Employers shifting to part-time employees in response to Obamacare.

[SeaDaddy1]

Nobody is arguing that the set up is perfect. Only that it was a step in the right direction.

Okay, let's look at it that way. If you are fortunate enough to be a full time employee now with health coverage, how would you feel if you are cut to part time and lose that coverage? What's going to happen if you get in a car wreck or have to go to the hospital because of some illness? Who will pay for that?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Okay, let's look at it that way. If you are fortunate enough to be a full time employee now with health coverage, how would you feel if you are cut to part time and lose that coverage? What's going to happen if you get in a car wreck or have to go to the hospital because of some illness? Who will pay for that?

The idea that you are fortunate to be a full time employee is the real problem here, the rest of your post is window dressing frankly.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

The idea that you are fortunate to be a full time employee is the real problem here, the rest of your post is window dressing frankly.

I take it you have never paid on health coverage or had to use it? There is nothing impressive or attractive about this issue.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I take it you have never paid on health coverage or had to use it? There is nothing impressive or attractive about this issue.

Nope. Which doesn't have anything to do with the point that I made.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

Nope. Which doesn't have anything to do with the point that I made.

And what point is that?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

All I know is that I paid a shitload of money on health insurance on my 3 kids before they reached adulthood. Thank God they are on their own now. "Full Coverage" from employer meant that I payed 1/4 to 1/3 of my paycheck to match it. It was worth it a few times. High deductible plans are more of a financial burden in many cases.

If you just had less kids, there would've been less of a financial burden.

Or even better yet, if you had not had any kids at all, you would've had no shitload of money paying problems whatsoever.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md1bkwdR691qa6g1m.gif

See how real bean-counting logic works? Who put a gun to your head to be a breeder?

 

[Sean Renaud]

And what point is that?

The concept that you are fortunate to be employed is a problem in and of itself especially when it's connected to your ability to obtain food shelter and health care.

You shouldn't be lucky. That should just be something that is rather easy to obtain, particularly in this country.

 

[fuckwaffle]

The new full time employee...30 hours a week.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

If you just had less kids, there would've been less of a financial burden.

Or even better yet, if you had not had any kids at all, you would've had no shitload of money paying problems whatsoever.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md1bkwdR691qa6g1m.gif

See how real bean-counting logic works? Who put a gun to your head to be a breeder?

I am not complaining about my kids. All adults now. I provided them with everything they ever needed. I never considered them a burden. They have been and still are worth more than money. Love does not need a gun.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md1bkwdR691qa6g1m.gif

 

[fuckwaffle]

The concept that you are fortunate to be employed is a problem in and of itself especially when it's connected to your ability to obtain food shelter and health care.

You shouldn't be lucky. That should just be something that is rather easy to obtain, particularly in this country.

And so it comes out...Sean believes you shouldn't have to work. Rather food, shelter and healthcare should be provided by the taxpayers...you know...the people that work. All moochers do.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The new full time employee...30 hours a week.

I have no qualms with this. Lets make it official, anything over 30 hours is overtime. That'll actually solve quite a few problems.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

The concept that you are fortunate to be employed is a problem in and of itself especially when it's connected to your ability to obtain food shelter and health care.

You shouldn't be lucky. That should just be something that is rather easy to obtain, particularly in this country.

Okay. Thanks for reiterating what I said about being fortunate enough to have a job. It should be easy in this, but it is not always as easy as it should be.

 

[fuckwaffle]

I have no qualms with this. Lets make it official, anything over 30 hours is overtime. That'll actually solve quite a few problems.

The reason behind the 30 hours is that they are not considered full time, hence health insurance does not have to be provided. And 40 hours a week will still be a determination of overtime. And a 30 hour a week employee will not be given overtime else they become a 40 hour a week worker or full time.

 

[Shagly]

Obamacare=nocare.

 

[Sean Renaud]

And so it comes out...Sean believes you shouldn't have to work. Rather food, shelter and healthcare should be provided by the taxpayers...you know...the people that work. All moochers do.

While that's an over simplification yeah. Food, shelter and health care should be provided.

The reason behind the 30 hours is that they are not considered full time, hence health insurance does not have to be provided. And 40 hours a week will still be a determination of overtime. And a 30 hour a week employee will not be given overtime else they become a 40 hour a week worker or full time.

Why not change the law?

 

[mercury14]

Regardless of how you feel, it will effect low wage jobs and those employed in them. This will have a strong impact on restaurants, motels, service stations, supermarkets, amusement parks, and other companies in the service industry. In turn, that will effect those of us that frequent such businesses.

Every insurance coverage I have ever had required me to pay 40-50% of payments to provider via paycheck deduction. The employer paid the other 50-60%.

I know the employers with 50 or more full-time employees can be fined $2,000 per person. I am not sure if the employee pays a fine if the employee cannot contribute.

Here is a breakdown of how the Affordable Health Care Act of 2010 will work starting in 2014:http://www.healthaffairs.org/healthpolicybriefs/brief.php?brief_id=42

Yes it will impact those things but only if they're chain stores. Someone that owns a single restaurant or a few service stations will be under 50 employees though. But Wal-Mart made $15.7 billion dollars in profit last year and still fails to pay legions of its employees a living wage or adequate benefits. And they've been focusing on using part-timers as a profit-increasing strategy long before Obamacare was conceived. The fact is, they pay like shit because they know there's a government safety net there to care for their workers via food stamps and Medicaid. They're gaming the system and milking profit from taxpayer dollars so I could care less if they moan about having to provide their workers health insurance that actually covers health needs.

Regarding the other bit, if the employee can't get insurance from work and they cannot afford it on their own (via private market or exchange) then one of two things will occur. 1) They go on the exchange anyway and get a subsidy up to 50% of the cost, or 2) they make so little money that they're eligible for Medicaid.

 

[mercury14]

Okay, let's look at it that way. If you are fortunate enough to be a full time employee now with health coverage, how would you feel if you are cut to part time and lose that coverage? What's going to happen if you get in a car wreck or have to go to the hospital because of some illness? Who will pay for that?

Your health insurance will.

Even so, lower income employees will have to pay a percentage of the insurance. If they can't afford that, and most can't, they will have to shift to federal subsidies......and who's pocket do you think the federal subsidies (money) come out of?

The budget for exchange subsidies comes through the ACA's budget. It doesn't come of out of the general fund and increase the deficit. This is one of the biggest misconceptions of the law.

 

[mercury14]

double post. Here have porn.


http://www.megawank.com/pics/picturepost/free-lesbian-porn-videos+-1301.jpg

 

[SeaDaddy1]

Your health insurance will.

Not if you are part time.

The budget for exchange subsidies comes through the ACA's budget. It doesn't come of out of the general fund and increase the deficit. This is one of the biggest misconceptions of the law.

Interesting. Link?

 

[Worm]

How many employees does a company need to fall in these guidelines?

 

[neci]

this has been happening for a long time. see previous posts regarding maximizing profit. i find it comical that all of a sudden, it's obamacare's fault. if everyone's insurance was provided by the gov't via taxes we wouldn't have the issue of insurance being a burden on business owners. companies made of part time employees are all over the place. walmart has been doing it for a long time now. target does it. call centers around here do it. most fast food places. restaurants. retail. they have been for a while now. there are some 'golden' companies who pay less, but provide benefits for anyone over 20hrs/week. throw that in with companies letting go of skilled, older workers to replace them with lower payed less educated labor. if you don't go the management track, you risk screwing yourself over, even if management isn't what you want to do. i think my rant has run askew now.

 

[bronzeage]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/health-law-spurs-shift-hours-022100532.html

Keeping and finding full time jobs just got tougher.

Who the fuck thinks this is news?

This has been going on for at least 25 years or more. Blame it on whoever they want. Check with Sears and Wal-mart.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

this has been happening for a long time. see previous posts regarding maximizing profit. i find it comical that all of a sudden, it's obamacare's fault. if everyone's insurance was provided by the gov't via taxes we wouldn't have the issue of insurance being a burden on business owners. companies made of part time employees are all over the place. walmart has been doing it for a long time now. target does it. call centers around here do it. most fast food places. restaurants. retail. they have been for a while now. there are some 'golden' companies who pay less, but provide benefits for anyone over 20hrs/week. throw that in with companies letting go of skilled, older workers to replace them with lower payed less educated labor. if you don't go the management track, you risk screwing yourself over, even if management isn't what you want to do. i think my rant has run askew now.

Who the fuck thinks this is news?

This has been going on for at least 25 years or more. Blame it on whoever they want. Check with Sears and Wal-mart.

Yes it will impact those things but only if they're chain stores. Someone that owns a single restaurant or a few service stations will be under 50 employees though. But Wal-Mart made $15.7 billion dollars in profit last year and still fails to pay legions of its employees a living wage or adequate benefits. And they've been focusing on using part-timers as a profit-increasing strategy long before Obamacare was conceived. The fact is, they pay like shit because they know there's a government safety net there to care for their workers via food stamps and Medicaid. They're gaming the system and milking profit from taxpayer dollars so I could care less if they moan about having to provide their workers health insurance that actually covers health needs.

Regarding the other bit, if the employee can't get insurance from work and they cannot afford it on their own (via private market or exchange) then one of two things will occur. 1) They go on the exchange anyway and get a subsidy up to 50% of the cost, or 2) they make so little money that they're eligible for Medicaid.

Okay. Thanks folks! I have learned something valuable tonight!
I found a wonderful link that supports your argument. http://lifehacker.com/5922382/how-will-the-new-health-care-law-affect-me

I am happy to admit I was under the wrong impression because I lacked all the facts. It's a confusing law with a lot of different rules dispersed over a wide range of time.

 

[Midnight_Man]

Companies, Walmart and Fedex to name a couple, have been hiring part-time help for years so they don't have to provide benefits. Has nothing to do with Obama.