1%'ers pay 24% of Federal Taxes

[possum123]

Well that's an interesting story that has a lot of things worthy of discussion and if that is the line you're using she's right. We've always been the barbarians and nothing much to be proud of and I think she's a little overly negative.

We still have mostly the same things in mind, just some of us realize that the game needs to change if we are to move forward and others like you are happy.

However wea re only on our way down if you insist upon scuttling our efforts.

No, we, as a country, are on the way down.
That is the first thing that let me know you are a kid. Nothing wrong with being a kid. They just think they know everything and have to mature some and have life experiences to learn how wrong they were.
It doesn't matter if things change or remain the same. The time has just come. Everything has a life span and we are nearing the end of ours. The land will remain but it will not be the U.S.

 

[possum123]

That's the thing. He did not have to do it, he chose to do it. And that's why so many people are pissed. We will probably get him and maybe criminals will do what the people couldn't stomach and we should be ashamed of that and should at this point protect the scum bag because that's what separates us from the beasts.

PS: What separates me from the beasts. What separates you from the beasts is people like me.

Sort of hard to make that decision when you are not the one with a larger, younger, stronger man beating your head against the side walk.
Again, the kid is showing through. If you are ever in a life or death occurance you will learn you do what you can do mostly on instinct.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No, we, as a country, are on the way down.
That is the first thing that let me know you are a kid. Nothing wrong with being a kid. They just think they know everything and have to mature some and have life experiences to learn how wrong they were.
It doesn't matter if things change or remain the same. The time has just come. Everything has a life span and we are nearing the end of ours. The land will remain but it will not be the U.S.

Yeah, sure whatever. It's cute but the idea that our time has come is just silly. Maybe, just maybe our time as the United States under the two hundred plus year old Constitution is coming to an end and that is near when it should end anyway. On the way down, what makes you say that? Aside from this usual you must be a kid to not see it BS?

 

[possum123]

Yeah, sure whatever. It's cute but the idea that our time has come is just silly. Maybe, just maybe our time as the United States under the two hundred plus year old Constitution is coming to an end and that is near when it should end anyway. On the way down, what makes you say that? Aside from this usual you must be a kid to not see it BS?

WE have lost our place in the world order.
We used to have the best living conditions on earth. Not now.
We used to have the best educated people. Not now.
We used to have the biggest economy in the world. Not now.
So many things we used to have we no longer have. Other countries on their way up has passed us by. They are going up and we have already seen the top of the mountain and are going down the back side.
It had to happen. Our form of govt. could not stand the test of time.
People found out they could band together and force others to obey them.
That is the way our govt. is set up.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sort of hard to make that decision when you are not the one with a larger, younger, stronger man beating your head against the side walk.
Again, the kid is showing through. If you are ever in a life or death occurance you will learn you do what you can do mostly on instinct.

He was only in that position (if that's even what happened) because he got out of his car and followed the kid. At what point does you creating a situation become your own damn fault?

And I'm not saying I wouldn't have shot the kid smashing my head in. I'm saying I would never have gotten out of my car and pursued someone I didn't know in the dark. I'm saying if someone did that to me I might very well attack them.

WE have lost our place in the world order.
We used to have the best living conditions on earth. Not now.
We used to have the best educated people. Not now.
We used to have the biggest economy in the world. Not now.
So many things we used to have we no longer have. Other countries on their way up has passed us by. They are going up and we have already seen the top of the mountain and are going down the back side.
It had to happen. Our form of govt. could not stand the test of time.
People found out they could band together and force others to obey them.
That is the way our govt. is set up.

We have not lost our place in the world order.
We arguably still have the best living conditions on Earth you'd need to go into specifics there.
We don't have the best educated (in basic public) because we refuse to pay for that's on you.
We still have the biggest economy and by a fairly wide margin. China is catching up and poised to pass us if they can keep the magic going but they can't.

So what you mean is you imagined a lot of terrible things.

Who precisely do you think is passing us and for what reasons? If China passes us it won't be proof that in America freedom died and we lost our way it will be proof that too much freedom limits our ability to wield our power effectively. Which any idiot could tell you.

That's what cracks me up, all the countries that are passing us are not doing it by having a freedom advantage with the US and much of your proposed downfall has to do directly with our freedom.

 

[possum123]

He was only in that position (if that's even what happened) because he got out of his car and followed the kid. At what point does you creating a situation become your own damn fault?

And I'm not saying I wouldn't have shot the kid smashing my head in. I'm saying I would never have gotten out of my car and pursued someone I didn't know in the dark. I'm saying if someone did that to me I might very well attack them.



We have not lost our place in the world order.
We arguably still have the best living conditions on Earth you'd need to go into specifics there.
We don't have the best educated (in basic public) because we refuse to pay for that's on you.
We still have the biggest economy and by a fairly wide margin. China is catching up and poised to pass us if they can keep the magic going but they can't.

So what you mean is you imagined a lot of terrible things.

Who precisely do you think is passing us and for what reasons? If China passes us it won't be proof that in America freedom died and we lost our way it will be proof that too much freedom limits our ability to wield our power effectively. Which any idiot could tell you.

That's what cracks me up, all the countries that are passing us are not doing it by having a freedom advantage with the US and much of your proposed downfall has to do directly with our freedom.

You will be an interesting person to talk to when you mature some.
You will learn later throwing money at a problem does not solve the problem. It just makes another problem. I lived with a woman who was very high in the IHL. Some of the things they spent money on was very foolish but they had to get rid of the money so they could ask for more the next year.

No, I do not have that much of an imagination. You fail to see that you actually agreed with me on several things but don't have the maturity to realize it.
Don't try to grow up to fast. Enjoy life when you are young. There are many things you will learn. Some will be enjoyable and some may cost you your life.

Absolute freedom is not a good thing. People need freedom but still need control. When control passes from the hands of people who are trying to make the best of their country to people who have only themselves in mind, freedom can be lost.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You will be an interesting person to talk to when you mature some.
You will learn later throwing money at a problem does not solve the problem. It just makes another problem. I lived with a woman who was very high in the IHL. Some of the things they spent money on was very foolish but they had to get rid of the money so they could ask for more the next year.

No, I do not have that much of an imagination. You fail to see that you actually agreed with me on several things but don't have the maturity to realize it.
Don't try to grow up to fast. Enjoy life when you are young. There are many things you will learn. Some will be enjoyable and some may cost you your life.

Absolute freedom is not a good thing. People need freedom but still need control. When control passes from the hands of people who are trying to make the best of their country to people who have only themselves in mind, freedom can be lost.

No, I don't I'll ever get that stupid. Sure there are problems that aren't solved by throwing money at them but the overwhelming majority of problems can be solved by dumping large sums of cash on them. And we used to realize that and the rest of the world does.

You aren't 100% wrong, people rarely are. But you radically misinterpret how we got here and why we are here. I'll enjoy my youth I guess. I mean I feel like thanks to you bastards living forever i'm forever doomed to be the youngest but thankfully it seems to make me smarter.

Yadda yadda, nobody ever really has their country in mind nor have they ever. You should put the drink down.

 

[Que Va]

If you think this is a free country, you're an even bigger idiot than I had thought.


Try standing up for your rights somewhere other than behind your monitor, and see how free you are.

What does that even mean?

 

[KingOrfeo]

No, we, as a country, are on the way down.
That is the first thing that let me know you are a kid. Nothing wrong with being a kid. They just think they know everything and have to mature some and have life experiences to learn how wrong they were.
It doesn't matter if things change or remain the same. The time has just come. Everything has a life span and we are nearing the end of ours. The land will remain but it will not be the U.S.

Since 1789, France has had five monarchies, five republics and a period of fascist rule. Through it all, France remains France.

Since antiquity, China has been through numerous imperial dynasties, periods of disunion, republican rule, warlord rule, and Communist rule. Through it all, China remains China.

The Soviet Union was an idea-state that collapsed when people stopped believing in it. America is not an idea-state; America is a nation-state like France and China.

A nation is not its constitution. Nations are longer-lived than political systems. Whatever else changes, not only the land but our national culture will endure. That culture might change, it might change a lot, as it has been changing continuously since before Independence; but, as George Orwell wrote in 1941:

. . . What can the England of 1940 have in common with the England of 1840? But then, what have you in common with the child of five whose photograph your mother keeps on the mantelpiece? Nothing, except that you happen to be the same person.

* * *

This war, unless we are defeated, will wipe out most of the existing class privileges. There are every day fewer people who wish them to continue. Nor need we fear that as the pattern changes life in England will lose its peculiar flavour. The new red cities of Greater London are crude enough, but these things are only the rash that accompanies a change. In whatever shape England emerges from the war it will be deeply tinged with the characteristics that I have spoken of earlier. The intellectuals who hope to see it Russianized or Germanized will be disappointed. The gentleness, the hypocrisy, the thoughtlessness, the reverence for law and the hatred of uniforms will remain, along with the suet puddings and the misty skies. It needs some very great disaster, such as prolonged subjugation by a foreign enemy, to destroy a national culture. The Stock Exchange will be pulled down, the horse plough will give way to the tractor, the country houses will be turned into children’s holiday camps, the Eton and Harrow match will be forgotten, but England will still be England, an everlasting animal stretching into the future and the past, and, like all living things, having the power to change out of recognition and yet remain the same.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Do you know how social security works?

Not like a Ponzi scheme.

 

[richard_daily]

WE have lost our place in the world order.
We used to have the best living conditions on earth. Not now.
We used to have the best educated people. Not now.
We used to have the biggest economy in the world. Not now.
So many things we used to have we no longer have. Other countries on their way up has passed us by. They are going up and we have already seen the top of the mountain and are going down the back side.
It had to happen. Our form of govt. could not stand the test of time.
People found out they could band together and force others to obey them.
That is the way our govt. is set up.

A lot of this is true... but you are failing to see that it's blind corporatism that has caused it.

The pursuit of the bottom line for stockholders and their dividends has led to decades of decisions that don't benefit this country, and prevent us from investing in the future. If we don't invest in the future, then we decline as a nation.

It's not rocket science.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It had to happen. Our form of govt. could not stand the test of time.
People found out they could band together and force others to obey them.
That is the way our govt. is set up.

That is true of every form of government known or conceivable.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That is true of every form of government known or conceivable.

You have to understand for some reason Conservatives think that Democracies are formed by retards and it takes them a long time to figure out they can vote to improve their lot in life but once those idiots catch on they inevitably break the thing in short order. I keep asking for examples and rarely get any.

 

[possum123]

You have to understand for some reason Conservatives think that Democracies are formed by retards and it takes them a long time to figure out they can vote to improve their lot in life but once those idiots catch on they inevitably break the thing in short order. I keep asking for examples and rarely get any.

May not be completely retards who start it but the retards jump in as soon as possible and take over.
It does sound like a good idea and would be but there are a lot more fools and useless people that take advantage anywhere they can.

 

[Sean Renaud]

May not be completely retards who start it but the retards jump in as soon as possible and take over.
It does sound like a good idea and would be but there are a lot more fools and useless people that take advantage anywhere they can.

IF that were true smart people wouldn't even set up systems like that. Monarchies and dictatorships have a slew of advantages. Hell the primary true power of a democracy is that at any given point 51% of the population is emotionally invested in keeping things as they are. They are slow and unwieldy and in many cases in capable of long term planning which is terrible for something to slow to react quickly to opportunity.

The thing is they aren't fools. A rising tide does raise all ships. You should just focus on raising the little "worthless" ships more than you worry about the big ones.

 

[KingOrfeo]

May not be completely retards who start it but the retards jump in as soon as possible and take over.
It does sound like a good idea and would be but there are a lot more fools and useless people that take advantage anywhere they can.

Why is it, then, that democracy seems to be working just fine in most other democracies?

The notion that a democracy must inevitably self-destruct by way of an excess of democracy is unsupported by any historical example. Republics have self-destructed, but never by being too democratic, never by giving too much power to the common folk, never by the common folk realizing they can vote themselves largesse from the treasury. It has never happened.

 

[Que]

Why is it, then, that democracy seems to be working just fine in most other democracies?

The notion that a democracy must inevitably self-destruct by way of an excess of democracy is unsupported by any historical example. Republics have self-destructed, but never by being too democratic, never by giving too much power to the common folk, never by the common folk realizing they can vote themselves largesse from the treasury. It has never happened.

Never happened?

People of your ilk, the military industrial complex and all the rest of it have ALREADY voted themselves the ENTIRE gross annual receipts of this country PLUS 40% per annum.

SMH

 

[Sean Renaud]

Never happened?

People of your ilk, the military industrial complex and all the rest of it have ALREADY voted themselves the ENTIRE gross annual receipts of this country PLUS 40% per annum.

SMH

And we're still here and show little if any signs of vanishing. And lets not pretend the military industrial complext doesn't eat up more than any one of those other groups or even most of them combined.

And our taxes are irresponsibly low. We could afford this if we cared.

 

[doowdniw]

read the OP
read this
those with 48% of the wealth only pay 24% of the taxes.
oh how they suffer

So those with 48% of global wealth only pay 24% of US Federal taxes? Interesting logic.

Any idea why, according to your reference, the UK is the only country of the G7 to have recorded rising inequality during the past 14 years?

 

[Sean Renaud]

So those with 48% of global wealth only pay 24% of US Federal taxes? Interesting logic.

Any idea why, according to your reference, the UK is the only country of the G7 to have recorded rising inequality during the past 14 years?

I haven't read dolf's link. I'd be curious where the idea comes from that only the UK is suffering from that. I was under the influence that was problem here too.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I haven't read dolf's link. I'd be curious where the idea comes from that only the UK is suffering from that. I was under the influence that was problem here too.

awe...is Sean trying to pretend he has a real income?

welfare asshole

 

[KingOrfeo]

Never happened?

People of your ilk, the military industrial complex and all the rest of it have ALREADY voted themselves the ENTIRE gross annual receipts of this country PLUS 40% per annum.

SMH

No, not of the country, only of its government. And I see no sign that all that government spending is weakening our society or our democracy in any way. After all, public spending on that scale has been going on since the New Deal; and America is now richer, stronger, healthier and more fully democratic (at least WRT voting rights) than it was then. The one thing that has changed since then to weaken us is rising wealth inequality, but that's not down to public spending, quite the reverse, it would take a lot more spending (i.e., vigorous government action) to solve the problem.

 

[possum123]

A lot of this is true... but you are failing to see that it's blind corporatism that has caused it.

The pursuit of the bottom line for stockholders and their dividends has led to decades of decisions that don't benefit this country, and prevent us from investing in the future. If we don't invest in the future, then we decline as a nation.

It's not rocket science.

Really we could blame it on the people who are complaining about stockholders and the rich.
Who votes for the people that pass laws allowing the rich to do what they do?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Really we could blame it on the people who are complaining about stockholders and the rich.

And how are they to blame?

Who votes for the people that pass laws allowing the rich to do what they do?

Probably not the ones you mentioned in the first sentence.

 

[possum123]

And how are they to blame?



Probably not the ones you mentioned in the first sentence.

Who else votes?