Roberto is oddly absent...

[Byron In Exile]

I know he was putting me on ignore for a week...

But did he mean the entire GB?

He reads my posts avidly, and can't stand me when I'm drunk off my ass...

But it seems a little extreme.

Does anyone here... actually interact with him?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Do you mean Dixon "Robert" Carter Lee?

 

[Noor]

No worries, he is posting again.

 

[parodyluvr75]

Who's Roberto?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Do you mean Dixon "Robert" Carter Lee?

Maybe. Unless there's an Italian Grand Prix driver new on the GB.

 

[Noor]

Who's Roberto?

I believe he meant RobDownSouth.

 

[Que]

I believe he meant RobDownSouth.

I was looking for the post where he gently encouraged Rob recently to bury the hatchet on one of his ongoing feuds.

Paraphrasing, "I think it might be time to finally let that go. You have expressed yourself, nothing is gained by continuing it." It wasn't a strong repudiation, just a gentle encouragement. Kind of like CJH with Busy.

When I saw that, and having no awareness of any Byron "feuds" and hard words others have alluded to after his passing, he just seemed statesman-like. Apparently that wasn't his only role here but when he applied himself to that he seemed effective.

At the time Rob seemed to listen to Byron. That is some gravitas.

I saw him make a similar (but unrelated) suggestion to 4st. 4st wasn't interested but took no offense at the suggestion.

We need more people skilled in diplomacy.

I find it interesting that Byron isn't perceived that way by many. I only met him near the end. I never got the idea he agreed with my worldview, but he disagreed equably.

 

[Noor]

Byron was a gentleman, even in his cups there were lines he would not cross.

He thought about what he said pretty carefully and after an unpleasantness he would evaluate what went wrong and how things might be changed for the future.

Some of his ideas/solutions were a bit out there, like the whole chew toys and blankets thing, but they always served a purpose to keep the peace on some level.

Sometimes the level of nastiness on the board would concern me esp. if he was involved and so he tried to deal with that.

One of the reasons he did not want us "out" on the board was he was worried people would go after me to get at him, and he would retaliate in kind which would be distressing to me.

 

[Que]

Byron was a gentleman, even in his cups there were lines he would not cross.

He thought about what he said pretty carefully and after an unpleasantness he would evaluate what went wrong and how things might be changed for the future.

Some of his ideas/solutions were a bit out there, like the whole chew toys and blankets thing, but they always served a purpose to keep the peace on some level.

Sometimes the level of nastiness on the board would concern me esp. if he was involved and so he tried to deal with that.

One of the reasons he did not want us "out" on the board was he was worried people would go after me to get at him, and he would retaliate in kind which would be distressing to me.

That very thing was what I was curious about in a thread I started about whether a group of GB'rs (in this case those that post in politiac threads) was using alts to enjoy for example the sexual side of lit. o one wants to give the enemy 'fodder' and I think that is sad.

I have found myself lately being less open about personal things than i used to be. People using personal details to bolster their ad homonym attacks says more about them than the target, but it is understandable why people hesitate.

I have been thinking about what I mentioned to you about Byron inspiring me to want to be more gentlemanly in my postings...I find it is a very difficult thing to do. I am not sure even with feelings inspired by some of his last statements to do so that I am yet making much progress.

 

[Aphro]

If Byron has inspired you to kinder, gentler posting, then he did great good in his last days on this earth.

I only wish that more people could remember that disagreement with someone's opinon does not mean it's okay to launch an attack on them as a person.

 

[Que]

If Byron has inspired you to kinder, gentler posting, then he did great good in his last days on this earth.

I only wish that more people could remember that disagreement with someone's opinion does not mean it's okay to launch an attack on them as a person.

Inspired to, and able to are, sadly, two separate things. The board excels at and strongly rewards personal attacks.

Some "opinions" are personal attacks.

 

[Queersetti]

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[Que]

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That was the longest I ever sat still for the most disappointing payoff, EVER!

Other than being well-lit and well-composed cinematography, WHY does that film make anyone's list of top anything?

 

[RobDownSouth]

That was the longest I ever sat still for the most disappointing payoff, EVER!

Other than being well-lit and well-composed cinematography, WHY does that film make anyone's list of top anything?

Didn't sit through the end of 2001:A Space Odyssey, didja?

That was the only ending I ever sat through that I wanted to throw my empty box of popcorn at the screen.

 

[Queersetti]

That was the longest I ever sat still for the most disappointing payoff, EVER!

Other than being well-lit and well-composed cinematography, WHY does that film make anyone's list of top anything?

Toland's cinematography wasn't just well composed, it shattered previous conventions. He literally invented deep focus cinematography on Kane. And he pioneered wide angle and low focus shots.

It is remarkably innovative in other ways. It was the first major film to use unreliable narration and the first in which the body of the story is told entirely in flashbacks.

Welles broke new ground in other areas as well, notably in his use of sound. Kane was the first film that ever used lead in sound, the practice of having the sound for a scene begin before the images appear. That is so standard now that you scarcely notice it, but it had never been done before Kane. It also contains the first use of sound as transition, in which a particular sound effect begins in one scene and carries over into the next.

If you are really interested in learning why critics hold the film in such high esteem, I'd suggest you pick up the Criterion Collection DVD, which has a commentary track by Roger Ebert, in which he lays out, scene by scene, exactly what made it such a big deal.

 

[Que]

Toland's cinematography wasn't just well composed, it shattered previous conventions. He literally invented deep focus cinematography on Kane. And he pioneered wide angle and low focus shots.

It is remarkably innovative in other ways. It was the first major film to use unreliable narration and the first in which the body of the story is told entirely in flashbacks.

Welles broke new ground in other areas as well, notably in his use of sound. Kane was the first film that ever used lead in sound, the practice of having the sound for a scene begin before the images appear. That is so standard now that you scarcely notice it, but it had never been done before Kane. It also contains the first use of sound as transition, in which a particular sound effect begins in one scene and carries over into the next.

If you are really interested in learning why critics hold the film in such high esteem, I'd suggest you pick up the Criterion Collection DVD, which has a commentary track by Roger Ebert, in which he lays out, scene by scene, exactly what made it such a big deal.

My mistake in expectations was that I knew none of the reasons for its acclaim. I naively assumed it had something to with it's entertainment value. I like a good script with an interesting plot.

This is a really poor example, but it's the first film "advance" I recall seeing in my lifetime, having been born after the advent of technicolor.

The opening scene for Star Wars with the battle Cruiser looming into the audience in such rich detail was breath-taking at the age of 12. Compared to say Flash Gordon Serials work with miniatures this was REAL. (and yes, good script with interesting plot was lacking, but at 12 I was a little enthralled with Princess leia's coiffure.)

I am sure my kids, accustomed to CGI now see it as laughably fake.

I bet seeing that rich photography first run in the theater made Citizen Kane memorable entertainment, but watching it on a worn-out BlockBuster VHS on a 26-inch Cathode Ray tube was not as dramatic. I don;t think It was even in Shadow Box!

Of all the genres I loved to read as a kid, Mysteries were my favorite. I sat on the edge of the couch watching for fore-shadowing and offhand hints...when that end scene came I was MAD. DUMB!!!, was all I could think. I missed the forest watching for bark on the trees.

And NO WAY was I going to invest another (3 hours?) to figure out why it was a good movie.

Didn't sit through the end of 2001:A Space Odyssey, didja?

That was the only ending I ever sat through that I wanted to throw my empty box of popcorn at the screen.

~laughs~

Nope I bailed on that one WAY early. I assume that was one of my rare good calls on cinematic experience?

Give me plot, and failing that give me dialog.

I think I could have survived in Radio days. I know I could have survived any time before that but after Gutenberg.

 

[Queersetti]

My mistake in expectations was that I knew none of the reasons for its acclaim. I naively assumed it had something to with it's entertainment value. I like a good script with an interesting plot.

This is a really poor example, but it's the first film "advance" I recall seeing in my lifetime, having been born after the advent of technicolor.

The opening scene for Star Wars with the battle Cruiser looming into the audience in such rich detail was breath-taking at the age of 12. Compared to say Flash Gordon Serials work with miniatures this was REAL. (and yes, good script with interesting plot was lacking, but at 12 I was a little enthralled with Princess leia's coiffure.)

I am sure my kids, accustomed to CGI now see it as laughably fake.

I bet seeing that rich photography first run in the theater made Citizen Kane memorable entertainment, but watching it on a worn-out BlockBuster VHS on a 26-inch Cathode Ray tube was not as dramatic. I don;t think It was even in Shadow Box!

Of all the genres I loved to read as a kid, Mysteries were my favorite. I sat on the edge of the couch watching for fore-shadowing and offhand hints...when that end scene came I was MAD. DUMB!!!, was all I could think. I missed the forest watching for bark on the trees.

And NO WAY was I going to invest another (3 hours?) to figure out why it was a good movie.

That's the problem with being a great innovative artist. Your breakthroughs become tropes to future generations. I recently attended a screening on All Quiet On The Western Front. In the discussion afterwards, several members of the audience remarked that they thought much of the film had been standard war movies cliches, not realizing that they had just seen the first use of many of those "cliches".

For my part, I think Kane IS great entertainment, but some viewers, and I don't necessarily mean you, come to it with such an attitude of reverence that they miss much in it that is either humorous or salacious.

 

[RobDownSouth]

That's the problem with being a great innovative artist. Your breakthroughs become tropes to future generations. I recently attended a screening on All Quiet On The Western Front. In the discussion afterwards, several members of the audience remarked that they thought much of the film had been standard war movies cliches, not realizing that they had just seen the first use of many of those "cliches".

For my part, I think Kane IS great entertainment, but some viewers, and I don't necessarily mean you, come to it with such an attitude of reverence that they miss much in it that is either humorous or salacious.

I have this visual of you smoking a meerschaum pipe and wearing a tweed sportscoat with leather patches on the elbows.

 

[Queersetti]

I have this visual of you smoking a meerschaum pipe and wearing a tweed sportscoat with leather patches on the elbows.

It gets you hot, doesn't it?

 

[Que]

That's the problem with being a great innovative artist. Your breakthroughs become tropes to future generations. I recently attended a screening on All Quiet On The Western Front. In the discussion afterwards, several members of the audience remarked that they thought much of the film had been standard war movies cliches, not realizing that they had just seen the first use of many of those "cliches".

For my part, I think Kane IS great entertainment, but some viewers, and I don't necessarily mean you, come to it with such an attitude of reverence that they miss much in it that is either humorous or salacious.

I can't think of a good example but I know I am getting old when my kids make complaints about something being derivative when I show them the original...

There is one of their adult swim shows/ I dunno...

In it there is some "You shouldn't of messed with the bun-neh." running gag. I showed them Nicholas Cage's God-Awfull performance in Con-Air. The (rightly) HATED the movie.

Who drops a car like that out of the sky???

All art is influenced if not derivative. (well maybe not all art, did Helen Keller paint?) These days an astonishing number of filmmakers cannot even be bother to borrow a line or two a theme and a formula. Outright re-makes and "adaptations" all over the place. I gave up on cable entirely. I used to like IFC. A lot of those little movies are far more interesting than block-busters. Oddly, they seem to make their nickles.

I am not a fan of horror, but I met a crazy girl who is an actress/writer/director/producer. She offered me a copy of her film but didn't have a copy. I should get it. I assumed she was bs'ing until I googled her and saw pictures of her standing next to legends of horror types. She is endlessly fascinated with the actual making of movies. I am a Philistine and only appreciate the storytelling.

I am such a linear thinker that I can probably quote Pulp Fiction in it's entirety. I noticed one time that I am always surprised by the order of the cute. (which was what made it remarkable of course, but borrowing in a way from Kane as you said)

I realized one day that as I think the movie over in my head my mind undoes the directors choices and re-assembles the story in chronological order. I am a bit hopelessly linear.

I was thinking it would be fun to cut it and reassemble it in "correct" sequence and see what it loses in "feel"

 

[Que]

It gets you hot, doesn't it?

Tweed is always a fine sartorial choice. Shannon ain't half bad, either.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It gets you hot, doesn't it?

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[Noor]

Happy Birthday!

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

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