Your "belief" is not more important than my reality.

[bronzeage]

I do wonder why you are here, given that you must realise that most people here will not agree with your views.

And, aren't you running a huge risk. When your god destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, he didn't pick out the good people for salvation. Indeed, he even turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt because she looked back at the destruction.

Masochism: noun, the tendency to derive pleasure, esp. sexual gratification, from one's own pain or humiliation.

 

[smallgirl]

Not really. We were given an urge to have sex in order to ensure the survival of the species.

Non-believers say that this is a biological urge which occurs in animals of all types.

Believers will say that this urge was given to them by god but, since the urge isn't turned on only during the woman's ovulation, he must have decided that too.

I can live with the believers' view. If god wants me to have sex at regular intervals that's fine by me and I'll oblige him. But if he intended that a child should result from every time we have sex, then he made a bit of a mistake in deciding how big to make the earth, because he certainly didn't make room for all the billions more people there would be.

very well said.

 

[neci]

But this is about subsidised birth control, which is "anti procreation."

You only need birth control for recreational sex (although I suppose you could make a case for "practice before the real event" )

What is the opposite of recreational sex? Duty sex? Sex with the intent to procreate? Birth control is used for more than just hooking up. It is used by long term couples who do not wish to have children. The majority of married couples use some kind of birth control, unless they wish to have umpteen children.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Probably a better chance that she already has obamacare.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7zmtjV9Dp1ralt7qo1_500.gif

That's right....Obamacare> Reagan care. I'm just guessing that was your admitting republican HC sucks total fucking ass.

 

[julybaby04]

I do wonder why you are here, given that you must realise that most people here will not agree with your views.

And, aren't you running a huge risk. When your god destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, he didn't pick out the good people for salvation. Indeed, he even turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt because she looked back at the destruction.

Am I not allowed to be here?

 

[julybaby04]

So the bible says the 4 methods under discussion are really abortion, contrary to what science says (which you can find documented on the internet).
Wow, who knew?

The issue that Hobby Lobby has is NOT my issue. However, it is THEIR belief.

 

[julybaby04]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7zmtjV9Dp1ralt7qo1_500.gif

That's right....Obamacare> Reagan care. I'm just guessing that was your admitting republican HC sucks total fucking ass.

I don't believe I ever said anything about healthcare, other than obamacare.

If people thought healthcare needed upgrading before obamacare, then so be it. However, having it completely overhauled in a politically correct move and so the government can be in control of such a large sector of the economy....not good move.

 

[bronzeage]

Am I not allowed to be here?

You haven't been turned to a pillar of salt yet, so it must be okay.

 

[phrodeau]

Am I not allowed to be here?

What does the Bible tell you about that?

Matthew 10:23.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I do wonder why you are here, given that you must realise that most people here will not agree with your views.

This forum gives Julybaby04 a unique opportunity to hone her "Christian as Martyr" victimhood without fear of consequence.

(As opposed to, say, a neighborhood picnic where her smug bigoted proselytizing would likely be met with jeers and shunning).

Just once, though, I'd like for Julybaby04 would tell the mother of a diabetic or handicapped child that the world would be better off once her child dies. ("The kid gets to see Jesus and my insurance premiums are lower, which as the Bible tells us is right and just and fair)

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't believe I ever said anything about healthcare, other than obamacare.

So you never said anything about healthcare, other than healthcare.....man you really are burning at a full 10W today aren't you?

If people thought healthcare needed upgrading before obamacare, then so be it.

However, having it completely overhauled in a politically correct move

You mean the politically correct move where the politician tried to give the people what they want and do what they put him in office to do?

Yea that's called the political process.

and so the government can be in control of such a large sector of the economy....not good move.

What makes you think they haven't been in control of that for decades already?

You're just saying that because your team lost....

 

[julybaby04]

You haven't been turned to a pillar of salt yet, so it must be okay.

I will take that!

 

[Bert_Fegg]

But this is about subsidised birth control, which is "anti procreation."

You only need birth control for recreational sex (although I suppose you could make a case for "practice before the real event" )

Somebody else made the point that I would have done here. Fertilisation may well require conscious consent from the female in your perfect world, but in the real one that the rest of us inhabit, shits happen.

You can use the same philosophy to excuse pretty much everything.

The murderer had a rough childhood.... the rapist was abused as a child by an uncle.... the gang-banger never had a chance in school.... the drunk driver has a bad marriage and a shitty job... the bank-robber grew up poor... the white collar criminal had a over-achieving dad.... the drug dealer grew up in the streets... the abusive husband was beat every day himself as a child. And I feel bad for all of them, because it's most likely true.

But at some point you have to make people responsible for their choices. You can only blame life for so much.

You're completely missing the point here plus you're attributing an argument to me which I didn't make. A woman who gets pregnant has no choice but to deal with it, the guy who got her that way can, and frequently does, do a runner. It's all very well to talk highandedly about taking responsibility for your actions, but once again - in the real world we inhabit, it's usually the woman that takes sole responsibility.

There are all sorts of ways that contraceptive cover could be provided. It's in everyone's interest to see that it is, given the economic and environmental cost of unplanned births - different debate - The bottom line is that contraceptive cover is a healthcare issue - and choosing to use it should never be an economic decision for anyone - and if you think it's unfair that your premiums might end up providing a woman with a service you'll never need, you could look at it as an infinitesimal contribution to evening out the asymmetry I pointed out earlier.

 

[Phelia]

That is entirely untrue and a complete lie spread by the same right wing retards that think "During real rape women can just shut that whole thing down." because they know EVERYTHING!! Because republicans are soooooo smart and those M.D.'s don't have a clue what the fuck they are talking about.

Or she could still go the Reagan Socialized HC model and just hit an ER then give the bill the finger.....you Republicans are sooo responsible

I do love giving things the finger, though. I'm flipping off the computer pretty much the entire time I'm reading StrangeLife's posts.

Different standards for the internet.

WAY too much "information" clothed as "news" from way too many liberals!

The Bible is much more truthful!

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Probably a better chance that she already has obamacare.

No, baby. I'm in Canada. We believe in taking care of our citizens here. It ain't perfect, but at least we don't have arguments about whether companies are more entitled to personal rights than people are.

Now address the points at hand or leave the thread, please. You're not contributing to the conversation, and some us are trying to have an actual discussion.

 

[StrangeLife]

That is entirely untrue and a complete lie spread by the same right wing retards that think "During real rape women can just shut that whole thing down." because they know EVERYTHING!! Because republicans are soooooo smart and those M.D.'s don't have a clue what the fuck they are talking about.

A rape victim is, like the names says, a victim of a serious crime. Rape is not sex - rape is violence and there is no such thing as making the victim responsible for it (though the defence lawyer for the rapist will probably try... and hopefully fail).

Not really. We were given an urge to have sex in order to ensure the survival of the species.

Non-believers say that this is a biological urge which occurs in animals of all types.

Believers will say that this urge was given to them by god but, since the urge isn't turned on only during the woman's ovulation, he must have decided that too.

I can live with the believers' view. If god wants me to have sex at regular intervals that's fine by me and I'll oblige him. But if he intended that a child should result from every time we have sex, then he made a bit of a mistake in deciding how big to make the earth, because he certainly didn't make room for all the billions more people there would be.

I have an urge to eat a crate of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. If I do that on a daily basis, I'll get fat and that will be my own fault.

I have a noisy neighbor who keeps blocking the driveway to my garage with his F150 and who has a huge cat that hunts for food at my bird-feeder. I have a strong urge to shoot him and make pounding his vehicle with a 20 lbs mallet part of my daily exercise program. But I don't, because I don't want to spend my life on death row and that would be my own fault.

The thing is, our life is filled with impulses and urges. Some of them are good for us - the urge to breathe or move out of the way of heavy objects for instance - while others are bad for us. And then there are some that involve a risk. Sex is one of those, and the risks are well documented. I don't see why people engaging in it should be exempt from taking full responsibility for their choice.

 

[julybaby04]

So you never said anything about healthcare, other than healthcare.....man you really are burning at a full 10W today aren't you?



You mean the politically correct move where the politician tried to give the people what they want and do what they put him in office to do?

Yea that's called the political process.



What makes you think they haven't been in control of that for decades already?

You're just saying that because your team lost....

I suppose we all will see who truly loses ........

 

[smallgirl]

Has anyone that is against birth control being covered gave thought to when it's taken, but not to prevent pregnancy?

Both my girls had to go on it, EVEN though they weren't sexually active due to health reasons.

Should my insurance not cover a medically needed medicine so my girls wouldn't have to bleed for 40 days straight? AND if you say yes, your insurance should cover it for that, they isn't that kinda splitting hairs...stopping a baby being made, stopping someone from constant bleeding? I kinda don't see the difference in that.

so if insurance shouldn't have to cover birth control, then I should have to pay the $160 a month to pay for it out of my pocket so my girls wouldn't bleed constantly? $160 on TOP of the $5,000 year we pay in premiums? Where's the fairness in that?

 

[julybaby04]

I do love giving things the finger, though. I'm flipping off the computer pretty much the entire time I'm reading StrangeLife's posts.



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No, baby. I'm in Canada. We believe in taking care of our citizens here. It ain't perfect, but at least we don't have arguments about whether companies are more entitled to personal rights than people are.

Now address the points at hand or leave the thread, please. You're not contributing to the conversation, and some us are trying to have an actual discussion.

You began the thread, so I will no longer post.

 

[Saint Peter]

You began the thread, so I will no longer post.

Thank god!

 

[Phelia]

A rape victim is, like the names says, a victim of a serious crime. Rape is not sex - rape is violence and there is no such thing as making the victim responsible for it (though the defence lawyer for the rapist will probably try... and hopefully fail).

Oh my god. Fuck you.

I don't see why people engaging in it should be exempt from taking full responsibility for their choice.

Okay. Well, the women have to take physical responsibility. Biology made that decision for us. Let's have the men take full financial responsibility. Fair's fair. Healthcare shouldn't cover the costs of pregnancy at all. It's a choice that two individuals made, so let's have them take full responsibility for it. It should range from about $2,000 to $15,000+ if there are any complications (up to $1,000,000 according to Aol CEO Tim Armstrong).

Let's do it. Let's charge men a million fucking dollars. Literally.

Oh, and fuck you.

 

[Skiddles2014]

You began the thread, so I will no longer post.

Praise Jeebus!

 

[Skiddles2014]

Oh my god. Fuck you.



Okay. Well, the women have to take physical responsibility. Biology made that decision for us. Let's have the men take full financial responsibility. Fair's fair. Healthcare shouldn't cover the costs of pregnancy at all. It's a choice that two individuals made, so let's have them take full responsibility for it. It should range from about $2,000 to $15,000+ if there are any complications (up to $1,000,000 according to Aol CEO Tim Armstrong).

Let's do it. Let's charge men a million fucking dollars. Literally.

Oh, and fuck you.

Do you accept post dated cheques?

 

[about_average]

The issue that Hobby Lobby has is NOT my issue. However, it is THEIR belief.

And it's your belief too.

Forcing someone with deeply held religious beliefs to "help pay" for someone to have an abortion is directly related to this.

You say right there that they are being forced to help pay for abortions.
You didn't say, "I know they aren't really abortions, but HL believes they are so...."

 

[Saint Peter]

Oh my god. Fuck you.



Okay. Well, the women have to take physical responsibility. Biology made that decision for us. Let's have the men take full financial responsibility. Fair's fair. Healthcare shouldn't cover the costs of pregnancy at all. It's a choice that two individuals made, so let's have them take full responsibility for it. It should range from about $2,000 to $15,000+ if there are any complications (up to $1,000,000 according to Aol CEO Tim Armstrong).

Let's do it. Let's charge men a million fucking dollars. Literally.

Oh, and fuck you.

A million dollars for a piece of ass?


Hmmmm.




Alright.

 

[StrangeLife]

You're completely missing the point here plus you're attributing an argument to me which I didn't make. A woman who gets pregnant has no choice but to deal with it, the guy who got her that way can, and frequently does, do a runner. It's all very well to talk highandedly about taking responsibility for your actions, but once again - in the real world we inhabit, it's usually the woman that takes sole responsibility.

But my point is, she knows that ahead of time. The girl is fully aware of that possibility before she allows the neighborhood deadbeat to pound his well-worn cojones against her perineum without protection.

By spreading her legs and not taking her anti-pregnancy-Bat-pill or some other type of BC, she is making an informed choice to accept that risk in exchange for her personal convenience. And if she's not paying for my Peanut Butter Cups, why should I pay for her sex?