The special place in hell reserved for Sarah Palin...

[Aliea]

Maybe YOU can explain why it was OK for Madeliene Albright to say it, but not for Sarah to quote her as saying it.

Do you set the bar so much lower for Albright because she is a Democrat or because she is unattractve ?

She didn't quote her correctly or in the correct context. Albright wasn't referring to politics.

 

[phrodeau]

Maybe YOU can explain why it was OK for Madeliene Albright to say it, but not for Sarah to quote her as saying it.

Do you set the bar so much lower for Albright because she is a Democrat or because she is unattractve ?

Madeleine Albright is not running for Vice President. Madeleine Albright has never espoused religion-based views in public.

 

[Shugahhhh]

Maybe YOU can explain why it was OK for Madeliene Albright to say it, but not for Sarah to quote her as saying it.

Do you set the bar so much lower for Albright because she is a Democrat or because she is unattractve ?

Hmmm, let's see why Albright says it's not ok....

LOS ANGELES, Oct. 5 (UPI) -- Former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright says GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin "distorted the truth" by misquoting her.

At a campaign stop in California Saturday Palin urged women to vote Republican, invoking what she said was a quote by Albright, the first woman to serve as Secretary of State. Palin said the quote was printed on her Starbucks mocha cup.

"Now she said it, I didn't," as the crowd booed Albright. "She said, 'There's a place in Hell reserved for women who don't support other women.'"

Palin told the audience to watch and see how her comment "is turned into whatever it'll be turned into tomorrow with the newspaper."

The Huffington Post said Sunday the actual quote was, "There's a place in Hell reserved for women who don't help other women."

Albright told the Web site in a statement she was "flattered" Palin chose "to cite me as a source of wisdom" but said her observation "had nothing to do with politics."

"This is yet another example of (GOP nominee John) McCain and Palin distorting the truth, and all the more reason to remember that this campaign is not about gender, it is about which candidate has an agenda that will improve the lives of all Americans, including women."

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/10/05/Palin_Albright_spar_on_quote/UPI-49161223255691/

 

[Borscht]

Madeleine Albright is not running for Vice President. Madeleine Albright has never espoused religion-based views in public.

So saying that women who don't help other women are going to hell isn't 'religion based' ?

I'm no theologian, but I'd have to disagree.

Anyway, look at the clip. Sarah made it quite clear that she was quoting Albright, and that the words were Albright's, not her own.

That being the case, shouldn't your moral outrage be directed at Albright ?

 

[Beco]

She didn't quote her correctly or in the correct context. Albright wasn't referring to politics.

So she says, Albright supports the Democratic Party .....

 

[RoryN]

So she says, Albright supports the Democratic Party .....

The context of Albright's original comment clearly wasn't political.

So, that makes no sense.

 

[Borscht]

She didn't quote her correctly or in the correct context. Albright wasn't referring to politics.

OK, if you think it makes a difference we can talk about context.

In what context did Albright threaten that women who didn't help her would go to hell ?

 

[coastal-boy]

haven't been reading the politico threads...but came across this tidbit and had to laugh...Palin hasn't been paying her taxes!!!!

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/10/tax-profs-agree.html

This is a cut and paste from a different website:
Palins May Owe Tens of Thousands of Dollars in Back Taxes
When Sarah Palin accepted John McCain's offer to be his running mate, she probably didn't fully realize what being in the national spotlight meant. For example, your tax returns get to be analyzed in public (for free) by miscellaneous tax experts. Gov. Palin actually lives in Wasilla, a suburb of Anchorage, but the state capital is in Juneau, 500 miles away as the crow flies (assuming they have crows in Alaska). On the many nights she stayed at home, she claimed to have been away from the capital on business and was reimbursed $17,000 by the state for this "travel." Being paid a per diem for staying in your own home is ethically dicey but probably legal since "away on business" is probably defined as "not near your office." However, Palin was also paid $25,000 to reimburse her husband and children for being away from "home" (Juneau) which she did not list as income. A D.C. tax lawyer and two law school professors specializing in tax law have concluded that if the State of Alaska wants to pay the governor to take her family on "business trips" that is its good right, but the money received is taxable income under the internal revenue code and the Palins should have declared it and paid tax on it, which they did not.

 

[phrodeau]

OK, if you think it makes a difference we can talk about context.

In what context did Albright threaten that women who didn't help her would go to hell ?

You're being more than usually irrelevant.

The quote was removed from context and printed onto a coffee cup. Gov. Palin used the quote and placed it into a new context.

I should be clear that I don't have a problem with the use of a coffee-cup quote in a new context. That happens all the time. My point is that Gov. Palin's context is an insult to people who believe in equality.

Remember her convention speech and the remark about community organizers?

 

[Borscht]

You're being more than usually irrelevant.

The quote was removed from context and printed onto a coffee cup. Gov. Palin used the quote and placed it into a new context.

I should be clear that I don't have a problem with the use of a coffee-cup quote in a new context. That happens all the time. My point is that Gov. Palin's context is an insult to people who believe in equality.

Remember her convention speech and the remark about community organizers?

If Albright truly believed that being 'taken out of context' was excuse enough for spouting this sexist crap then she'd show us what that context was in order to prove her point.

For example, if she was just quoting somebody else (as Sarah did) then fair enough. It would be unfair to ascribe those comments to her.

However, if Albright wasn't quoting somebody else and the words were hers, then obviously there is no excuse.

The question you (and RoryN) have to answer is, in what possible context could Albright's remark have been anything other than nasty, insulting and sexist ?

 

[phrodeau]

If Albright truly believed that being 'taken out of context' was excuse enough for spouting this sexist crap then she'd show us what that context was in order to prove her point.

For example, if she was just quoting somebody else (as Sarah did) then fair enough. It would be unfair to ascribe those comments to her.

However, if Albright wasn't quoting somebody else and the words were hers, then obviously there is no excuse.

The question you (and RoryN) have to answer is, in what possible context could Albright's remark have been anything other than nasty, insulting and sexist ?

Ding, ding, ding!

You've hit it exactly. Her comment was nasty, insulting and sexist. And the Palin supporters cheered when she said it.

 

[Borscht]

Ding, ding, ding!

You've hit it exactly. Her comment was nasty, insulting and sexist. And the Palin supporters cheered when she said it.

They were cheering because they liked Albright getting slapped down. I mean, it isn't as though Sarah herself would stoop to Albright's sexist depths.

Anyway, I'm glad that we've dropped this 'out of context' BS and that you now admit that Albright was being nasty, insulting and sexist.

Leading on from that, why do you think that the media elite (or the thread starter, for that matter) weren't bothered when Albright made the comment, but pretended outrage when Sarah merely QUOTED her as making it ?

 

[Shugahhhh]

They were cheering because they liked Albright getting slapped down. I mean, it isn't as though Sarah herself would stoop to Albright's sexist depths.

Anyway, I'm glad that we've dropped this 'out of context' BS and that you now admit that Albright was being nasty, insulting and sexist.

Leading on from that, why do you think that the media elite (or the thread starter, for that matter) weren't bothered when Albright made the comment, but pretended outrage when Sarah merely QUOTED her as making it ?

Throughout this thread, you've done nothing but try to justify the fact that you're going to cast a ballot with a boner. Vote MILF my ass, you transparent moron. What the fuck gives you the credibility to call anyone else sexist??

Albright made that comment in the context of human rights abuses which has absolutely nothing to do with supporting that waste of protoplasm for public office. Why didn't you comment on Albright's remarks regarding Palin's use of the quote?? IMO, it's because you can't formuate a coherent and logical response to the substance of what was said.

Try removing your brain from your dick and prove me wrong. I dare you.

 

[Shugahhhh]

Throughout this thread, you've done nothing but try to justify the fact that you're going to cast a ballot with a boner. Vote MILF my ass, you transparent moron. What the fuck gives you the credibility to call anyone else sexist??

Albright made that comment in the context of human rights abuses which has absolutely nothing to do with supporting that waste of protoplasm for public office. Why didn't you comment on Albright's remarks regarding Palin's use of the quote?? IMO, it's because you can't formuate a coherent and logical response to the substance of what was said.

Try removing your brain from your dick and prove me wrong. I dare you.

Didn't think so.

 

[richard_daily]

Didn't Palin say something about two weeks ago about not being one of those "cappuccino sipping" types of people?

But a mocha is "different" I guess?

 

[Borscht]

Throughout this thread, you've done nothing but try to justify the fact that you're going to cast a ballot with a boner. Vote MILF my ass, you transparent moron. What the fuck gives you the credibility to call anyone else sexist??

Albright made that comment in the context of human rights abuses which has absolutely nothing to do with supporting that waste of protoplasm for public office. Why didn't you comment on Albright's remarks regarding Palin's use of the quote?? IMO, it's because you can't formuate a coherent and logical response to the substance of what was said.

Try removing your brain from your dick and prove me wrong. I dare you.

So, in the context of human rights abuses, women who don't help other women go to hell.

That being the case, there must be a whole lot of suprised looking liberals burning away because they didn't support Imelda Marcus, or Dana Sue May or Elsa Fucking Koch.

You know Elasa Koch, don't you ? She was the saintly sister who made lampshades out of human skin during the holocaust.

Still, she had a vagina, so she must have been alright really.



Cut it anyway you want, Albright's comment was sexist, bigoted crap.

Palin slapped her down for it, the crowd cheered, and the Democrats' apologists in the media elite didn't like it.

As for your personal insults, forget it. I'm not going to get down into the mud with you.

 

[richard_daily]

Palin said it to get attention, and then tried to downplay the attention she'd get....

She did it because she has no experience to run on, and no ideas to run on, so relies on sound-bites instead.

 

[Shugahhhh]

So, in the context of human rights abuses, women who don't help other women go to hell.

That being the case, there must be a whole lot of suprised looking liberals burning away because they didn't support Imelda Marcus, or Dana Sue May or Elsa Fucking Koch.

You know Elasa Koch, don't you ? She was the saintly sister who made lampshades out of human skin during the holocaust.

Still, she had a vagina, so she must have been alright really.



Cut it anyway you want, Albright's comment was sexist, bigoted crap.

Palin slapped her down for it, the crowd cheered, and the Democrats' apologists in the media elite didn't like it.

As for your personal insults, forget it. I'm not going to get down into the mud with you.

Not even an adequate attempt. You still haven't addressed Albright's comments about Palin's use of the quote--which, by the way, she did not make to slam Albright.

You clearly have context and interpretation problems--or you've merely dug yourself a hole you can't get out of. Which is it?

Oh, and btw, it was Imelda Marcos.

 

[Karen Kraft]

She didn't quote her correctly or in the correct context. Albright wasn't referring to politics.

That's true. She had something else in mind:

http://www.moonbattery.com/madeleine-albright.jpg​

 

[SusyQ]

So, in the context of human rights abuses, women who don't help other women go to hell.

That being the case, there must be a whole lot of suprised looking liberals burning away because they didn't support Imelda Marcus, or Dana Sue May or Elsa Fucking Koch.

You know Elasa Koch, don't you ? She was the saintly sister who made lampshades out of human skin during the holocaust.

Still, she had a vagina, so she must have been alright really.



Cut it anyway you want, Albright's comment was sexist, bigoted crap.

Palin slapped her down for it, the crowd cheered, and the Democrats' apologists in the media elite didn't like it.

As for your personal insults, forget it. I'm not going to get down into the mud with you.

I think you must mean Ilsa Koch. Elsa Koch was Albert Einstein's second wife. Moreover, the claim that Ilsa Koch made lampshades out of human skin was discredited at her war crimes trial. That doesn't make her a nice person, but urban legends are poor support for an argument.

Moreover, you continue to confuse the terms "help" and "support". To help someone is to provide them with assistance. Madeline Albright was saying that it's wrong for women to stand by and allow other women to be abused. That's a world away from "you're going to hell if you don't vote for me because, after all, I have a vagina." I don't support Sarah Palin at all, but I'd be willing to help her escape an abusive situation.

 

[Beco]

Palin said it to get attention, and then tried to downplay the attention she'd get....

She did it because she has no experience to run on, and no ideas to run on, so relies on sound-bites instead.

It was a setup, and the media, among others, took the bait. Its classic, probably enhanced her popularity.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I am always interested in candidates who represent women's issues.

I like Biden because of his sponsoring of the Violence Against Women Act.

And, because, the whole reason for having a woman in the White House being historic and something to be striven towards is because it would put someone in power who represent women. If it is a woman who thinks and acts and governs like men, then what is the point? It isn't revolutionary; it isn't a change toward more representation for women in politics.

I don't get this, it puts down Hillary. What the hell is thinking and and governing as a woman?



Barack?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

So can I. That's why I am here, genius.

I am fairly good at finding stuff on the internet in order to substantiate my points. I can tell the difference between a reputable source and one that is questionable, however.

The New York Times has gone sans Seriff AND bias? When the hell did that happen?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

You live in a culture where a woman is a second-class citizen and where her path to her own fortune is via the tramp/slut model.

Your party proved it when it bitch-slapped Ferraro, turned on Clinton, and are now letting Palin know in stark, black niggardly detail, WOMEN and IRISH NEED NOT APPLY...

Focus on what this is truly about, applied misogynism in the name of affirmative racism.




Get ye hence into a veil!

 

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