county consolidation. As a Californian it's patently absurd the territory that Los Angeles (and I presume San Fran and Diego are everybit as bad) covers. No place that contains Beverly Hills, South Central and the Valley can be considered one unit.

 

[Que]

How teh fuck does that even happen? County splits I fully understand as well as county consolidation. As a Californian it's patently absurd the territory that Los Angeles (and I presume San Fran and Diego are everybit as bad) covers. No place that contains Beverly Hills, South Central and the Valley can be considered one unit.

Apply that reasoning to the several States, and then the union of States we refer to as the US and you see the problem with representational governance that is by no stretch of anyone imagination representational.

The only solution to any of it is more local control on everything.

If we are loath to tell the Kurds, or the Shia, or the Sunni, how to live (well, we should be loathe to do so) why should we care or dictate in the small or the large issues how Bostonians, or PoDunkVillians choose to live?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Apply that reasoning to the several States, and then the union of States we refer to as the US and you see the problem with representational governance that is by no stretch of anyone imagination representational.

The only solution to any of it is more local control on everything.

If we are loath to tell the Kurds, or the Shia, or the Sunni, how to live (well, we should be loathe to do so) why should we care or dictate in the small or the large issues how Bostonians, or PoDunkVillians choose to live?

That's a good reason to end the United States however, not a good reason for a weak Federal Government mind you, particularly on the issues that this generally comes up on. Laws that ban X are useless when a twenty minute drive eliminates them.

Ultimately the Kurds, Shia and Sunnie is an entirely different scenario mind you. Ideally large cities wouldn't tell the small ones how to lvie but we aren't given a choice other than to disolve the nation.

Let's take abortion since it's a big one. IF abortion is murder what exactly do you do if you're from podunkia and Suzie Rottencrotch is pregnant, leaves and returns not pregnant? Legally speaking you not only have to press charges but unless LA has a nonextradition treaty with your town (as absurd as that sounds) where she did it doesn't matter.

Marriage is a legal contract giving lots and lots of rights and privileges. Are we really going to let podunkia say that we aren't married or I don't owe alimony or whatever other crazy (but lets be honest I'm not pulling absurdly crazy shit that could never happen out of my ass) shit fly?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Make Texas into the four states it already is. Just formally recognize them.

While we are at it, make California the three states it should be as well. And combine the Dakotas, the Carolinas and the Virginas. The map needs a substantial overhaul.

 

[1sickbastard]

Sounds like he's planning a 2020 presidential bid.
He can call for a convention all he wants, but the likelihood of a constitutional convention actually being held is pretty small. Top that off with anything a convention produces being ratified by 38 different state legislative bodies and you'd get better odds of the NY Jets having a perfect season and winning the Super Bowl, or of Gary Johnson being the first Libertarian Party POTUS.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Make Texas into the four states it already is. Just formally recognize them.

While we are at it, make California the three states it should be as well. And combine the Dakotas, the Carolinas and the Virginas. The map needs a substantial overhaul.

I don't think we need more states.

I think we need to combine quite a few, lean the federal gov down...with as many representatives as we have it's no wonder we cant' get shit done, to many god damn chiefs in this country. Then let each region or new state govern itself. Let the south be a Christian Afghanistan with honor killings and slaves. Let the hippies in the PNW have their socialist utopia, let the SW buy water from the rest of the country instead of paying senators to rob other states, let the NE do their thing and the midwest do theirs. Basically several countries with one military.

Our map, political process and government structure at large all need substantial overhauls.

Each one of these (NorCal/OR/WA should be PNW and west TX should deff be west from the panhandle over)
http://thomaslegion.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/map_of_usa_regions_by_us_census_bureau.jpg

might as well be totally different nations. WA/OR/NorCal have more in common with Sweden than they do SoCal, AZ,NV, UT and NM. And would be considerably more like them if the fuckin' pricks in the south would stop telling us we can't be socialist.

They want a theocracy bigger than shit.....we should let them. No real need to bicker and fight...but then again we still refuse to convert to the metric system so I'm not expecting any sort of intelligent or productive politickin' out of the USA anytime soon.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I don't think we need more states.

I think we need to combine quite a few, lean the federal gov down...with as many representatives as we have it's no wonder we cant' get shit done, to many god damn chiefs in this country. Then let each region or new state govern itself. Let the south be a Christian Afghanistan with honor killings and slaves. Let the hippies in the PNW have their socialist utopia, let the SW buy water from the rest of the country instead of paying senators to rob other states, let the NE do their thing and the midwest do theirs. Basically several countries with one military.

Our map, political process and government structure at large all need substantial overhauls.

Each one of these (NorCal/OR/WA should be PNW and west TX should deff be west from the panhandle over)
http://thomaslegion.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/map_of_usa_regions_by_us_census_bureau.jpg

might as well be totally different nations. WA/OR/NorCal have more in common with Sweden than they do SoCal, AZ,NV, UT and NM. And would be considerably more like them if the fuckin' pricks in the south would stop telling us we can't be socialist.

They want a theocracy bigger than shit.....we should let them.

We need more representation. We have the same number of "representatives" in this republic as we did in 1911 with the Apportionment Act of 1911 when there were around 90 million people in the US. We have around 325M to 330M people in the US now. That is a lot of loss of representation. Proportionally, if we were to follow the Constitution we should have over 10,000 representatives.

 

[Sean Renaud]

10k is simply too many to function. However from a practical point I don't disagree with you that we kinda get screwed. Especially California, New York and. . .yeah Texas.

But even what we have is difficult to manage.

 

[Hypoxia]

USA will not be broken-up peaceably. Lines on maps are drawn by armed force. Whoever conquers some place gets to set boundaries and names on the maps.

Any constitutional amendments providing for redistribution of power and boundaries in USA will occur after the next civil war -- which could go nuclear, and thus be The End Of The World (As We Know It).

Hint: That would not be A Good Thing.

 

[BotanyBoy]

We need more representation.

At the federal level our government is practically non-functional as it is because there are so many people bickering over so many opinions over how shit should be done. Mostly because regionally/culturally no one law will suit the entire country.

The socialist of the NW will never see eye to eye with the theocons of the south with the elitist of the NE with the needs of the Midwest and the concerns of life in the Southwest. Nor should they.

So until we break up these territories, and let the south be a bunch of theocon whackadoodles, let the PNW hug their trees and smoke their ganja, let the farmers in the west graze their cattle how they want etc. our federal government will continue to suck ass for EVERYONE. They are simply too diverse culturally/geographically/politically and economically for 1 government and 1 law to suit all if any of their needs and no amount of representation will fix that.

Proportionally, if we were to follow the Constitution we should have over 10,000 representatives.

All the more argument for restructuring the whole fuckin' shabang.

Could you imagine a congress with 10,000 fuckin' reps trying to get shit done? LMFAO the federal government would cease to function at all.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It didn't take war to get us where we are, no reason we can't do it again. We may not but it's not actually a prereq.