Good Manners

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Of course. Any excuse to push people toward Chef is alright with me.

ugh... lenny henry is as funny as cold custard.

 

[JMohegan]

As I said, my campus was fairly well balanced and we did not do the whole take over the admin building thing. In response to Kent State we organized a massive city-wide blood drive to benefit the VA and a local blood bank. We also provided volunteer labor so that the city could do its annual spring trash cleanup that it could otherwise not afford. In fact, the college preseident drove one of the dump trucks. We also had a letter-writing campaign to our various legislators calling for a comprehensive investigation into the Kent State tragedy and to ask for an end to the war.

It's interesting to contemplate what "well balanced" means. Clearly, the definition depends on where one is sitting.

Every poll I've ever seen positively correlates education with voting patterns. That is, the more you've got, the more likely you are to vote left-leaning. Even within the Republican Party, you see a split. The more educated tend to reject extreme social conservatism.

The question is: why? To me, the answer seems obvious. And I think it seems obvious to social conservatives as well, though for very different reasons. It's an education as path to enlightenment vs. education as anti-traditional-values brainwashing thing.

 

[midwestyankee]

It's interesting to contemplate what "well balanced" means. Clearly, the definition depends on where one is sitting.

Every poll I've ever seen positively correlates education with voting patterns. That is, the more you've got, the more likely you are to vote left-leaning. Even within the Republican Party, you see a split. The more educated tend to reject extreme social conservatism.

The question is: why? To me, the answer seems obvious. And I think it seems obvious to social conservatives as well, though for very different reasons. It's an education as path to enlightenment vs. education as anti-traditional-values brainwashing thing.

I fully agree with you here. When I say that my campus was well balanced, part of what I mean is that there was a strong right-leaning segment of the student population and part of it is that there was also a similar balance of political beliefs among the faculty. I couldn't give you a sense of the proportion of students and faculty who were generally conservative but there were enough of them to mollify the atmosphere of protest on campus.

I just don't get the education-as-liberal-brainwashing idea at all. That smacks of grossly over-exaggerated sensationalist victimization to me.

The thing is, we keep hearing from the right that liberals are weak and that we can't shoot straight (in a figurative as well as literal sense, I guess). And yet we're also such a terrible threat to the existence of the universe that we have to be targeted for extinction by "second amendment remedies." One or the other folks: we can't be laughably weak and the second coming of Satan all at once.

Edit: On the question of education as the great Satan, I found this chart to be fascinating. I had no idea the differentials in unemployment were so stunning.

 

[teknight]

I just don't get the education-as-liberal-brainwashing idea at all. That smacks of grossly over-exaggerated sensationalist victimization to me.

The thing is, we keep hearing from the right that liberals are weak and that we can't shoot straight (in a figurative as well as literal sense, I guess). And yet we're also such a terrible threat to the existence of the universe that we have to be targeted for extinction by "second amendment remedies." One or the other folks: we can't be laughably weak and the second coming of Satan all at once.

Trying to confuse the issues with thought- you LIBERAL!

Edit: On the question of education as the great Satan, I found this chart to be fascinating. I had no idea the differentials in unemployment were so stunning.

About the left hand side- could it be that unemployment benefits are more a better incentive to low educated people? (fuck, I feel like an asshole for saying that). It's kinda funny how the unemployment is basically linear and inversely related to education.

 

[Netzach]

Do you guys really spell it "academa"? I've seen it spelled that way three times in this thread.

No. Not yet anyway.

 

[JMohegan]

Do you guys really spell it "academa"? I've seen it spelled that way three times in this thread.

I only spell it that way when I'm posting a quote from someone who spelled it that way.

As a general rule, I'm more interested in context than spelling or grammar. I have very, VERY unpleasant memories of elementary school classroom cruelty, and that has a significant impact on my perspective.

 

[intothewoods]

It's interesting to contemplate what "well balanced" means. Clearly, the definition depends on where one is sitting.

Every poll I've ever seen positively correlates education with voting patterns. That is, the more you've got, the more likely you are to vote left-leaning. Even within the Republican Party, you see a split. The more educated tend to reject extreme social conservatism.

The question is: why? To me, the answer seems obvious. And I think it seems obvious to social conservatives as well, though for very different reasons. It's an education as path to enlightenment vs. education as anti-traditional-values brainwashing thing.

It's one of those things that depresses the hell out of me. The wholesale dismissal of higher education as "liberal."

 

[JMohegan]

It's one of those things that depresses the hell out of me. The wholesale dismissal of higher education as "liberal."

And elite!

A negative.

There is no gulf more profound in American thought. And, I agree, no gulf more depressing.

 

[midwestyankee]

And elite!

A negative.

There is no gulf more profound in American thought. And, I agree, no gulf more depressing.

Nor is there one that is more cynically manipulated. Virtually all of the commentators in the media who are decrying the "terrible influence" of liberal education are all college educated - and many of them are graduates of Ivy League schools or similar. Well, with the noted exception of Ms. I-went-to-four-colleges-to-learn-how-to-spell-refudiate.

 

[intothewoods]

And elite!

A negative.

There is no gulf more profound in American thought. And, I agree, no gulf more depressing.

If all writers, thinkers, newspapers are eventually necessarily categorized as either conservative or liberal, how are we going to have a conversation?

Nor is there one that is more cynically manipulated. Virtually all of the commentators in the media who are decrying the "terrible influence" of liberal education are all college educated - and many of them are graduates of Ivy League schools or similar. Well, with the noted exception of Ms. I-went-to-four-colleges-to-learn-how-to-spell-refudiate.

I don't know - seems like there's a divide amongst conservative commentators between the, I don't know, George Will types and the Glenn Beck camp. Lots of defections though. I remember when Andrew Sullivan was a conservative.

 

[midwestyankee]

If all writers, thinkers, newspapers are eventually necessarily categorized as either conservative or liberal, how are we going to have a conversation?



I don't know - seems like there's a divide amongst conservative commentators between the, I don't know, George Will types and the Glenn Beck camp. Lots of defections though. I remember when Andrew Sullivan was a conservative.

Andrew is still a conservative. But he has been put out to the Gulag by the movement conservatives.

Agreed that Glenn Beck is different from a George Will, or even a William Krystol (Beck does not have a college degree) and it may be that the voices screaming about the terrible influence of liberal education come more from Beck's end of the spectrum. Still, you hear a lot of anti-elite talk coming from many very well educated (and elite) conservatives.

 

[midwestyankee]

ugh... lenny henry is as funny as cold custard.

I'm sorry you don't enjoy his work. I find Chef to be extraordinarily funny. But then I was raised on Jeeves and Wooster.

 

[intothewoods]

Andrew is still a conservative. But he has been put out to the Gulag by the movement conservatives.

Agreed that Glenn Beck is different from a George Will, or even a William Krystol (Beck does not have a college degree) and it may be that the voices screaming about the terrible influence of liberal education come more from Beck's end of the spectrum. Still, you hear a lot of anti-elite talk coming from many very well educated (and elite) conservatives.

I think anyone that obsessed with Sarah Palin's va-jay-jay is no longer a conservative. And no longer gay.

Some give more lip service to the anti-elite talk than others.

 

[JMohegan]

I think anyone that obsessed with Sarah Palin's va-jay-jay is no longer a conservative. And no longer gay.

Some give more lip service to the anti-elite talk than others.

Who the fuck invented the term "va-jay-jay?" I keep hearing it, and thinking it's more idiotic than any term the former half-term governor every dreamed up.


ETA: Should we start referring to cocks as "pe-ni-ni?" Humorous double entendre possibilities aside, wouldn't that seem... I don't know... juvenile? Like we're all regressing to age 2 1/2 or something?

 

[Cattypuss]

ugh... lenny henry is as funny as cold custard.

Agreed. He's amongst the worst of British comedy.

 

[Cattypuss]

I'm sorry you don't enjoy his work. I find Chef to be extraordinarily funny. But then I was raised on Jeeves and Wooster.

I was raised on PG Wodehouse too and I still read him avidly and often cry with laughter. I see no similarity between Wodehouse and anything ever done by Lenny Henry!

That said, I'm glad SOMEONE enjoys his work!

 

[Cattypuss]

Who the fuck invented the term "va-jay-jay?"

I think I first heard it in an episode of Scrubs.

 

[JMohegan]

I think I first heard it in an episode of Scrubs.

I am TV-ignorant. Culturally deprived!

 

[Netzach]

I can still see the girl who raised her hand in my US History class, after extensive discussion of the usual cast of characters in Part 1: Revolution, and calmly asked what American women were doing at the time.

And I can still see the look on the professor's face, when he answered: "The revolution was crafted and fought by men. Don't try to apply your 1970's mentality to the world as it was two centuries prior."

There's obviously so much wrong with that answer that one scarcely knows where to begin. Ironically, though, it was the absurdity of the response that made me start thinking - much more so than the question itself.

It's incredibly historically ignorant for one thing. What do people think happened when someone had to retreat "behind the line" - that revolutionary army didn't exactly have a logistics arm. The logistics of warfare was called "our wives" at that point.

 

[midwestyankee]

Who the fuck invented the term "va-jay-jay?" I keep hearing it, and thinking it's more idiotic than any term the former half-term governor every dreamed up.


ETA: Should we start referring to cocks as "pe-ni-ni?" Humorous double entendre possibilities aside, wouldn't that seem... I don't know... juvenile? Like we're all regressing to age 2 1/2 or something?

I read somewhere recently that Oprah was one of the first to use the term.

 

[midwestyankee]

I was raised on PG Wodehouse too and I still read him avidly and often cry with laughter. I see no similarity between Wodehouse and anything ever done by Lenny Henry!

That said, I'm glad SOMEONE enjoys his work!

There is little similarity in style between Wodehouse and Chef (all I know of Lenny Henry) other than that both can be seen as extensions of the comedy of manners.

Speaking of Pelham Grenville, I have a Netflix DVD of the Laurie/Fry Jeeves and Wooster sitting next to my television awaiting a quiet evening.

 

[teknight]

It's incredibly historically ignorant for one thing. What do people think happened when someone had to retreat "behind the line" - that revolutionary army didn't exactly have a logistics arm. The logistics of warfare was called "our wives" at that point.

Plus, you know, Rosie the Riveter, for an example that would have been relevant to the professor's lifetime, if he were really unable to fathom that women did things back in the 1700s.
Makes me wonder what sort of history the professor himself was taught...

 

[Netzach]

ETA: Should we start referring to cocks as "pe-ni-ni?"

Yes we should. It would make the cock threads infinitely more readable.

 

[Netzach]

Plus, you know, Rosie the Riveter, for an example that would have been relevant to the professor's lifetime, if he were really unable to fathom that women did things back in the 1700s.
Makes me wonder what sort of history the professor himself was taught...

I'm about the facts. Unclouded by clueless dismissals but also free of the Goddess Matriarchy before everything got ruined bullshit as well.

(never happened people)

Example: the ACTUAL life of women in the middle ages was really pretty interesting, and across classes - they too had a labor shortage to handle.

The ideas most people have about women's roles then are a mix of the Renaissance witch burnings (serious backlash) and the Victorians looking back on a thing that never was. You'd be surprised by sexual mores too.

So I think if it was good enough for the high middle ages, we can stop looking back into the agenda-fogged "past" for validation. Just say you like when he's in charge and get over yourselves.

 

[JMohegan]

Makes me wonder what sort of history the professor himself was taught...

The same history most people are taught. History, as defined by the behavior of politicians, merchants, and generals.

Yes we should. It would make the cock threads infinitely more readable.

Ha! Well, you are into the humiliation thing.