Cane virgin seeking answers

[Keroin]

I have some questions for anyone who has caned or been caned. (Story research). Thanks in advance!

For the canees:

1. Have you ever reached orgasm while being caned and only being caned - not stimulated in any other way?

2. How would you rate the pain/pleasure of caning to other forms of flogging? (eg, whip, belt, etc)

For the caners:

1. How precisely can you control the amount of force being applied? For example, does caning usually result in torn flesh, blood, etc?

2. What material do you prefer your cane to be made from? Reasons?

3. Have you ever caned someone to orgasm with no other form of stimulation?

For both:

Any important details a virgin such as myself should be aware of in regards to canes and caning? (I want my descriptions to be as real as possible).

 

[00Syd]

Caning: It hurts like a giant bitch.

 

[WriterDom]

Rattan cane. It's almost impossible to break.

It comes in rolls and you have to soak it overnight. Then if you dry it straight it will be fairly straight. I've never cut anyone. I think you'd almost have to be trying to cut someone to do it. But I'm no expert. Talk to Sir Winston.

 

[Keroin]

Caning: It hurts like a giant bitch.

LOL.

In a good way or in a "get me the hell out of here!" way?

And damage to skin? Any?

(I'm so happy for US east coast people to keep me entertained during bouts of insomnia!)

 

[Keroin]

Rattan cane. It's almost impossible to break.

It comes in rolls and you have to soak it overnight. Then if you dry it straight it will be fairly straight. I've never cut anyone. I think you'd almost have to be trying to cut someone to do it. But I'm no expert. Talk to Sir Winston. Thanks, will do.

Have you ever brought anyone to orgasm through caning? (This is an important part of the scene).

 

[00Syd]

LOL.

In a good way or in a "get me the hell out of here!" way?

And damage to skin? Any?

(I'm so happy for US east coast people to keep me entertained during bouts of insomnia!)

I'm sure for people more masochistic than I, its a very good thing, but for me, it just really, really hurts.

I've never been able to stand caning long enough to have any skin damage from it.

 

[Keroin]

I'm sure for people more masochistic than I, its a very good thing, but for me, it just really, really hurts.

I've never been able to stand caning long enough to have any skin damage from it.

Thanks for the feedback, Syd!

 

[BiaTcHiNFiRe]

Caning: It hurts like a giant bitch.

God, that could be so fun!!!

 

[WriterDom]

Have you ever brought anyone to orgasm through caning? (This is an important part of the scene).

Nope. Once from a pussy cropping and she squirted. That was hot.

 

[Hotch]

I love using a cane and the marks it leaves. It's like creating art with a paintbrush. I've also been on the receiving end and yes, it hurts like a sonabitch! Each swing is a double whammy! First the sharp sting of the hit, then a moment later an intense searing burn. Hard swings to a cold butt can be unbearable, but like any other type of pain play, as long as you build up slowly and don't start by swinging for the fences, it's tolerable. As far as orgasm, well... I've never seen it without genital stimulation. Now, who want's to offer up a silky smooth canvas?

 

[Netzach]

I have some questions for anyone who has caned or been caned. (Story research). Thanks in advance!

For the canees:

1. Have you ever reached orgasm while being caned and only being caned - not stimulated in any other way?

No. But my orgasm wiring is pretty finicky.

2. How would you rate the pain/pleasure of caning to other forms of flogging? (eg, whip, belt, etc)

Completely different. Sorry I can't be more helpful on that, it just is.

For the caners:

1. How precisely can you control the amount of force being applied? For example, does caning usually result in torn flesh, blood, etc?

Not unless I'm going for that. One can control force remarkably well and create a very wide range of sensation. You have to either try hard to break through or be a clueless dolt to break through - though I suppose some really bad wrap would do that if you aren't clueless but totally utterly miss.

Also a very LONG caning with a thin cane will eventually welt up till you're going to bleed if you don't stop. I've been caned to this point and was having what I'd consider a really good time of it - but the top asked me if I wanted to stop and I did. Bleeding wasn't really exciting to me per se, and I figured why complicate my fun. Other people would have gone on, I'm sure.

I am a mild-medium bottom - so my point here is not that I'm a tough ass, it's that you can be caned to bleeding and not really know it, feel it's a bad thing, or cross over into really really challenging pain - it was working for me as "fun" still. This was due to the top having a really good slow pace. (He was caned often himself.)

2. What material do you prefer your cane to be made from? Reasons?

Rattan for sensuousness, delrin for serious pain. The latter because it bruises and cleans well, the former because it's much lighter and I like touching it more myself.

3. Have you ever caned someone to orgasm with no other form of stimulation?

Close to. Maybe. She seemed to be in quite a state.

For both:

Any important details a virgin such as myself should be aware of in regards to canes and caning? (I want my descriptions to be as real as possible).

Delayed sensation. With a good hard whack there's a serious delay between impact and pain which isn't present with other implements. The sensation also arcs - it is strong, draws back, and then gets REALLY strong.

I have no idea why this is, maybe some physics person can explain that one better.

So if you are writing from the POV of the top, the talent lies in understanding this timing. In my biased opinion, caning is one of those rare things really best quickly understood by being caned at least once.

 

[Homburg]

For the caners:

1. How precisely can you control the amount of force being applied? For example, does caning usually result in torn flesh, blood, etc?

You can control the force perfectly, so long as you have any real sensitivity and skill.

If you are a brute, the cane is a weapon of ass destruction. Personally, I've put people peacefully to sleep from the strokes when I wanted that effect, and been told that it is better than a back massage. Not to mention the orgasms. It is all how you use it.

MIS used to be utterly terrified of canes, and listed them as a hard limit before she and I got together. Now the cane is something she finds herself wanting, and even fantasising about.

2. What material do you prefer your cane to be made from? Reasons?

Rattan. I've used rattan, bamboo, pine, delrin (a type of plastic), curtain rods, and a few other things. Nothing is as responsive as rattan, and nothing has the sort of controllable deformation that rattan has. It is, simply put, incredible material. That said, my love for rattan started back when I was doing stickfighting in kali-silat, and later swinging heavy rattan in the SCA.

Pine, as in the wood dowels you get at art stores, breaks FAR too easily. It is thus too dangerous to use on a regular basis. Bamboo is the same way, and it is usually too light to work properly. Curtain rods act somewhat similarly, in that they are breakable. They're probably a better alternative than bamboo or pine, but I don't like how they feel, and they're too rigid. Plus the topography is such as to have a greater chance of cutting.

Delrin canes are just pure vicious evil. Nothing I've used causes more pain, crying, shrieking, begging in a not good way, and stunning bruises than the delrin cane I had. It was so nasty that it became solely an instrument of serious punishment. Fortunately, I'm not into punishment, so it only came out a few times. Recently, as an anniversary present, I allowed viv to chop it up. It was my opinion that she was past the point where it was relevant.

3. Have you ever caned someone to orgasm with no other form of stimulation?

I regularly bring my girls to orgasm with the cane. It's called the "rattan vibrator" for a reason. Admittedly, my girls are both multi-orgasmic as all get out, and very easy for me to bring off, but I've also gotten other women to that lovely point with my cane.

Any important details a virgin such as myself should be aware of in regards to canes and caning? (I want my descriptions to be as real as possible).

*shrug* Most people just swing away with the canes. Whatever. I use a rhythmic drumming style that intersperses drumming and stronger strikes. There is also detail difference in whether you let the cane rest on the skin after the strike, or rebound it instantly. It feels differently (judged form the noises made, not me feeling it personally)

I lay the strikes along the muscle bellies in the back, and aim for spots where I know trigger-points accumulate. It obliterates muscle tension, and causes very deep physical relaxation. I frequently switch hands during the caning sessions, and work different angles. This necessitates moving around the bottom a good bit, but gets the effect that I like. And, yes, the sessions are not generally short. It would be impossible to "count strokes" because I don't operate that way.

And rhythmic drumming or not, I still leave pretty stripes.

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As an aside, people talk about rattan wearing out, breaking, etc, and going through multiple canes in a year's time. Maybe they play a lot more than I do *shrug* or maybe they're just using the rattan like a hammer. I am still using the same cane that I bought three years ago, and it is still in great shape.

 

[WriterDom]

I read something on the physics of caning but can't find it now. From what I remember the initial strike hurts then it hurts again when the tissue is decompressed. Something like that.

 

[Netzach]

I read something on the physics of caning but can't find it now. From what I remember the initial strike hurts then it hurts again when the tissue is decompressed. Something like that.

Isn't that weird?

I mean paddles also deliver compression. I guess over a larger area and it's not as pronounced.

 

[Homburg]

Rattan for sensuousness, delrin for serious pain. The latter because it bruises and cleans well, the former because it's much lighter and I like touching it more myself.

We were apparently responding at the same time. Nice to see someone else has the same ideas on materials. I kind of thought I was weird from liking the feel of rattan in my hands.

So if you are writing from the POV of the top, the talent lies in understanding this timing. In my biased opinion, caning is one of those rare things really best quickly understood by being caned at least once.

Not something I've experienced. In my own case, I learned initially from an article on rhythmic caning, then took it vastly different directions based on my (layman's) knowledge of massage, trigger points, drumming in the ecstatic sense, and anatomy in general. Timing was a matter of watching how my bottom reacted.

And, perhaps interestingly, caning is one of the things that I would be willing to take, assuming it was done in the manner that I use it myself. And I say that not out of disdain for how others do it, but simply because I am curious as to how it feels when done as I do it. My bottoms sure as hell enjoy it.

 

[Netzach]

We were apparently responding at the same time. Nice to see someone else has the same ideas on materials. I kind of thought I was weird from liking the feel of rattan in my hands.



Not something I've experienced. In my own case, I learned initially from an article on rhythmic caning, then took it vastly different directions based on my (layman's) knowledge of massage, trigger points, drumming in the ecstatic sense, and anatomy in general. Timing was a matter of watching how my bottom reacted.

And, perhaps interestingly, caning is one of the things that I would be willing to take, assuming it was done in the manner that I use it myself. And I say that not out of disdain for how others do it, but simply because I am curious as to how it feels when done as I do it. My bottoms sure as hell enjoy it.

I've had both kinds and done both kinds. It's a question of taste. I find the rhythmic thing kind of irritating because being a control lunatic I really like to process and break down individual sensations - nothing makes me want to quit a scene more than the layering of sensations - busy makes me angry. But I don't like deep tissue massage body worky stuff as much as you do, so you may be more amenable to your preferred method.

 

[Homburg]

I read something on the physics of caning but can't find it now. From what I remember the initial strike hurts then it hurts again when the tissue is decompressed. Something like that.

Isn't that weird?

I mean paddles also deliver compression. I guess over a larger area and it's not as pronounced.

Hmm, just thinking, ruminating a bit. Weaponry physics is interesting stuff. It is all about force applied over time, affected by surface area and fluid mechanics.

Take a bullet, for example. A bullet delivers all of its' energy at a single point, across a very small surface area, and in a very short time. The energy in the shot is equivalent to the heat in a cup of drinkable coffee. Not much at all when you think about it. But apply the energy in that cup of coffee in an area .35" of an inch across and in once sharp instance, and you have a recipe for trauma.

Fluid dynamics complicate it, as we are basically plastic bags of vegetable soup (to quote an email I received recently). A broad, non-penetrating impact like a paddle stings like a mother, but spreads the impact over a large area. The force is diffused by the surface area contacted, and the fluid shift is markedly less. The fluids act to disperse the impact, and transmit the shock to other areas. When lots of fluid is involved, the force bleeds off quickly. Thus lots of skin trauma and red unhappiness, but not so much felt pain comparatively. It is quantity over quality, if you will.

A cane is like a bullet. It strikes quickly across a very small surface area. It is what I term penetrating pain because the fluid dynamics carry the shock deeper into the tissue. This causes a temporary elastic deformation in said tissue. As the tissues are very plastic, they will attempt to snap back from said deformation. Newton tells us that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction, thus the plastic anti-deformation is likewise very quick and sharp. So the bottom feels the pain of the strike, and the snap of the tissue returning to base topography.

Note: This is me talking largely out of my ass based on years of reading articles on tissue deformation, wounding, large area blunt force trauma, and the like from studying automobile accidents and injuries, as well as side reading on bullet wounds, explosive trauma, etc. Your mileage may vary.

 

[WriterDom]

Isn't that weird?

I mean paddles also deliver compression. I guess over a larger area and it's not as pronounced.

I still remember getting paddled in the 9th grade. I guess it wasn't as bad as a cane, but it was bad enough. For talking to a girl while the teacher was out of the room. Years later I figured out why he did it. It was a brand new school after the city and county combined and he wanted to bust some city ass. The girl got one too.

 

[Homburg]

I've had both kinds and done both kinds. It's a question of taste. I find the rhythmic thing kind of irritating because being a control lunatic I really like to process and break down individual sensations - nothing makes me want to quit a scene more than the layering of sensations - busy makes me angry. But I don't like deep tissue massage body worky stuff as much as you do, so you may be more amenable to your preferred method.

Probably an apt observation. And I can see why it might be irritating in that sense.

Thank you.

 

[Netzach]

I still remember getting paddled in the 9th grade. I guess it wasn't as bad as a cane, but it was bad enough. For talking to a girl while the teacher was out of the room. Years later I figured out why he did it. It was a brand new school after the city and county combined and he wanted to bust some city ass. The girl got one too.

Paddles are more challenging to me, especially the thin slat-shaped kind. I don't like them.

 

[Netzach]

A lot of people are intimidated by canes because you mostly see them being employed really meanly, especially in SM porn where no one's happy till they're bleeding half the time.

But really, they're not inherently like that. It's all what you want to get out of it.

 

[Netzach]

I'm always tickled when people like crops and hate canes, or won't use a cane but have a riding crop they love.

The similarities are astounding, really.

 

[Netzach]

Hmm, just thinking, ruminating a bit. Weaponry physics is interesting stuff. It is all about force applied over time, affected by surface area and fluid mechanics.

Take a bullet, for example. A bullet delivers all of its' energy at a single point, across a very small surface area, and in a very short time. The energy in the shot is equivalent to the heat in a cup of drinkable coffee. Not much at all when you think about it. But apply the energy in that cup of coffee in an area .35" of an inch across and in once sharp instance, and you have a recipe for trauma.

Fluid dynamics complicate it, as we are basically plastic bags of vegetable soup (to quote an email I received recently). A broad, non-penetrating impact like a paddle stings like a mother, but spreads the impact over a large area. The force is diffused by the surface area contacted, and the fluid shift is markedly less. The fluids act to disperse the impact, and transmit the shock to other areas. When lots of fluid is involved, the force bleeds off quickly. Thus lots of skin trauma and red unhappiness, but not so much felt pain comparatively. It is quantity over quality, if you will.

A cane is like a bullet. It strikes quickly across a very small surface area. It is what I term penetrating pain because the fluid dynamics carry the shock deeper into the tissue. This causes a temporary elastic deformation in said tissue. As the tissues are very plastic, they will attempt to snap back from said deformation. Newton tells us that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction, thus the plastic anti-deformation is likewise very quick and sharp. So the bottom feels the pain of the strike, and the snap of the tissue returning to base topography.

Note: This is me talking largely out of my ass based on years of reading articles on tissue deformation, wounding, large area blunt force trauma, and the like from studying automobile accidents and injuries, as well as side reading on bullet wounds, explosive trauma, etc. Your mileage may vary.

I'll buy that for a buck, no problem.

I also think there's got to be some mighty weird brain chemistry pitching in.

 

[Netzach]

I've never had the pleasure (or pain) of either.

PYL is afraid he would hurt me too much or mess up with them.

Sometimes you can start someone off on merely teasing you with them. It may never have to go further than that.

My current top is pretty slow to hit me with anything whatsoever, but even after a decade of screwing he really likes to have a verbal invitation to screw, so there's nothing new there.

 

[WriterDom]

I'm always tickled when people like crops and hate canes, or won't use a cane but have a riding crop they love.

The similarities are astounding, really.

I do love my crop. It's a very nice English crop I paid about 30 dollars for. It's not an instrument of pain really. More of a power trip for me.