That Pipeline

[trysail]

If all else fails, you could always build a pipeline (oops, did somebody already think of that?)

Derailment
Mt. Carbon, West Virginia
17 February

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[Ajax_Prime]

Pipelines are dangerous, yo. And they leak like millions of barrels of oil a year. Excuse, me I have to go back to watching Maury and smoke a blunt.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Democrat party has increasingly become the party of the lunatic fringe.

Ishmael, Serial Child Killer

Yep, remember when the Democrats insisted a raped woman couldn't get pregnant because her body would just shut it down? Oh wait, that was the Republicans. Never mind.

 

[Que]

I thought "the pipeline" was about oil not fallopian tubes??

 

[trysail]

The President just spit in the face of the majority of U.S. citizens.


If you don't have a job or you're underemployed, that man effectively just said, "I couldn't care less."





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[Lancecastor]

I would prefer we refind the oil in canada first then pipe it south.

But yeah, that pipeline should be built .

I think ish and i actually agree on this one.(wtf?)

 

[Disgustipated]

The President just spit in the face of the majority of U.S. citizens.


If you don't have a job or you're underemployed, that man effectively just said, "I couldn't care less."
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Sucks for you, Crayola Boi.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The President just spit in the face of the majority of U.S. citizens.


If you don't have a job or you're underemployed, that man effectively just said, "I couldn't care less."





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He's doing what the majority of American voters elected him to do.
If you have enough votes to override a Presidential veto, then more power to ya.

Otherwise, it's all about teh Checkz 'n Balancez, bae.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

Pipelines are dangerous, yo. And they leak like millions of barrels of oil a year. Excuse, me I have to go back to watching Maury and smoke a blunt.

They leak millions of gallons? If there is a catastrophic failure, you would probably have a spill in the tens of thousands. Even then it could be stopped quickly compared to an offshore site.

The BP Oil Spill pumped more than 200 million gallons of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico for a total of 87 days, making it the biggest oil spill in U.S. history.

It took 87 fucking days to cap it because it was deep in the Atlantic. And the reason they were drilling deep in the Atlantic in the first place, because environmental groups make it extremely difficult to drill on land or closer to shore. A percentage of the blame for that oil spill is on them as well.

If I had to choose between a pipeline or an off-shore drilling platform in the ocean that has a couple miles of water between it and the bottom, I'm choosing land every time.

 

[Ishmael]

Pipelines are dangerous, yo. And they leak like millions of barrels of oil a year. Excuse, me I have to go back to watching Maury and smoke a blunt.

A fact right out of "Modern EcoFreak" Comics.

Ishmael

 

[cowslinger64]

A fact right out of "Modern EcoFreak" Comics.

Ishmael

United States[edit]
Main article: List of pipeline accidents in the United States
See also: Wikipedia's List of pipeline accidents in the United States during the 21st century.[22]

From 1994 through 2013, the U.S. had 745 serious incidents with gas distribution, causing 278 fatalities and 1059 injuries, with $110,658,083 in property damage.[23]

From 1994 through 2013, there were an additional 110 serious incidents with gas transmission, resulting in 41 fatalities, 195 injuries, and $448,900,333 in property damage.[24]

From 1994 through 2013, there were an additional 941 serious incidents with gas all system type, resulting in 363 fatalities, 1392 injuries, and $823,970,000 in property damage.[25]

A recent Wall Street Journal review found that there were 1,400 pipeline spills and accidents in the U.S. 2010-2013. According to the Journal review, four in every five pipeline accidents are discovered by local residents, not the companies that own the pipelines.[26]

Explosion Details

1999 (June 10) An Olympic gasoline pipeline ruptured near Bellingham, Washington, resulting in 3 deaths, a fly fisherman and two 10-year-old boys. The cause was a series of errors and malfunctions in relief systems and process control computer systems in the Olympic Pipeline system, resulting in 277,000 gallons of gasoline spilled to Whatcom Creek. The fire burned for five days.[27][28]
2000 (19 August) A 30-inch El Paso Energy natural gas pipeline exploded, killing twelve people in southeast New Mexico. They were camping under a bridge which carried the pipeline across the Pecos River. The explosion occurred underground on the east side of the river 200 to 300 yards from the campers around 5:30 a.m.. The explosion left a crater 86 feet long, 46 feet wide and 20 feet deep. The fireball was visible 20 miles north in Carlsbad, N.M. The pipeline was installed in 1950.[29]
2004 (May 24) A pinhole-sized leak caused by wear unleashed thousands of gallons of gasoline that fueled the BP / Olympic pipeline fire and explosion near the Westfield Shoppingtown Southcenter in Renton, Washington. The blaze sent three firefighters to the hospital, and a mile-square area, which included a nearby fire station, was cordoned off. The leak occurred in a half-inch-wide tube of stainless steel that Olympic operators use to extract fuel samples from the system's 16-inch-wide main line. A metal electrical conduit had rubbed against the stainless steel sampling tube to open the pinhole leak.[30]
2010 (September 9) At 6:11 PM, a PG&E 30-inch natural gas line exploded in San Bruno, California, killing 8. Eyewitnesses reported the initial blast "had a wall of fire more than 1,000 feet high".[31]
2010 (July 25) Crude oil pipeline ruptures near Marshall, Michigan, spilling over 840,000 gallons of oil into the Kalamazoo River [32][33]
2012 (12 December) a 20-inch transmission line owned by NiSource Inc., parent of Columbia Gas, exploded, leveling 4 houses, between Sissonville and Pocatalico in Kanawha County, West Virginia (WV). When it blew, nobody at pipeline operator, Columbia Gas Transmission knew it. An 800' section of I-77 was obliterated.[34][35] "The fire melted the interstate and it looked like lava, just boiling." Later the West Virginia Public Service Commission released several pages of violations by Columbia Gas.[36] Forty families were "impacted" by the explosion.[37] The investigation cited "corrosion" as the cause of the blast.[34][38]
2013 (29 March) ExxonMobil pipeline carrying Canadian Wabasca heavy crude from the Athabasca oil sands ruptured in Mayflower, Arkansas, about 25 miles northwest of Little Rock. Approximately 12,000 barrels (1,900 m3) of oil mixed with water had been recovered by March 31. Twenty-two homes were evacuated.[1] The United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified the leak as a major spill. A reported 5,000−7,000 barrels of crude were released.[39]
2013 (20 August) Explosion of a natural gas pipeline near Kiowa southwest of Oklahoma City [40]
2013 (8 October) Explosion of a natural gas pipeline near Rosston, Oklahoma.[41]
2014 (Jan 25) A Trans Canada pipeline about 15 miles south of Winnipeg ruptured and exploded. The incident prompted the precautionary closure of two nearby pipelines. The pipelines supply the main source of natural gas to more than 100,000 Xcel Energy customers in eastern North Dakota, northwestern Minnesota and western Wisconsin.[42] The explosion happened near Otterburne, Manitoba, about 15 miles south of the provincial capital, Winnipeg. The area was evacuated as a precaution. No injuries were reported but the fire burned for more than 12 hours.[43]
2014 (Feb) In Knifely, Adair County, Kentucky, a Columbia Gulf gas pipeline exploded at 1 a.m. flattening homes, burning barns, and causing one casualty. The 30-inch natural gas pipeline was about 100 feet from Highway 76 and buried 30 feet underground. When it exploded, large rocks and sections of pipeline flew into the air, leaving a 60-foot crater. Columbia Gulf, part of NiSource’s Columbia Pipeline Group, owns and operates more than 15,700 miles of natural gas pipelines, one of the largest underground storage systems in North America. The pipeline that exploded was carrying natural gas from the Gulf of Mexico to New York.[44]
2014 (Feb 11) A Hiland gas pipeline exploded about six miles south of Tioga, North Dakota. Hiland was "blowing" hydrates, ice-like solids formed from a mixture of water and gas that can block pipeline flow, out of the pipeline.[45]
2014 (Mar 14) A Northern Natural Gas Company pipeline erupted near the intersection of county roads 20 and O, about six miles north of Fremont, Nebraska. A company spokesman said, "In the summer you can tell if you've got a gas leak by vegetation, sometimes it dies in the ground."[46]
2014 (May 26) A Viking gas pipeline explosion near Warren, Minnesota was "hell on earth," shaking the ground and shooting a fireball over 100 feet in the air. Roads within a two-mile radius were blocked off. Authorities suspected natural causes because there was still frost in the ground and the soil was wet.[42][47]

 

[doubleover]

United States[edit]
Main article: List of pipeline accidents in the United States
See also: Wikipedia's List of pipeline accidents in the United States during the 21st century.[22]

From 1994 through 2013, the U.S. had 745 serious incidents with gas distribution, causing 278 fatalities and 1059 injuries, with $110,658,083 in property damage.[23]

From 1994 through 2013, there were an additional 110 serious incidents with gas transmission, resulting in 41 fatalities, 195 injuries, and $448,900,333 in property damage.[24]

From 1994 through 2013, there were an additional 941 serious incidents with gas all system type, resulting in 363 fatalities, 1392 injuries, and $823,970,000 in property damage.[25]

A recent Wall Street Journal review found that there were 1,400 pipeline spills and accidents in the U.S. 2010-2013. According to the Journal review, four in every five pipeline accidents are discovered by local residents, not the companies that own the pipelines.[26]

Explosion Details

1999 (June 10) An Olympic gasoline pipeline ruptured near Bellingham, Washington, resulting in 3 deaths, a fly fisherman and two 10-year-old boys. The cause was a series of errors and malfunctions in relief systems and process control computer systems in the Olympic Pipeline system, resulting in 277,000 gallons of gasoline spilled to Whatcom Creek. The fire burned for five days.[27][28]
2000 (19 August) A 30-inch El Paso Energy natural gas pipeline exploded, killing twelve people in southeast New Mexico. They were camping under a bridge which carried the pipeline across the Pecos River. The explosion occurred underground on the east side of the river 200 to 300 yards from the campers around 5:30 a.m.. The explosion left a crater 86 feet long, 46 feet wide and 20 feet deep. The fireball was visible 20 miles north in Carlsbad, N.M. The pipeline was installed in 1950.[29]
2004 (May 24) A pinhole-sized leak caused by wear unleashed thousands of gallons of gasoline that fueled the BP / Olympic pipeline fire and explosion near the Westfield Shoppingtown Southcenter in Renton, Washington. The blaze sent three firefighters to the hospital, and a mile-square area, which included a nearby fire station, was cordoned off. The leak occurred in a half-inch-wide tube of stainless steel that Olympic operators use to extract fuel samples from the system's 16-inch-wide main line. A metal electrical conduit had rubbed against the stainless steel sampling tube to open the pinhole leak.[30]
2010 (September 9) At 6:11 PM, a PG&E 30-inch natural gas line exploded in San Bruno, California, killing 8. Eyewitnesses reported the initial blast "had a wall of fire more than 1,000 feet high".[31]
2010 (July 25) Crude oil pipeline ruptures near Marshall, Michigan, spilling over 840,000 gallons of oil into the Kalamazoo River [32][33]
2012 (12 December) a 20-inch transmission line owned by NiSource Inc., parent of Columbia Gas, exploded, leveling 4 houses, between Sissonville and Pocatalico in Kanawha County, West Virginia (WV). When it blew, nobody at pipeline operator, Columbia Gas Transmission knew it. An 800' section of I-77 was obliterated.[34][35] "The fire melted the interstate and it looked like lava, just boiling." Later the West Virginia Public Service Commission released several pages of violations by Columbia Gas.[36] Forty families were "impacted" by the explosion.[37] The investigation cited "corrosion" as the cause of the blast.[34][38]
2013 (29 March) ExxonMobil pipeline carrying Canadian Wabasca heavy crude from the Athabasca oil sands ruptured in Mayflower, Arkansas, about 25 miles northwest of Little Rock. Approximately 12,000 barrels (1,900 m3) of oil mixed with water had been recovered by March 31. Twenty-two homes were evacuated.[1] The United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified the leak as a major spill. A reported 5,000−7,000 barrels of crude were released.[39]
2013 (20 August) Explosion of a natural gas pipeline near Kiowa southwest of Oklahoma City [40]
2013 (8 October) Explosion of a natural gas pipeline near Rosston, Oklahoma.[41]
2014 (Jan 25) A Trans Canada pipeline about 15 miles south of Winnipeg ruptured and exploded. The incident prompted the precautionary closure of two nearby pipelines. The pipelines supply the main source of natural gas to more than 100,000 Xcel Energy customers in eastern North Dakota, northwestern Minnesota and western Wisconsin.[42] The explosion happened near Otterburne, Manitoba, about 15 miles south of the provincial capital, Winnipeg. The area was evacuated as a precaution. No injuries were reported but the fire burned for more than 12 hours.[43]
2014 (Feb) In Knifely, Adair County, Kentucky, a Columbia Gulf gas pipeline exploded at 1 a.m. flattening homes, burning barns, and causing one casualty. The 30-inch natural gas pipeline was about 100 feet from Highway 76 and buried 30 feet underground. When it exploded, large rocks and sections of pipeline flew into the air, leaving a 60-foot crater. Columbia Gulf, part of NiSource’s Columbia Pipeline Group, owns and operates more than 15,700 miles of natural gas pipelines, one of the largest underground storage systems in North America. The pipeline that exploded was carrying natural gas from the Gulf of Mexico to New York.[44]
2014 (Feb 11) A Hiland gas pipeline exploded about six miles south of Tioga, North Dakota. Hiland was "blowing" hydrates, ice-like solids formed from a mixture of water and gas that can block pipeline flow, out of the pipeline.[45]
2014 (Mar 14) A Northern Natural Gas Company pipeline erupted near the intersection of county roads 20 and O, about six miles north of Fremont, Nebraska. A company spokesman said, "In the summer you can tell if you've got a gas leak by vegetation, sometimes it dies in the ground."[46]
2014 (May 26) A Viking gas pipeline explosion near Warren, Minnesota was "hell on earth," shaking the ground and shooting a fireball over 100 feet in the air. Roads within a two-mile radius were blocked off. Authorities suspected natural causes because there was still frost in the ground and the soil was wet.[42][47]

Congrats, you made a post without cursing someone out.

 

[cowslinger64]

Congrats, you made a post without cursing someone out.

I only do that to those that have earned my derision. Is this where I curse you out?

 

[Que]

I only do that to those that have earned my derision. Is this where I curse you out?

"Earning" your "derision" is a very low bar. I have always said that those that seem the most full of them selves (like you) are the ones with the least reason to be.

 

[cowslinger64]

"Earning" your "derision" is a very low bar. I have always said that those that seem the most full of them selves (like you) are the ones with the least reason to be.

You're a fucking dick, query. You've certainly earned it.

I'm not full of myself, and I OWN my words. I've apologized more than once for saying something really snotty to someone and ended up being wrong about it.. Which is WAY more than can be said for you. You are the most self unaware narcissistic asshole here.

 

[Que]

You're a fucking dick, query. You've certainly earned it.

I'm not full of myself, and I OWN my words. I've apologized more than once for saying something really snotty to someone and ended up being wrong about it.. Which is WAY more than can be said for you. You are the most self unaware narcissistic asshole here.

So that's, "No, I do not own a mirror," then?

 

[trysail]

I'm not going to read every page of this thread, just caught the latest addition.

First thing.
You are all assuming that "OIL" is a homogenous commodity, like water. It's not. I can think of at least 26 different grades of crude, and each and every refinery is optimized to take a certain blend or cocktail. That blend may be 3 parts heavy sour, 1 part medium sweet, and 1 part light sweet. It may be something completely different. The point being, that if you put in a different blend, the refinery operates at sub-optimal capacity. You may get more light distillates, and less of the heavy stuff, and vice versa. As a corporation, if your multi billion dollar asset is not operating efficiently, you might as well light money on fire. The reason why XL is being routed to the Gulf Coast is because refineries along the Gulf Coast are optimized to process heavy and sour crudes, which they have historically received from places like Venezuela.

Refineries along the East and West Coasts of North America have traditionally cooked imported, lighter, sweeter, crudes. They don't operate well at all on the heavy shit. This really wasn't a problem price wise until a few years ago, as they could buy it at a price cheaper (Brent) than West Texas Intermediate, the benchmark for the New York Mercantile crude contract. Brent is the benchmark for the rest of the world. It became a big problem once demand in emerging markets (China, India, etc) started to ramp up. These emerging markets started buying up the cheap Brent crude, but production did not ramp up to keep pace. Suddenly, Brent started trading at a premium to WTI, and all the refineries along the coasts became non-competitive and economic black holes. Several have been sold.

So essentially, you people on the coasts had it pretty good until that happened. Now the worm has turned. Life sucks, doesn't it?

Second thing.
You all are trained to think, just pipe it wherever it needs to go...make it happen. It doesn't work that way either. There are a limited number of pipelines, they typically run North/South, and they're at capacity. It was cheaper to import foreign oil by ship to supply coastal refineries, rather than pay for pipelines running from the interior of the continent, so none got built. NOBODY wants a brand spanking new pipeline running through their backyard these days, do they? So a lot of crude is being brought down and over by rail.

Funny thing that Warren Buffet and Berkshire Hathaway own the BNSF Railroad...he's a big Obama supporter, and XL got hung up along the way. Coincidence?

Lastly, statistically there is zero doubt that moving crude by pipeline is the SAFEST method. It is not even close. So think of that every time you post a link to a leaky Enbridge, Kinder Morgan, or TransCanada pipe story.

Third thing.
The Canadians were muy pissed off by Obama's little exercise. They would really like to sell their crude to America, but if America doesn't want it, the Chinese are perfectly willing to pay for it, and help subsidize the pipeline needed to get it to the Pacific coast. They'll even pay a higher price than America will. Either way, that shit is going to get produced. So your pollution numbers will be the same either way. Probably worse, as the Chinese do not have as stringent environmental regulations as the U.S. does.

That being said, Northern Gateway, and the proposed capacity increase for TransMountain are not slam dunks. The terrain is brutal, and B.C. and the First Nations are putting up a fight, aka, holding their hands out for some money.

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Mein Gott! It's a frickin' miracle. There's actually somebody around here who understands what's going on.




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[Que]

Given the instability of Mexico, and the political implications of Venezuela, Canadian oil would be a very good idea. Unless you want higher gasoline prices, as the Energy Secretary is on record as saying he supports.

 

[Ishmael]

Not to worry, the pipeline will be built.............eventually.

The eco-freaks have zero legitimate arguments against building it.

There will be no saving pollution, there will be no saving CO2 emissions. The only thing they're accomplishing is wasting everyone's time and a shit pot of money.

I saw bovinefuckers list of pipeline accidents. I wonder if the stupid bastard even realizes that only ONE of those accidents would be relevant to the Keystone?

Ishmael

 

[thør]

Not to worry, the pipeline will be built.............eventually.

The eco-freaks have zero legitimate arguments against building it.

There will be no saving pollution, there will be no saving CO2 emissions. The only thing they're accomplishing is wasting everyone's time and a shit pot of money.

I saw bovinefuckers list of pipeline accidents. I wonder if the stupid bastard even realizes that only ONE of those accidents would be relevant to the Keystone?

Ishmael

But train wrecks are so much more fun.

 

[Que]

Not to worry, the pipeline will be built.............eventually.

The eco-freaks have zero legitimate arguments against building it.

There will be no saving pollution, there will be no saving CO2 emissions. The only thing they're accomplishing is wasting everyone's time and a shit pot of money.

I saw bovinefuckers list of pipeline accidents. I wonder if the stupid bastard even realizes that only ONE of those accidents would be relevant to the Keystone?

Ishmael

You mean his cut-and paste, unattributed copyright infringement? That list?

It is what passes for modern discourse. Pick a side. If someone makes a cogent point, Google the opposite and throw up a wall of "cites" for the other guy to pick through and tear down.

 

[tmock]

The ISIS sympathizer is buying votes for the demoncraps! People are upset about a potential leak/spill running thru their state and O-bummer is accommodating.

 

[Ishmael]

But train wrecks are so much more fun.

I was looking at the terminal facilities that Canadian Pacific and Union Pacific are building to handle the oil coming out of the tar sands and the Bakken fields. There are somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 major rail terminal facilities and approx. 1 million/bbls/day are currently moving by rail all across the US.

Of those 1 million bbls only approx. 50,000 are tar sands oil. As the technical difficulties associated with loading/transporting/unloading the heavy oil are overcome that number is expected to climb to almost match the light oil numbers, that is approx. an additional 1 million/bbls/day.

So all the eco-freaks managed to do was to force the transport of the product to a far less safe mode. Oh, and they made Warren Buffet far wealthier.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Pragmatic Centrist says NO to bipartisan compromise...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Says YES to Warren Buffet...



Keep your train stock rollin'!