Good Manners

[YourCaptor]

Because Netz wants to be a freak in phsysical safety and an equal employment environment, not a world in which everyone gets to watch M leashed and five paces behind saying "you go you sexy people" . OOOOOO picky!

I am pining not for a world of gay people but a world in which gay people are not treated on a spectrum of inequality ranging from death-on-sight to professional Queer Eye Minstrel Show nutless safe gay dude next door to straight women. Just allowed to do everything everyone else does as badly. The rest of the world does not nor should not have to BE queer for that to happen. They just have to chill.

Netz doesn't outwardly pine for a world in which you and all men you know are de-nutted and made into women or a world in which all osg's rise up and buttfuck their males in the ass like they *should* be or any absurd far-fetched caricature like "things I'd like."

I mean that's fine for masturbation and all, but when it's how you relate to a roomful of people it's pretty fucking fucked up. You can think whatever you want - like by marrying I should forfeit my right to have my own bank account or that the moon landing was faked and we have FEMA death camps - but your right to think these things completely unchallenged is without guarantee.

Although if I were in a world where every man thought it was his job to order at the restaurant for me when we went out, in the sense of "telling a waiter what my decision was" I have to say my world would not degenerate either. God, feminists, pick your battles.

This is why I can't stand mainstream feminism - I think the fact that boys play with toy guns is less "worrisome" than the fact that a huge percentage of boys play with real ones and sell drugs as an afterschool job.

It's hijacked by rich women for rich women and it puts all its energies into symbolic media battles.

This thread has veered from the fact that some of this stuff is small stuff. Very small.

I don’t see OSG outwardly pining either, yet she still brunt. Kind of adds validity to a lot of her statement about how people interact with her.

And by the way, just in case, I don’t have any issue with your thing Nets, I’m just making examples and figured you wouldn’t be bothered by such.

 

[YourCaptor]

Because:



It's as simple as that.

Ok, challenge is fine. I suppose discussion on small issues will help work out larger ones, etc. What angers me though is the slanderous assumptions about the opinion holders personality. Particular about an issue, which you must admit is pretty minor. It’s like slapping your kid for a hiccup.

What is that gonna get anyone? What I’m seeing her is several people working towards one goal which appears to be making OSG cry. When they succeed, what then, that doesn’t prove any point, makes no counter argument, it does nothing, it’s just a jerk move.

 

[teknight]

I don’t see OSG outwardly pining either, yet she still brunt. Kind of adds validity to a lot of her statement about how people interact with her.

And by the way, just in case, I don’t have any issue with your thing Nets, I’m just making examples and figured you wouldn’t be bothered by such.

Se habla Ingles?

 

[Netzach]

*shrug*

I know the evidence of my own two eyes; if you're not convinced I'll have to live with it. Netx calls it "infantilized", I call it efeeminized.

ape eater central park lawyer fairies swallow. Word.

 

[YourCaptor]

It's ok, I have no problem with it being your opinion that I'm bullying osg. I do see that I am the lone voice in thinking that she's making absolutely ridiculous statements and not backing them up in any way whatsoever, but it is your opinion only. And when she makes opinion, I leave it go, it's when she states 'fact' that I challenge.


maybe you should read more of her posts more clearly, particularly within the context of current western social mores and habits. But that is just my opinion. I do think an awful lot of her comments are so extreme that I wonder if it's deliberate hence my opinion that she's basically attention seeking.

Well, she is drawing attention to an alternative view, I suppose she is the only one that holds it, or the only one that speaks out about it, so I suspect that can lead to misunderstandings about attention seeking. However that doesn’t mean you have to have a crap attitude about it. Picture it the other way around, everyone lived like OSG and you wanted to put your opinion out there. Plus, who in their right mind posts something on here without wanting people to read it.

I was also under the impression that we have a consensus here on lit, that is opposing the “my kink is the only kink” thing. You express your opinion from your perspective, let her do it from hers. The problem is when you introduce hostility that has no connection to the issue discussed.

It’s just not good form.

The only thing I can see it getting you is negative respect points and dudes like me jumping around.

 

[Netzach]

Ok, challenge is fine. I suppose discussion on small issues will help work out larger ones, etc. What angers me though is the slanderous assumptions about the opinion holders personality. Particular about an issue, which you must admit is pretty minor. It’s like slapping your kid for a hiccup.

What is that gonna get anyone? What I’m seeing her is several people working towards one goal which appears to be making OSG cry. When they succeed, what then, that doesn’t prove any point, makes no counter argument, it does nothing, it’s just a jerk move.

Yeah, I don't think it needs to be a dogpile thing, and I'm trying to do this without being ugly.

That said, I find the whole submissive latitude to be helpless Dominant gets no gandersauce thing to be so rampant - it's not just osg that brings it up.

 

[teknight]

I was also under the impression that we have a consensus here on lit, that is opposing the “my kink is the only kink” thing. You express your opinion from your perspective, let her do it from hers. The problem is when you introduce hostility that has no connection to the issue discussed.

But constant moaning and complaining is good form? Making absolutely ludicrous statements, and writing poorly is good form?

It’s just not good form.

Nor is anything OSG posts good form.

The only thing I can see it getting you is negative respect points and dudes like me jumping around.

OK, lord of the manor/manners.

 

[YourCaptor]

Yeah, I don't think it needs to be a dogpile thing, and I'm trying to do this without being ugly.

That said, I find the whole submissive latitude to be helpless Dominant gets no gandersauce thing to be so rampant - it's not just osg that brings it up.

And damn do I appreciate it, apparently it's a rare trait.

Well, I was brought up with the only picture ever being that you either get your own, or kiss someones ass hoping they'll let you have some of theirs. I think that's probably more or less why I'm here and into D/s. Cause I don't mind that sort of thing at all... as long as I'm still capable of getting mine.

 

[YourCaptor]

But constant moaning and complaining is good form? Making absolutely ludicrous statements, and writing poorly is good form?

Nor is anything OSG posts good form.


OK, lord of the manor/manners.

I don't really see OSG doing any of those things.

And sorry if my writing isn't up to your standards. I'm sure you would cry if you saw it pre spell check. But I'm not even a natural speller in my first language and it really doesn't bother me at all either.

 

[teknight]

I don't really see OSG doing any of those things.

And sorry if my writing isn't up to your standards. I'm sure you would cry if you saw it pre spell check. But I'm not even a natural speller in my first language and it really doesn't bother me at all either.

Ok, so you can't see that. Does that mean that all of us are wrong? She's obfuscating and downright stubborn, beyond any extraneous points that are being brought up.

And that's no excuse. The forum is a written medium, obviously, and, in my mind you lose cool points every time I have to get out a red marker. It's rude to the reader, since we're on the topic of manners. Since we're doing the whole "tallying of points" thing.

English, for all intents and purposes ain't my first language either. Doesn't mean I feel I can slack off...

 

[Stella_Omega]

Ok, challenge is fine. I suppose discussion on small issues will help work out larger ones, etc. What angers me though is the slanderous assumptions about the opinion holders personality. Particular about an issue, which you must admit is pretty minor. It’s like slapping your kid for a hiccup.

What is that gonna get anyone? What I’m seeing her is several people working towards one goal which appears to be making OSG cry. When they succeed, what then, that doesn’t prove any point, makes no counter argument, it does nothing, it’s just a jerk move.

osg pisses me off. At times, her statements push massive fucking buttons for me, for the reasons I have stated ad infinitum.

osg pisses a number of other people off. Obviously, she pushes some buttons for other people too, and they have stated their reasons-- which may or may not be the same as mine.

So, a bunch of people are angry and each one reacts individually-- and people like you call that a dogpile.


Read the counterarguments, which each of us have made, despite your claim to the contrary. Show some respect.

 

[teknight]

But, Stella, it's so much easier to whine and point fingers, especially when you're not offended.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

Ok, so you can't see that. Does that mean that all of us are wrong? She's obfuscating and downright stubborn, beyond any extraneous points that are being brought up.

And that's no excuse. The forum is a written medium, obviously, and, in my mind you lose cool points every time I have to get out a red marker. It's rude to the reader, since we're on the topic of manners. Since we're doing the whole "tallying of points" thing.

English, for all intents and purposes isn't my first language either. Doesn't mean I feel I can slack off...

Corrected. Again.

 

[teknight]

Corrected. Again.

Cute. But pointless. It's a colloquialism and it's how I talk, or should we only make use of Shakespeare's English?

 

[intothewoods]

Ok, challenge is fine. I suppose discussion on small issues will help work out larger ones, etc. What angers me though is the slanderous assumptions about the opinion holders personality. Particular about an issue, which you must admit is pretty minor. It’s like slapping your kid for a hiccup.

What is that gonna get anyone? What I’m seeing her is several people working towards one goal which appears to be making OSG cry. When they succeed, what then, that doesn’t prove any point, makes no counter argument, it does nothing, it’s just a jerk move.

I'm not interested in a dogpile either. This whole thread is tiring, but I just don't feel like pretending x is y. I have no interest in making anyone cry. I think I respond similarly to WD's Republican fantasies.

 

[bhndblueyes88]

And your comment's not gonna make a lick of difference, I'm sorry to say.

*shrug* at least it won't be for the lack of trying. However given that medicine is kind of what I'm being educated for, I'm a bit more qualified to discuss what is considered biologically/medically normal than she is, so I hope she takes the time to at least consider what I have to say. Her definition of normal is flawed in that it puts a lot of merely biologically different people under the "Abnormal" definition, and it also puts a great number of disease processes under the guise of "normal". I don't want to live in a society where diabetes becomes "normal", even if we're headed there....

Just to make sure I wasn't tooting a bad horn, I did a quick scan of a rudimentary PubMed search. I found one article discussing female ejaculation on a historical record basis that noted mention of female ejaculation in both Eastern and Western records, extending to Aristotle and beyond. It concluded that historical records support the idea of female ejaculation. There was also one article that specifically discussed MRI images of the paraurethral glands (i.e. Skene's glands). I have parasitology charts to keep making up, though, so I didn't extend the search. my point is simply that this is not something that people just made up. There is biological evidence of female ejaculation, as well as many old records referring to it. And now...*returns to worms*

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

Cute. But pointless. It's a colloquialism and it's how I talk, or should we only make use of Shakespeare's English?

And that's no excuse. The forum is a written medium, obviously, and, in my mind you lose cool points every time I have to get out a red marker. It's rude to the reader, since we're on the topic of manners.

Which is it?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Which is it?

There are enormous differences between conversational colloquialisms and typos. Especially typos which change the meaning of the comment. "Ain't" and "isn't" have identical meanings and are fully understandable.

 

[YourCaptor]

osg pisses me off. At times, her statements push massive fucking buttons for me, for the reasons I have stated ad infinitum.

osg pisses a number of other people off. Obviously, she pushes some buttons for other people too, and they have stated their reasons-- which may or may not be the same as mine.

So, a bunch of people are angry and each one reacts individually-- and people like you call that a dogpile.


Read the counterarguments, which each of us have made, despite your claim to the contrary. Show some respect.

Their is no argumetn for harassment.

If you can't stand her do the ignore thing teknight did.

 

[teknight]

Which is it?

Here's a crazy concept: contribute something beyond nitpicking.

Thanks, Stella!

Their is no argumetn for harassment.

If you can't stand her do the ignore thing teknight did.

So, they shouldn't do it...'cause it annoys you? OSG comes back for more...I'd say she enjoys the "abuse" based on how much crap she can't help but stir with her every post.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

Here's a crazy concept: contribute something beyond nitpicking.

Thanks, Stella!


So, they shouldn't do it...'cause it annoys you? OSG comes back for more...I'd say she enjoys the "abuse" based on how much crap she can't help but stir with her every post.

Just trying to raise the level of discourse.

If you don't mind being simple......

 

[teknight]

Well, daddy, you've failed to raise the level of discourse. At most, your nitpicking, were it valid, would bring the level of discourse to some sort of normal or average usage . I think your approach is the simplistic one, although I admit that your statement is laconic enough that I don't get what you're trying to say. It's not the first time that you make such vague (and therefore confusing) statements, but, by all means, raise the level of discourse, whatever that means for you.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

Well, daddy, you've failed to raise the level of discourse. At most, your nitpicking, were it valid, would bring the level of discourse to some sort of normal or average usage . I think your approach is the simplistic one, although I admit that your statement is laconic enough that I don't get what you're trying to say. It's not the first time that you make such vague (and therefore confusing) statements, but, by all means, raise the level of discourse, whatever that means for you.

I guess I shouldn't have expected you to understand. It's ok. Simple is as simple does.

 

[teknight]

Since I'm all about learning to ignore annoyances today, D2MLG's also going on my vbulletin ignore list. But, hey, if you wanna trade insults feel free to PM me.

 

[KoPilot]

Well, she is drawing attention to an alternative view, I suppose she is the only one that holds it, or the only one that speaks out about it, so I suspect that can lead to misunderstandings about attention seeking. However that doesn’t mean you have to have a crap attitude about it. Picture it the other way around, everyone lived like OSG and you wanted to put your opinion out there. Plus, who in their right mind posts something on here without wanting people to read it.

I was also under the impression that we have a consensus here on lit, that is opposing the “my kink is the only kink” thing. You express your opinion from your perspective, let her do it from hers. The problem is when you introduce hostility that has no connection to the issue discussed.

It’s just not good form.

The only thing I can see it getting you is negative respect points and dudes like me jumping around.

I find her viewpoint horribly offensive, because, in pages past, she was basically saying "I kinda wish people like you didn't exist. And people like Netz. And Stella. And subbie men. And effeminate men." Etc. etc. etc.