Do you woo?

[JMohegan]

The metaphor is more about the general perception of the image, not the individual experience. So, what most see as dark or painful or unpleasant, (the least desirable part of the plant), others see as pleasurable and desirable.

So, yes, to the minority the thorns are not, in fact, thorns. But, big picture, they are. Does that make more sense?

Yes and no. That is, I understand what you're saying but don't understand why someone who doesn't see them as thorns would embrace the general perception when expressing themselves.

 

[FurryFury]

I was being a bit more literal. I like being spanked with the thorny stems but also like the blooms being satin-y and smelling beautiful.

Though pain might be sensation that can be positive for me, I still can term it pain AND a turn on.

If you like the thorns, then they aren't really "thorns" are they?

That metaphor confounds me more than most.

 

[JMohegan]

I was being a bit more literal. I like being spanked with the thorny stems but also like the blooms being satin-y and smelling beautiful.

Though pain might be sensation that can be positive for me, I still can term it pain AND a turn on.

Holy shit, really? Being literally whipped with thorns is hardcore.

"Hurts so good" is a concept most people understand and appreciate. Very effective way of explaining kink to the non-kinky.

 

[eastern sun]

Woo who?

I've often thought the difference between our relationship and our relationship with others is characterized by the presence or absence of the "woo."

Thing is . . . it shifts back and forth over the years between who is getting wooed and who isn't.

 

[FurryFury]

Eh, it isn't that hard core in my husband's hands or if it is, I'm REALLY hard cord, LOL Yes, I do like it.

Recently we tried fire cupping and fucked it up burning me. I liked that too.

Also I don't find stub toes or kidney stone pain hot although I did think about sex while being in nearly mindless pain for three straight hours with the later. LOL

Still, I don't find all types of pain sensual at all.

When folks come on here asking how to explain to a supposedly nilla spouse about wanting pain I always tell them, use the term sensation instead of the word pain or with it.

FF

Holy shit, really? Being literally whipped with thorns is hardcore.

"Hurts so good" is a concept most people understand and appreciate. Very effective way of explaining kink to the non-kinky.

 

[Keroin]

Yes and no. That is, I understand what you're saying but don't understand why someone who doesn't see them as thorns would embrace the general perception when expressing themselves.

Well, I suppose if you wanted to get technical the expression could be changed to: "Screw the social majority's perception of roses, I want what constitutes my individual perception of roses."

But it kind of lacks flow.

Now, "One person's thorns is another person's roses" is a bit more poetic, but it misses the mark.

The idea behind the original sentiment is basically, "I don't want the socially acceptable version of pleasure, romance, wooing. I want my version of such, even if it is what society considers wrong, painful, unpleasant."

The importance of the metaphor is the power, the claiming of power. The idea that I choose what is considered "deviant". I choose and announce my choice. I cast aside societal expectations.

Or that's my take on it. Metaphors are tricky business.

 

[JMohegan]

Well, I suppose if you wanted to get technical the expression could be changed to: "Screw the social majority's perception of roses, I want what constitutes my individual perception of roses."

But it kind of lacks flow.

Now, "One person's thorns is another person's roses" is a bit more poetic, but it misses the mark.

The idea behind the original sentiment is basically, "I don't want the socially acceptable version of pleasure, romance, wooing. I want my version of such, even if it is what society considers wrong, painful, unpleasant."

The importance of the metaphor is the power, the claiming of power. The idea that I choose what is considered "deviant". I choose and announce my choice. I cast aside societal expectations.

Or that's my take on it. Metaphors are tricky business.

Sincere thanks for your careful explanations. Metaphors just aren't my thing.

 

[Keroin]

Sincere thanks for your careful explanations. Metaphors just aren't my thing.

I know, hence the explanations.