The 10 Kinds of Trolls You Will Encounter When Talking About Mike Brown

[RobDownSouth]

Good fucking god.

The ten best responses to the fear and division of the Democrat party enumerated here in detail so that we know exactly which bogeymen they fear the most.

This author has done us a solid.

The article kinda rains on your "Victim Blaming" parade, doesn't it?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes.

The first story told is the one they believe in the most. And any subsequent inconvenient facts that emerge will fall into one of the other nine categories. If you doubt the story, then you are some sort of inhumane monster.

So what if the documents are forged?

The story is True!
Dan Rather, former CBS News Anchor

Most "subsequent facts" that you've presented are hypotheticals and non-sequiturs. You just want to #VictimBlame, because the murdered guy was a #ScaryBlackMan

 

[dolf]

The "wait for evidence" gambit is certainly trolling.

then i must be a troll at heart, because i was waiting to see the evidence too.

leaping to lynch mob mode doesn't make a person more moral.
i prefer the steady plod of justice (though I've little faith in the American version of it).

yes, some people use it as a gambit. but plenty of people simply see it as the reasonable and rational option.

 

[RobDownSouth]

then i must be a troll at heart, because i was waiting to see the evidence too.

leaping to lynch mob mode doesn't make a person more moral.
i prefer the steady plod of justice (though I've little faith in the American version of it).

yes, some people use it as a gambit. but plenty of people simply see it as the reasonable and rational option.

I don't deny that there are folks like you legitimately interested in waiting to see all the evidence before rendering an opinion.

I was simply pointing out that many folks here don't have such altruistic motives, and simply desire to squelch discussion ("Zipmania" and "Vettemania")

 

[dolf]

ok

 

[RobDownSouth]

ok

I can still call ya a troll, if you want.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

then i must be a troll at heart, because i was waiting to see the evidence too.

leaping to lynch mob mode doesn't make a person more moral.
i prefer the steady plod of justice (though I've little faith in the American version of it).

yes, some people use it as a gambit. but plenty of people simply see it as the reasonable and rational option.

Then you truly do not know what America has become.

The story is that we are the most racist and xenophobic nation on the face of the earth, bar none, and that white people are terrified of brown people and foreigners coming to take their privilege away from them and thus hide behind their Bibles and guns with a shoot to kill first redneck cowboy attitude and and then make up the excuse later. They heard that first story, a young boy, gunned down, executed in cold blood while surrendering (or while running away in terror from a guy decked out in surplus military gear just dying to use it on the black community) to an out-of-control white vigilante cop and it matched the story that they repeat to themselves each and every day, twice in election season and they knew it was true in their hearts and in their minds. Anything that subsequently emerges to counter the story is whitey's hate, lies, and attempts to blame the victim...

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Chief is in #FullVictimMode this morning.
:nods:

 

[IrezumiKiss]

From HuffPo:

Olivia Cole

The 10 Kinds of Trolls You Will Encounter When Talking About Mike Brown

Posted: 08/19/2014 5:53 pm EDT Updated: 08/19/2014 11:59 pm EDT

If you're paying attention to the events unfolding in Ferguson -- and by God, you better be -- then you probably already know there is a group of people in this country of ours who are determined to change the focus of the conversation about the killing of Mike Brown and the subsequent protests, attempting to shift the lens away from the Constitutional rights of U.S. citizens and the killing of a black teenager. If you're reading this, you probably already know the folks I'm talking about. But here they are. #Staywoke.

The Full-Blown Racist Troll
Block on sight. Some of them are friends of your Facebook friends -- block them. Some of them are your Facebook friends. Many of them are accounts like the one I have screenshotted below: anonymous and relying on blatantly racist language, such as blackface imagery, monkey references, use of the N-word, etc. These have exploded over the last week. We're talking hundreds. I've been using Twitter avidly for years and I can't recall ever seeing quite this much racist bile taking over an event-related hashtag (#Ferguson) as I have this week. Block them and report them for spam immediately.

The "Wait for Evidence" Troll
This troll may or may not be anonymous and pretends to be focused on respecting and upholding the law. "We don't know what happened yet," they say, "wait for evidence before you lambast an officer of the law." They pretend that things like racism, police brutality, police corruption, etc. don't exist and insist that if concrete evidence is released, they will be swayed to feel "sympathy" for Mike Brown. But they won't. When evidence arises, they find objection to its relevance or veracity. They then transform into The "Mike Brown Shouldn't Have [insert human action here]" Troll, to follow.

The "Mike Brown Shouldn't Have [insert human action here]" Troll
This troll (and the others as well) will go great lengths to justify the taking of black life. "He shouldn't have run," "he shouldn't have been sagging," "he shouldn't have been walking down the middle of the street," "he shouldn't have stolen something." These trolls come in all races and will insist that when a police officer (or a homeowner, or a security guard) assaults a person of color, that person must have done something to deserve it. The fact that Mike Brown was shot at least 6 times doesn't register as overkill, even when two of those shots were in the head. They will also extend effort to paint Ferguson as a ghetto, where this kind of thing happens all the time. Nope. Ferguson, Missouri had zero murders.

The "Police Are the Good Guys" Troll
These folks have a blissfully naïve version of police in their heads, the one fed to them since they were children that says police are the good guys and that no matter what they do, they must have had a reason. These people have no concept -- or pretend to have no concept -- of the depth of white supremacy and the way it is ingrained in every facet of our culture... even our police. Because they believe the police are always right -- and usually because they also believe that groups of black people are inherently violent -- they have no qualms about police dressed in military gear, sitting on tanks and tear-gassing American citizens. 'Murica. You may also hear these trolls say, "What about due process?" Well... we would proceed with due process. If they would actually arrest Darren Wilson. Which they haven't. So...

The "Violence Just Begets More Violence" Troll
These people are the riot-shamers. They roll out the word "looters!" at every chance and are not interested in the fact that only a small number of people at the protests have actively looted, or that Ferguson protestors actually locked arms to prevent said looting. These trolls hide behind anonymous accounts, they masquerade as sane coworkers, and they work for CNN and other major media outlets. They focus on the "unrest" in Ferguson and talk about it out of context in an attempt to 1) divert attention away from the killing of an unarmed black teenager and/or 2) disguise their lack of critical thought. As Mia McKenzie of Black Girl Dangerous said so well in this post:



The Concern Troll
These are among the more passive aggressive trolls you will encounter. They not only target victims like Mike Brown with statements like "I wish he hadn't stolen those cigars: he might be alive," but target the community as well, saying things like "Should they really be out there protesting with little kids? I worry about that kind of parenting."

Let me make one thing clear in case you weren't sure: these people aren't worried about the children of Ferguson. They're not actually "concerned" at all," despite their title. These people employ words like "worry" and "I wish" and "concern" to communicate their disapproval of black people doing anything besides playing the Martin Baker role. If they were actually concerned, they would see the images of police with hidden badge numbers, tear-gassing eight-year old girls, and be concerned about the escalation of violence police in Ferguson are responsible for.

The "But What About Black on Black Crime!" Troll
Yes, 85 percent of violent crime against black people is perpetuated by other black people. But guess what? The exact same is true for violent crime committed against white people: the vast majority of those crimes are committed by other white people. People who use the term "black on black crime" either 1) work for Fox News, 2) are seeking to portray black people as violent and out of control, and/or 3) seek to portray black people as only caring about black lives when there is a way to blame white people. Let's run that back: 1) If they work for Fox News...you already know. 2) If we're going to make sweeping statements about people being violent and out of control, perhaps we should focus on young white males. 3) Anyone who would fit with #3 is not interested in facts, otherwise they would be aware of the vast number of organizations and movements to end gun violence in black neighborhoods... spearheaded by black people. The real motivation behind this troll (and all of them really) is to distract from the matter at hand, and that's that an unarmed black teen is dead.

The "Don't Make This A Racial Issue!" Troll
These are the pearl-clutchers. "This could have happened to anyone! Let's not make this a racial issue and instead focus on getting this cop off the street!" Yes, we should focus on getting this cop off the street, but we must also focus on the conditions that made this killing possible, and that is one of racism, white supremacy, and police violence that has been being built and rebuilt since the birth of this country. No, this wouldn't have just happened to anyone. A black male is killed by police every 28 hours in America. This is a racial issue.

These trolls will also accuse you of being racist for talking about racism and start quoting to you all the times black people perpetuated "reverse racism" against white people. Suggested action? Block and keep it moving.

The Misinformation Bots
These are particularly dangerous and I have seen a lot of them in the past week. I won't speculate on where they come from -- although I have a fairly good idea -- but their sole purpose is to spread misinformation about Mike Brown and Darren Wilson, targeting people tweeting under the #Ferguson and #MikeBrown hashtags and sending them to false articles on homemade websites about alternate eyewitnesses that saw Brown attack Wilson, etc. Don't engage with these people: they likely get paid for it. Report them as spam and, you guessed it: keep it moving.

The "I Wish We Could All Just Get Along" Troll
These trolls might mean well. They might. But that doesn't mean they're not trolls. You post/tweet an article and they tweet back, "This is all really bad, but I wish this wasn't happening. Can't we all just get along?" They're trolling you. We all wish we could get along. But right now a boy is dead and is receiving no justice by the system that supposedly exists to protect him. Injecting Pollyanna-isms aren't helping anyone. If you really want to help and the frontlines aren't for you, just donate to the Michael Brown Memorial Fund. And stay out of the way.

This isn't an exhaustive list. When a black person is killed in America, trolls come out of the woodwork in an attempt to justify or distract from the taking of that life. After finishing this post, I'm not even sure "troll" is the right word, but I'm not sure if I have a better one either. Weights, perhaps. Cinder blocks shackled to the rising tide of Americans who want better, believe in better; who see the killing of another black kid in America and say "enough." These people are not merely trolls. "Troll" implies something harmless, a faceless entity in the underbelly of the Internet. These people are not harmless. They are part of the problem. Unfortunately I don't have a solution for the problem they pose: they are not interested in self-education. They are not interested in empathy. They are not interested in challenging the worldview that has tucked them in at night and told them the police are here for our protection and that black people deserve what they get. They are interested only in standing very still, while the rest of us move forward. All I can say is this: move on without them. Block, report, and move on without them. Even when they're friends.

Pitch Perfect.

 

[BotanyBoy]

waiting for evidence is trolling? and, because they're waiting for evidence, they will transform into x troll if evidence appears?

I read no further than this and decided that it wasn't worth reading.

The entire thing was designed to be a "If you're not with us, or if you could possibly not want to just take our word at everything then you're against us and your political correctness is gone." bit....

Hell by the way it reads the guy should have been un-fucking touchable for ANY reason what-so-ever.....

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The entire thing was designed to be a "If you're not with us, or if you could possibly not want to just take our word at everything then you're against us and your political correctness is gone." bit....

Hell by the way it reads the guy should have been un-fucking touchable for ANY reason what-so-ever.....

Exactly.

It was purely a skin-color issue to those truly obsessed with race.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Exactly.

It was purely a skin-color issue to those truly obsessed with race.

...an excuse said by everyone living under the umbrella of privilege.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The entire thing was designed to be a "If you're not with us, or if you could possibly not want to just take our word at everything then you're against us and your political correctness is gone." bit....

Hell by the way it reads the guy should have been un-fucking touchable for ANY reason what-so-ever.....

#BitchPerfect

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

...an excuse said by everyone living under the umbrella of privilege.

Gee, we're sorry that you do not feel like part of the club.

Personally, not being white has never been a drawback to me.

Thanks to guilty white Liberalism, from the 70s, it pretty much made white employers afraid to not hire me and "flesh" out their quotas...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Gee, we're sorry that you do not feel like part of the club.

Personally, not being white has never been a drawback to me.

Thanks to guilty white Liberalism, from the 70s, it pretty much made white employers afraid to not hire me and "flesh" out their quotas...

Haven't you been unemployed for the past several months?

Were you lyin' then or are you lyin' now?

#SituationalRedManSpeaksWithForkedTongue

 

[ChinaBandit]

I've worked hard for my umbrella.

There are too many people who think they are entitled to one by simply being in America.

It's not my problem if Ferguson Missouri is a toilet.

 

[Dream59]

The article kinda rains on your "Victim Blaming" parade, doesn't it?

What if the cop turns out to be the victim? The article removes any discussion of the issue because if you do not agree with them then you are a troll. Even the ME that was hired by the family said there were no wounds to the guy's back which calls to question all the first wave of eyewitnesses. Why not wait until the investigation ends? Is it because then the people milking this will not be able to get the publicity that they so desire?

 

[RobDownSouth]

What if the cop turns out to be the victim? The article removes any discussion of the issue because if you do not agree with them then you are a troll. Even the ME that was hired by the family said there were no wounds to the guy's back which calls to question all the first wave of eyewitnesses. Why not wait until the investigation ends? Is it because then the people milking this will not be able to get the publicity that they so desire?

Your constant #VictimBlaming makes you a credit to your profession, officer.

 

[Balladeer08]

The "wait for evidence" gambit is certainly trolling. There are three flavors of that here on Lit.

"Wait For Evidence - Vetteman flavor" simply indicates "It is unfair for you to discuss this matter until I have received suitable talking points and counter arguments from Fox and Friends"

"Wait For Evidence - Zioman/Ishmael flavor" is a rolling target where the goalposts are continually moved, as needed:

• Let's wait until the police finish their investigation
• Let's wait until the grand jury indicts
• Let's wait until the case goes to trial
• Let's wait until the jury give a verdict
• Let's wait until the Appeals courts have ruled
• Let's wait until the Supreme Court has ruled
• and finally...this again? This is OLD NEWS. It's time to move on

Unscrupulous police departments in America count on the Zipman/Ishmael demographic to help them out. It allows them to delay, defer and obfuscate an investigation, knowing the passage of time works to their favor. Usually...the Ferguson protests show the limits of this gambit.

He states there are three flavors, and then lists two.

Of course, I'm just math-trolling.

 

[Sean Renaud]

What if the cop turns out to be the victim? The article removes any discussion of the issue because if you do not agree with them then you are a troll. Even the ME that was hired by the family said there were no wounds to the guy's back which calls to question all the first wave of eyewitnesses. Why not wait until the investigation ends? Is it because then the people milking this will not be able to get the publicity that they so desire?

It seems unlikely that he'll turn out to be the victim but lets say that he does. The fact that cops kill minorities is still a huge problem in this country regardless of if this individual case turns out to be one of the exceptions.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It seems unlikely that he'll turn out to be the victim but lets say that he does. The fact that cops kill minorities is still a huge problem in this country regardless of if this individual case turns out to be one of the exceptions.

Then we should have some new cases popping up any day now...



... one day more!

Tomorrow, tomorrow, there's always tomorrow,
Then we can do the same story once more!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Then we should have some new cases popping up any day now...

... one day more!
Tomorrow, tomorrow, there's always tomorrow,
Then we can do the same story once more!

Actually they had another case in St. Louis yesterday.

St. Louis, having a professional police force, immediately defused the situation by candidly and openly discussing the facts of the case. Compare and contrast that to the "Need to know" approach by the goons in Ferguson.

It's a stark contrast on how you relate to your community.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Still waiting for the next shooting...



So commonplace.

 

[Dream59]

Your constant #VictimBlaming makes you a credit to your profession, officer.

Your constant kowtowing to people that wish to make a racial incident out of anything makes you a credit to no one.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Gee, we're sorry that you do not feel like part of the club.

Well, the point is not that I want or need to be a part of your club, but that your club isn't the only club out there and I don't need your club getting in the way of my club just because they're too privileged and selfish with hoarding territory that wasn't theirs to begin with.

Personally, not being white has never been a drawback to me.

Thanks to guilty white Liberalism, from the 70s, it pretty much made white employers afraid to not hire me and "flesh" out their quotas...

How did it feel when they allowed you to exist the way you wanted to?

It felt good, didn't it? Them finally giving you a bone, I mean.

I've worked hard for my umbrella.

There are too many people who think they are entitled to one by simply being in America.

It's not my problem if Ferguson Missouri is a toilet.

That's nice. Enjoy your umbrella. It's great that you can and not have to worry about someone yanking it from you at a moment's notice without reason.

What if the cop turns out to be the victim?

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