Some really bad writers on here.

[starrkers]

JBJ
No, not quite. It's a place where I don't have to pay any more attention to anyone than I see fit. And I gauge the relative merit of each poster on their actions. I'm far more inclined to listen to how writing should be done here by someone who has posted writing here. I'm also far more inclined to take notice of advice from people whose writing I have seen and appreciated than someone whose writing I think is deficient.
Hence, "Put up or shut up".

 

[TE999]

Don't quote the poo monkey!

I'll drink to that! It's making my iggy button irrelevant.

We need to lock the monk, Rico what's his face, Big Fat Weenie, scouries and some of the other pests on this site in a room and let them fling poo at each other.

And sell tickets.

 

[Guest]

JBJ
No, not quite. It's a place where I don't have to pay any more attention to anyone than I see fit. And I gauge the relative merit of each poster on their actions. I'm far more inclined to listen to how writing should be done here by someone who has posted writing here. I'm also far more inclined to take notice of advice from people whose writing I have seen and appreciated than someone whose writing I think is deficient.
Hence, "Put up or shut up".

Thank you for not quoting the monkey.

Yes, it was very enlightening to discover that JBJ has not posted any stories here at all.

Therefore he serves no purpose.

Except for flinging poo.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

STARRKERS

I grant you your druthers and what youre receptive to accept. But why the double standard?

Drunks use your argument a lot. If I'm not a drunk I cant treat their alcoholism.

Like if I havent died I cant bury you.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SARAH

I'll repeat myself. Why give it away when I can sell it?

 

[sr71plt]

SARAH

I'll repeat myself. Why give it away when I can sell it?

Why, because no one believes you can sell it either, of course.

Beyond that, what you've done here is look down your nose at writers who are posting stories here--asserting failure to meet standards of writing that you are too much of a coward to exhibit any knowledge or talent about in your own right. Just a fake drone and coward.

Put up or shut up.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SR71PLT

The Arabs have a proverb: Throw a rock into a pack of jackals, and the one that gets hit yowls.

Coward or not, how I am doesnt make you a better writer.

Its okay with me if you wanna collect gold stars that mean nuthin much, and get feedback from people who know less than you do.

How exactly does a halfwits opinion help you?

 

[Weird Harold]

I'll drink to that! It's making my iggy button irrelevant.

We need to lock the monk, Rico what's his face, Big Fat Weenie, scouries and some of the other pests on this site in a room and let them fling poo at each other.

And sell tickets.

Why should we let them sell tickets?

 

[TE999]

Why should we let them sell tickets?

Actually I meant we here in the AH would sell the tickets to the poo flinging exhibition; poor phrasing there, just call me one of the inferior writers.

 

[CeriseNoire]

They're good at that -- all while proclaiming (in apparent sincerity) that they don't try to make others feel inferior.

I don't recommend praising everything as fabulous, but as far as that forum goes, the prevalence of sneering is very distasteful to me.

They do get snarky and critical over at PFD, but then again, no more so than at the AH or in Story Feedback (which would be fairer to compare it to since they are closer in purpose).

The first time I posted for writing advice (for a passage in a story) in the AH, I got several pompous, snarky responses, and several friendly and/or useful ones. The first time I posted for feedback in the PFD forum I got some snarky, pompous responses and some useful and/or friendly ones. I know I took the poetry feedback more personally, but I think that's because poetry makes me feel more vulnerable. Anyway in both cases, I got over the nasty and took the useful, and I feel my writing in both genres has gotten better for it.

All I'm saying is that there may be some Poets who love to pounce on newcomers, but that's certainly not a behavior that's foreign to AHers. I know I've been guilty of it on occasion.

That's my take on it.

 

[Guest]

I think poetry does feel more personal.

I do agree with you there.

And there is personal history that I won't go into, but there is a reason many of us have pulled our poetry and/or don't post it on Lit anymore.

Anyway.

Who's for flinging poo at JBJ?

 

[sr71plt]

SR71PLT

The Arabs have a proverb: Throw a rock into a pack of jackals, and the one that gets hit yowls.

Coward or not, how I am doesnt make you a better writer.

Its okay with me if you wanna collect gold stars that mean nuthin much, and get feedback from people who know less than you do.

How exactly does a halfwits opinion help you?

Sliding off the point, are we?

Nothing here is about what/why I post. I haven't slammed Lit. writers on this thread. You have.

In my case, I've posted nothing here that hasn't sold elsewhere--it's all sold.
(PM me, and I'll provide references to buyers who I can't see any reason won't acknowledge that they've bought it.) And some of it is selling again as part of anthology collections or recastings (Will be happy to index that for you too, if you can't read my signature line. ). Posting it here doesn't seem to have any effect on whether someone will buy it elsewhere or in another format (which surprises the hell of of me, frankly).

And I post and sell erotica in the venues I do because I can't link it to what I publish and sell in the mainstream.

So, your fake reasoning doesn't even hold water, as I can attest to.

But again, you're the issue here, not me. No, you don't post it here simply because it doesn't exist. You're running on empty.

 

[TE999]

Anyway.

Who's for flinging poo at JBJ?

See my post #177, and #184 too. LOL

We could make a few bucks.

 

[CeriseNoire]

I think poetry does feel more personal.

I do agree with you there.

And there is personal history that I won't go into, but there is a reason many of us have pulled our poetry and/or don't post it on Lit anymore.

Anyway.

Who's for flinging poo at JBJ?

This is Lit; there's always personal history between people who've been here long enough.

And I don't begrudge anyone their right to dislike one area or another. I was just saying my personal experience was different. Then again, the suff that's really close to my heart doesn't make it here since I'd rather have my real name on it someday.

And wait, you're the one flinging poo?!

 

[Guest]

This is Lit; there's always personal history between people who've been here long enough.

And I don't begrudge anyone their right to dislike one area or another. I was just saying my personal experience was different. Then again, the suff that's really close to my heart doesn't make it here since I'd rather have my real name on it someday.

And wait, you're the one flinging poo?!

Well, there was so much of it lying around.

Edited to add - because JBJ has been posting a lot lately.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

They do get snarky and critical over at PFD, but then again, no more so than at the AH or in Story Feedback (which would be fairer to compare it to since they are closer in purpose).

The first time I posted for writing advice (for a passage in a story) in the AH, I got several pompous, snarky responses, and several friendly and/or useful ones. The first time I posted for feedback in the PFD forum I got some snarky, pompous responses and some useful and/or friendly ones. I know I took the poetry feedback more personally, but I think that's because poetry makes me feel more vulnerable. Anyway in both cases, I got over the nasty and took the useful, and I feel my writing in both genres has gotten better for it.

All I'm saying is that there may be some Poets who love to pounce on newcomers, but that's certainly not a behavior that's foreign to AHers. I know I've been guilty of it on occasion.

That's my take on it.

I don't think there are any artists as nasty, bitter, wildly competitive and screamingly jealous as writers. Even when we mean well and are genuinely happy for one another's successes, inside we still burn with rage and green-eyed envy. We're insanely hypersensitive, hypercritical egotists engaged in a lonely and difficult and generally neglected endeavor that has no reward but praise, and there's precious little of that to go around. So when someone floats by and yells out, "Eh, you guys suck!", it just drives us crazy, because we're of course afraid it's true.

 

[Guest]

I don't think there are any artists as nasty, bitter, wildly competitive and screamingly jealous as writers. Even when we mean well and are genuinely happy for one another's successes, inside we still burn with rage and green-eyed envy. We're insanely hypersensitive, hypercritical egotists engaged in a lonely and difficult and generally neglected endeavor that has no reward but praise, and there's precious little of that to go around. So when someone floats by and yells out, "Eh, you guys suck!", it just drives us crazy, because we're of course afraid it's true.

Some of us suck very well.

Just saying.

 

[Weird Harold]

Actually I meant we here in the AH would sell the tickets to the poo flinging exhibition; poor phrasing there, just call me one of the inferior writers.

It wasn't difficult to guess that you meant a charity fund-raiser by the AH rather than a profit-making venture for the poo-flingers, however...

What you meant is not what you wrote and that is, at least nominally, what this thread is abvout: writers who don't communicate what they mean throguh what they write.

 

[sr71plt]

I don't think there are any artists as nasty, bitter, wildly competitive and screamingly jealous as writers. Even when we mean well and are genuinely happy for one another's successes, inside we still burn with rage and green-eyed envy. We're insanely hypersensitive, hypercritical egotists engaged in a lonely and difficult and generally neglected endeavor that has no reward but praise, and there's precious little of that to go around. So when someone floats by and yells out, "Eh, you guys suck!", it just drives us crazy, because we're of course afraid it's true.

Well, yes, between writers. But between writers and one who claims to be a writer but will show no evidence of being one and still wants to be snotty about writers . . . ?

 

[Weird Harold]

So when someone floats by and yells out, "Eh, you guys suck!", it just drives us crazy, because we're of course afraid it's true.

It is often even worse than being afraid that it's true -- I'm firmly convinced that it is true and can't understand why anyone would choose one of my stories for inclusion in an anthology and pay me for it.

I am however, also firmly convinced that I haven't embarassed myself with any of my submissions because they're as error free as I can make them and will defend the few remaining errors as "artistic license."

I'm not particularly bothered by bad sytlistic choices, like first-second POV, because I simple hit <back> for those stories.

What "bothers" me is the lack of personal pride suggested by the fact that gross technical errors don't seem to bother a lot of authors -- or a lot of readers.

 

[TE999]

It wasn't difficult to guess that you meant a charity fund-raiser by the AH rather than a profit-making venture for the poo-flingers, however...

What you meant is not what you wrote and that is, at least nominally, what this thread is abvout: writers who don't communicate what they mean throguh what they write.

Point taken. We could all brush up on our communication skills.

You misspelled 2 words btw.

 

[champagne1982]

They're good at that -- all while proclaiming (in apparent sincerity) that they don't try to make others feel inferior.

I don't recommend praising everything as fabulous, but as far as that forum goes, the prevalence of sneering is very distasteful to me.

She's not alone. There are many, many more that feel the same way, but no longer bother to voice it, since it does no good.

She's not alone.

What good do you want to come of slapping other people down for their personal opinions? I'm really very curious ladies. You don't fear voicing how you feel but you've never expressed a coherent plan for change. What do you want to change?

Let it go into the drawer of things that get dusty. All it does is stink when you bring it out into the air. What you perceive as having huge consequence is likely gone from the foreminds of most people. I for one, don't know, nor care where your snerk lies.

You should get over it, too much bile can wear an ulcer in your craw.

 

[Guest]

It is often even worse than being afraid that it's true -- I'm firmly convinced that it is true and can't understand why anyone would choose one of my stories for inclusion in an anthology and pay me for it.

I am however, also firmly convinced that I haven't embarassed myself with any of my submissions because they're as error free as I can make them and will defend the few remaining errors as "artistic license."

I'm not particularly bothered by bad sytlistic choices, like first-second POV, because I simple hit <back> for those stories.

What "bothers" me is the lack of personal pride suggested by the fact that gross technical errors don't seem to bother a lot of authors -- or a lot of readers.

Many readers who are just looking for stroke don't care, though, Harold. They've here for the free porn, which is actually well-organized and separated into specific categories.

Grammar? Does it matter?

And I've come to the conclusion that many writers just don't know any better.

 

[Guest]

What good do you want to come of slapping other people down for their personal opinions? I'm really very curious ladies. You don't fear voicing how you feel but you've never expressed a coherent plan for change. What do you want to change?

Let it go into the drawer of things that get dusty. All it does is stink when you bring it out into the air. What you perceive as having huge consequence is likely gone from the foreminds of most people. I for one, don't know, nor care where your snerk lies.

You should get over it, too much bile can wear an ulcer in your craw.

Pot, kettle, I think.

 

[Guest]

Point taken. We could all brush up on our communication skills.

You misspelled 2 words btw.

You are naughty.