Your "belief" is not more important than my reality.

[Saint Peter]

I only take all of that Viagra to keep me from rolling out of bed at night.

 

[Phelia]

No they shouldn't - not Viagra specifically. But erectile dysfunction is a disease and should be covered as such.

It is most certainly not. Find one fucking source that claims "erectile dysfunction" is a "disease," you thick-headed dickpirate.

Hormone-based contraceptives have numerous medical applications aside from preventing pregnancy. You haven't disagreed with that. They need to be covered.

Contraceptives like Plan B and ella are necessary in to prevent pregnancy, a medical condition, in instances of rape, where the woman has no choice. Rape, while a violent crime, is still sex, you utter fucking noodle-brain, and women can and will get pregnant. It needs to be covered. For everyone, because there is no feasible way to restrict it to instances of rape. What exactly would you propose otherwise? That it only be given to women with a valid court order saying they've been raped? Only give it to women with a black eye and a broken nose? Ridiculous.

I believe it should be covered regardless, but it is illogical and immoral not to. Your points are completely baseless. You are stunningly moronic.

And because you failed to address this point earlier:

Fuck. You.

Sorry, was that rude?

 

[StrangeLife]

If you want fair, go watch an "everybody plays" T ball league. If you want a life where nobody pays for something other people use, go live off the grid and don't even think if sneaking back within sight of a street light or a paved road.

I know life ain't fair, but that doesn't mean we should stop trying making it so.

It's a disease that will never affect a woman, so your own position demands that you don't support its coverage for the exact same reason - Plus just like the girl knows ahead of time that sex can get her pregnant - any guy knows that sooner or later his dick isn't going to get hard on demand - we've got plenty of time to save up

Erectile dysfunction can be a precursor to serious diseases, usually involving the circulatory system. The sexual implications are actually secondary. Broadly speaking, your penis is a good indicator for your circulatory health and if it suddenly gets perpetually uncooperative, you need to go see a physician... like yesterday!

And your insurance will cover it, because a burial ain't cheap.

Did I just detect a thought crossing your mind, to the effect that erectile dysfunction can affect guys unexpectedly and at a younger age than is usual for that condition? Well if it did then slap yourself on the forehead from me and repeat three times "So can pregnancy, shit for brains."

Unless you're asleep, a pregnancy can never be unexpected because it always begins with a moaning and sweating dude at less than 10 inches distance (unless he's black... then it's 13). That's not easy to ignore.

*edit* your position also requires you to not cover treatment of STIs for the same reason

They are diseases.

 

[Phelia]

I have an urge to eat a crate of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. If I do that on a daily basis, I'll get fat and that will be my own fault.

By spreading her legs and not taking her anti-pregnancy-Bat-pill or some other type of BC, she is making an informed choice to accept that risk in exchange for her personal convenience. And if she's not paying for my Peanut Butter Cups, why should I pay for her sex?

By the way, you misogynistic meat-headed pile of excrement, besides the fact that the correct analogy would be requiring someone to pay for a muzzle for you (I volunteer as long as it prevents your ability to talk) to stop the peanut butter cups from implanting inside your body, the ACA includes provisions for covering proactive and preventative obesity and wellness treatments.

So, again, you have no point. If anything, you've proven the opposite. It DOES make sense to pay for preventative measures that will save money in the long run, regardless of whether the ultimate conditions are the result of anything voluntary.

And also:

http://i.imgur.com/A1iu8o3.gif

 

[Bert_Fegg]

Erectile dysfunction can be a precursor to serious diseases, usually involving the circulatory system. The sexual implications are actually secondary. Broadly speaking, your penis is a good indicator for your circulatory health and if it suddenly gets perpetually uncooperative, you need to go see a physician... like yesterday!

And your insurance will cover it, because a burial ain't cheap.

If medical insurance covers funeral costs then you have a point, but if it doesn't then you don't. As far as ED as an indicator of circulatory health goes - Fine go see the quack if your dick refuses to perform - if he finds advanced arteriosclerosis or whatever then treat that - but the floppy dick is just a symptom, and shouldn't be treated - If treating a primary problem of which the ED was a symptom does the trick, then cool, but your position forbids you to advocate any treatment with the primary aim of restoring penile function

Unless you're asleep, a pregnancy can never be unexpected because it always begins with a moaning and sweating dude at less than 10 inches distance (unless he's black... then it's 13). That's not easy to ignore.

I'm going to assume you're being sincere about this and therefore you're just really fucking stupid. Not every woman who has sex, expects to be having sex in advance. Often this happens against her will and often she's not conscious when the deed is done. Obviously rape doesn't happen in the world you draw your examples from, and my guess is you probably don't think it happens much in this one either. It does.

They are diseases.

They can be avoided very easily and they're never incurred as a result of anything either necessary or unavoidable. really, I can't see how you can support their being covered by insurance, given the objections you've made for female contraceptive cover. Unless you have a secret clause that reads "But not if blokes can get it" tucked in there somewhere.

 

[StrangeLife]

Lorilei's ass-kicking in this thread has been glorious to behold.

Lori is free to kick my ass anytime she wants - whether I deserve it or not

It is most certainly not. Find one fucking source that claims "erectile dysfunction" is a "disease," you thick-headed dickpirate.

http://s29.postimg.org/m7mcgywcj/74_5199.gif Yarr ye scurvy she-dog. Avert ye blood-shot gaze at yonder list from the Mayo Clinic...

Physical causes of erectile dysfunction

In most cases, erectile dysfunction is caused by something physical. Common causes include:

Heart disease
Clogged blood vessels (atherosclerosis)
High cholesterol
High blood pressure
Diabetes
Obesity
Metabolic syndrome, a condition involving increased blood pressure, high insulin levels, body fat around the waist and high cholesterol
Parkinson's disease
Multiple sclerosis
Low testosterone
Peyronie's disease, development of scar tissue inside the penis
Certain prescription medications
Tobacco use
Alcoholism and other forms of substance abuse
Prostate cancer or enlarged prostate
Surgeries or injuries that affect the pelvic area or spinal cord

There are a few bad ones on there. Catching them in time can save a life.... and you'll have earned the right to wear a "My Cock Saved My Life"- shirt afterwards.

Hormone-based contraceptives have numerous medical applications aside from preventing pregnancy. You haven't disagreed with that. They need to be covered.

I don't disagree with that Phelia. You must have me confused with another charming hunk of man-beef. Any form of medical application is fine with me. I just don't want to foot the bill for other peoples recreational sex.

Contraceptives like Plan B and ella are necessary in to prevent pregnancy, a medical condition, in instances of rape, where the woman has no choice. Rape, while a violent crime, is still sex, you utter fucking noodle-brain, and women can and will get pregnant. It needs to be covered.

My noodle and I agree. But again - rape isn't recreational sex. It's a violent crime and all it's consequences should be covered. The woman is not at fault, she did not chose to get her fellopian tubes seminifized and she had no way of preparing for the experience with birth control.

For everyone, because there is no feasible way to restrict it to instances of rape. What exactly would you propose otherwise? That it only be given to women with a valid court order saying they've been raped? Only give it to women with a black eye and a broken nose? Ridiculous.

Once again you have me wrong - I must indeed be a man of mystery and wonder to you. I don't group Plan B under "birth control" since it's no prophylactic. It's a treatment and I'm all for making it free. At the very least it needs to be easily obtainable.

In short: I don't wan't to pay for your rubbers, I don't want to finance your birth control plan and please don't send me the bill for your Nexplanon. But if you have heath issues, get raped or get pregnant despite not being a moron regarding birth control, then I'm all for picking up the tab.

I believe it should be covered regardless, but it is illogical and immoral not to. Your points are completely baseless. You are stunningly moronic.

Eh wow... thanks. I work out

Fuck. You.

Sorry, was that rude?

Are you kidding me? You made my day!!!

I now have official permission to put FUCKED BY PHELIA in my sig. How mindblowingly awesome is that?

http://s11.postimg.org/bqaen5ssv/58_41989.gif

 

[Sean]

Having a bad day already? That is sad.

I'm having a great day. I'm about to go out to dinner and the movies with my beautiful GF. And I don't understand what you're doing here either.

 

[Phelia]

Okay, no name-calling this time. Not because you don't deserve it or that I don't enjoy it, but you seem to enjoy it, and that disturbs me.

http://s29.postimg.org/m7mcgywcj/74_5199.gif Yarr ye scurvy she-dog. Avert ye blood-shot gaze at yonder list from the Mayo Clinic...

Physical causes of erectile dysfunction

In most cases, erectile dysfunction is caused by something physical. Common causes include:

Heart disease
Clogged blood vessels (atherosclerosis)
High cholesterol
High blood pressure
Diabetes
Obesity
Metabolic syndrome, a condition involving increased blood pressure, high insulin levels, body fat around the waist and high cholesterol
Parkinson's disease
Multiple sclerosis
Low testosterone
Peyronie's disease, development of scar tissue inside the penis
Certain prescription medications
Tobacco use
Alcoholism and other forms of substance abuse
Prostate cancer or enlarged prostate
Surgeries or injuries that affect the pelvic area or spinal cord

There are a few bad ones on there. Catching them in time can save a life.... and you'll have earned the right to wear a "My Cock Saved My Life"- shirt afterwards.

Amazing. You just proved to us that it is a symptom. In no world is a symptom considered a disease. The only purpose of Viagra is to treat the symptom, and the only reason to treat the symptom is so men can have sex.

I just don't want to foot the bill for other peoples recreational sex.

Great. It's settled. No coverage for Viagra. If there is an underlying disease causing the problem, we'll pay to treat that, but I'm not going to be subsidizing anyone else's boner.

Everything else you said was garbage and I'm done responding to you.

 

[about_average]

If birth control shouldn't be covered because it's not an illness, then neither should physical exams, wellness visits, annual dental checkups/cleanings, etc.

 

[RobDownSouth]

If birth control shouldn't be covered because it's not an illness, then neither should physical exams, wellness visits, annual dental checkups/cleanings, etc.

but...but....physical exams, wellness visits, annual dental checkups/cleanings, etc have nothing to do with slut-shaming!

 

[StrangeLife]

By the way, you misogynistic meat-headed pile of excrement, besides the fact that the correct analogy would be requiring someone to pay for a muzzle for you (I volunteer as long as it prevents your ability to talk) to stop the peanut butter cups from implanting inside your body, the ACA includes provisions for covering proactive and preventative obesity and wellness treatments.

So, again, you have no point. If anything, you've proven the opposite. It DOES make sense to pay for preventative measures that will save money in the long run, regardless of whether the ultimate conditions are the result of anything voluntary.

You are thinking short term Phelia. If you pee your pants right now, you'll feel warmth for a while. But wait a little longer and you'll regret it for sure.

Here is where I see the analogy to your thread:

Making the state foot the bill for your birth control is essentially equal to giving up control of your own fertility to a governmental system. How long do you think it'll be before certain demographics will get mandated birth control by a court? Like an implant you're not allowed to remove for instance.

In the beginning it will be Maury Show candidates who everybody will applaud - women on welfare with 8 kids by 7 different fathers that are all incarcerated - but the next step could be mandatory implant for everybody. It makes economic sense to put them in teenagers, right? We know that they will screw around and should definitely not get pregnant - and then you will need permission before being allowed pregnancy by showing proof of sufficient income of course and... well, hello dystopia.

The thing about slippery slopes is that they are slippery....

...and slopey

... and it's always the guy with the wallet who calls the shots. As long as you pay your own way, you are in charge.

And also:

http://i.imgur.com/A1iu8o3.gif

AGAIN??? You're insatiable!

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6501599232/hF537FAD3/


Luckily for the taxpayers I insist on paying for my own birth control. So do your worst.

 

[StrangeLife]

Okay, no name-calling this time. Not because you don't deserve it or that I don't enjoy it, but you seem to enjoy it, and that disturbs me.

What can I say? I'm a regular joy-boy...

Amazing. You just proved to us that it is a symptom. In no world is a symptom considered a disease. The only purpose of Viagra is to treat the symptom, and the only reason to treat the symptom is so men can have sex.



Great. It's settled. No coverage for Viagra. If there is an underlying disease causing the problem, we'll pay to treat that, but I'm not going to be subsidizing anyone else's boner.

Indeed it is. And I don't support that Viagra should be covered either.

Everything else you said was garbage and I'm done responding to you.

I wore her out - finally!

I need vitamins... and Ginseng.... and catnip....

 

[bronzeage]

I know life ain't fair, but that doesn't mean we should stop trying making it so.

Fair is when you get what you think you deserve and fuck everyone else.

 

[girlsmiley]

Unless you're asleep, a pregnancy can never be unexpected because it always begins with a moaning and sweating dude at less than 10 inches distance (unless he's black... then it's 13). That's not easy to ignore.

Plenty of women do not plan to get pregnant.

Hello. Your mom for example.

 

[Garnate]

Plenty of women do not plan to get pregnant.

Hello. Your mom for example.

Burn.

 

[girlsmiley]

Burn.

I couldn't resist.

 

[StrangeLife]

If medical insurance covers funeral costs then you have a point, but if it doesn't then you don't. As far as ED as an indicator of circulatory health goes - Fine go see the quack if your dick refuses to perform - if he finds advanced arteriosclerosis or whatever then treat that - but the floppy dick is just a symptom, and shouldn't be treated - If treating a primary problem of which the ED was a symptom does the trick, then cool, but your position forbids you to advocate any treatment with the primary aim of restoring penile function

Lack of penile function is a disease Bert. It's something in your body that doesn't work as it should.... a health problem in other words. If it can be fixed, it should be. Even if it's not lethal. Employing a quid pro quo philosophy makes no sense. It's not a negotiation between two groups - "You don't get your Viagra if I don't get my condoms gny gny gny..". You're either sick or you're not.

Viagra incidentally is no cure - like Phelia correctly says, it's symptomatic alleviation of a condition that isn't painful or debilitating. If you want the convenience of chemical hardship on-demand you can pay yourself.

I'm going to assume you're being sincere about this and therefore you're just really fucking stupid. Not every woman who has sex, expects to be having sex in advance. Often this happens against her will and often she's not conscious when the deed is done. Obviously rape doesn't happen in the world you draw your examples from, and my guess is you probably don't think it happens much in this one either. It does..

Any situation in which a woman can't give consent, is rape. If that happens "often", as you seem to believe, the solution is not birth control but pest control.

They can be avoided very easily and they're never incurred as a result of anything either necessary or unavoidable. really, I can't see how you can support their being covered by insurance, given the objections you've made for female contraceptive cover. Unless you have a secret clause that reads "But not if blokes can get it" tucked in there somewhere.

Yes it's great.... cool..... useful... awesome... but you still haven't explained why they can't be bothered to pay for it if it's so great.

Why is it my task to improve somebody else's sexlife???

Money doesn't magically appear - they need to come from somewhere. I have to work longer hours in order to pay more, and that takes time away from me that I could use on sex. Why should I give up sex so somebody else can have more sex? It doesn't make sense.

Fair is when you get what you think you deserve and fuck everyone else.

Wrong. Fair is, when those in need get the help they require.

Plenty of women do not plan to get pregnant.

But unless they're raped, it's rarely anybody else's fault.

Hello. Your mom for example.

You're not even wrong Smiley

If I had been native American, my tribal name would be something like: "Shitty-out-of-date-condom-with-no-spermacide-left-too-long-in-dads-wallet"

But hey - that's all part of the big cosmic lottery...

 

[bronzeage]

Wrong. Fair is, when those in need get the help they require.

No wonder you can't get this straight. Fair is when people get what they earn. When people get what they require is called charity.

 

[girlsmiley]

But unless they're raped, it's rarely anybody else's fault.


You're not even wrong Smiley

Fault? Don't be silly. Pregnancy is no one's fault. It's what happens. Bro, do you even science? Quit looking for someone to blame.

I'm very rarely ever wrong, you silly moo-moo.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Fair is when you get what you think you deserve and fuck everyone else.

The core value of glibertarianism.

 

[StrangeLife]

No wonder you can't get this straight. Fair is when people get what they earn. When people get what they require is called charity.

In some way I would like to connect "fair" with "charity" because I believe in a safety-net... a fixed limit to how deep anybody can sink. Nobody should go hungry and nobody should go without medical attention.

http://s29.postimg.org/3nbzq741z/nobc.jpg

 

[Sean Renaud]

In some way I would like to connect "fair" with "charity" because I believe in a safety-net... a fixed limit to how deep anybody can sink. Nobody should go hungry and nobody should go without medical attention.

http://s29.postimg.org/3nbzq741z/nobc.jpg

Then you need to be prepared to pay A LOT more for people not to go hungry, cold or without medical attention. And I mean a lot more because unless you want to keep paying for generations you gotta break the chain somewhere and get someone into college and the high paying jobs that come after. Otherwise you really have set up that chain of poverty the Right likes to speak about so often instead of at least breaking the chain if not giving the people a viable way out.

 

[Brollyanna]

It's a spectacle, watching the hole getting deeper.

Keep digging.

 

[StrangeLife]

Fault? Don't be silly. Pregnancy is no one's fault. It's what happens. Bro, do you even science? Quit looking for someone to blame.

Pregnancy "just happens" mostly in the Bible Smiley. In real life it invariably requires a close encounter of the awesome kind, concluding in a deliberate exchange of bodily fluids.

I'm very rarely ever wrong, you silly moo-moo.

Cool. Remind me to get a 2015 SuperBowl prediction from you, when it's time. I lost $100 on the last one.

 

[girlsmiley]

Pregnancy "just happens" mostly in the Bible Smiley. In real life it invariably requires a close encounter of the awesome kind, concluding in a deliberate exchange of bodily fluids.

Cool. Remind me to get a 2015 SuperBowl prediction from you, when it's time. I lost $100 on the last one.

Pregnancy "just happens" mostly in the bible?

I'm sorry, what?

You ridiculous fool. You said fault. Pregnancy is not anyone's fault. It's just what happens because science, dumbass. We all know how babies are made and it has diddly squat to do with the bible.

Like I said - quit trying to find someone to blame. Better still, be a better smartarse. Get the ratio right. At the moment you're 1000 parts arse and zero parts smart.