smartandsexy
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Thanks! Could I have one in pink?
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do I really need to say it again? are you having trouble reading? you made an outrageous claim. I asked for proof. you gave none. that's where our story stops. or should have.
as it is, it stops here.
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RoryN
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That's not your whole motive. And any thinking person can see that.
Once you've graduated from hiding ulterior motives and hair splitting tactics, maybe I'll engage in conversation with you again. But I'm sure you don't care.
smartandsexy
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OK, I managed to google the answer to my own question. In case anyone else is interested, the ban on black men holding the priesthood still stands in the FLDS, and apparently there were quite a few LDS members that moved over to the FLDS in the wake of the revelation to extend the priesthood. It sounds much like the decamp of many Anglicans to the Catholic church when they began ordaining women.
I'm still trying to find out about the other doctrinal differences.
I'm still trying to find out about the other doctrinal differences.
Barabbas
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Start with Temple Rites.
smartandsexy
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Or if you know, you could just tell me. Radical notion, I know.
I know a bed was found in the temple in the compound, but is there anything documented about its role in any ordinances?
smartandsexy
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K, I'm off for fish and chips in honour of some bloke and his dragon, but I'll check back later.
i could die for good fish and chips right now.
HenryFastpants
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That's rather extreme
Barabbas
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Or if you know, you could just tell me. Radical notion, I know.
Is there documentation? I don't know. But there's tons of speculation.
And I would assume that the bed would be found in the Celestial Room, not the temple itself. But who knows?
Mormons have softened some of their temple rituals. As far as I know, women don't have to wear veils in the Temples anymore and the graphic threats of evisceration for betrayal of secret ordinances is no longer practiced.
Sean
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You and your colonial should be watching the footy.
so is my love for proper fish and chips.
smartandsexy
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It was disappointing actually, so don't feel too jealous. Our local place was closed for refurbishment so we ended up at a chain place.
The ordinance rooms are within the temple.
Yep, the LDS have toned down the endowment rituals quite a bit over the years.
Meh. We wondered why the pubs were so packed. I guessed footy.
RoryN
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These sound like wonderful people. I'm sooooooooo sad the State took the children away from their families.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24388249/
Official: History of injuries to polygamist kids
At least 41 had broken bones; possible sex abuse of boys investigated
Report: Polygamists' kids show past injuries
April 30: Child Welfare officials say that there is a history of physical injuries to the children at the Texas polygamist ranch. NBC's Don Teague reports.
AUSTIN, Texas - The chief of protective services in Texas told state legislators Wednesday that investigators have uncovered a history of physical injuries, including broken bones, in children taken from a polygamous sect.
Commissioner Carey Cockerell, who oversees the state agency now caring for the children, said medical examinations have revealed numerous physical injuries, including broken bones in "very young children."
Cockerell also told a state legislative committee that mothers who stayed with their children in state custody launched a coordinated effort to stymie investigators, coaching their children to not answer questions.
FLDS spokesman Rod Parker called Cockerell's testimony "a deliberate effort to mislead the public."
Parker said any broken bones would have been treated in medical facilities away from the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado and that doctors are required to report suspected abuse.
Parker said state officials were "trying to politically inoculate themselves from the consequences of this horrible tragedy."
State authorities raided a ranch owned by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a renegade Mormon sect, on April 3. More than 450 children are in state foster facilities from the raid.
The agency later released more information on its Web site, stating that:
"Medical exams and reports by the children indicate that at least 41 children have had broken bones in the past. We do not have X-rays or complete medical information on many children so it is too early to draw any conclusions based on this information, but it is cause for concern and something we’ll continue to examine."
"Based on interviews with the children and journal entries found at the ranch, we are continuing to look into the possible sexual abuse of some young boys."
On Tuesday, child welfare officials reported that one of the teens now in foster care had given birth to a boy.
“The boy is healthy and the mother is doing well,” Patrick Crimmins, spokesman for the state Child Protective Services, said of the birth Tuesday at Central Texas Medical Center.
The mother is “younger than 18” and will remain with her son in a nearby foster care facility until a formal custody hearing will determine the pair’s fate sometime before June 5, Crimmins said. He declined to give any other details about the teen or where she and the baby would stay.
The teen’s mother was present for the birth, but Crimmins said he didn’t know who alerted her that her daughter was in labor.
Parker, the sect's spokesman, says the teen is 18. Texas officials have the girl on a list of minors taken into state custody.
Two armed state troopers and at least one person wearing the shirt of a Department of Family and Protective Services worker stood outside the maternity ward Tuesday. A woman wearing the FLDS’s trademark pastel prairie dress and upswept braided hair sat calmly in the nearby waiting room.
Most underage girls conceived
On Monday, CPS announced that almost 60 percent of the underage girls living on the Eldorado ranch either have children or are pregnant.
Of the 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 who are in state custody, 31 either have given birth or were expecting, Azar said.
Under Texas law, children under the age of 17 generally cannot consent to sex with an adult. A girl can get married with parental permission at 16, but none of the sect’s girls is believed to have a legal marriage under state law.
A number of girls first listed as adults were reclassified as minors as Child Protective Services, a division of Family and Protective Services, moved the children last week from a mass shelter in San Angelo to foster care facilities around the state, including some near San Marcos, in central Texas.
Church officials have denied that any children were abused at the ranch and say the state’s actions are a form of religious persecution. They also dispute the count of teen mothers, saying at least some are likely adults.
All the children are supposed to get individual hearings before June 5 to help determine if they’ll stay in state custody or if their parents may be able to take steps to regain custody. The first hearings have been set for May 19.
No one has been charged since the raid, which was prompted by a series of calls to a domestic abuse hot line, purportedly from a 16-year-old girl forced into a marriage recognized only by the sect with a man three times her age. That girl has not been found and authorities are investigating whether the call was a hoax.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24388249/
Official: History of injuries to polygamist kids
At least 41 had broken bones; possible sex abuse of boys investigated
Report: Polygamists' kids show past injuries
April 30: Child Welfare officials say that there is a history of physical injuries to the children at the Texas polygamist ranch. NBC's Don Teague reports.
AUSTIN, Texas - The chief of protective services in Texas told state legislators Wednesday that investigators have uncovered a history of physical injuries, including broken bones, in children taken from a polygamous sect.
Commissioner Carey Cockerell, who oversees the state agency now caring for the children, said medical examinations have revealed numerous physical injuries, including broken bones in "very young children."
Cockerell also told a state legislative committee that mothers who stayed with their children in state custody launched a coordinated effort to stymie investigators, coaching their children to not answer questions.
FLDS spokesman Rod Parker called Cockerell's testimony "a deliberate effort to mislead the public."
Parker said any broken bones would have been treated in medical facilities away from the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado and that doctors are required to report suspected abuse.
Parker said state officials were "trying to politically inoculate themselves from the consequences of this horrible tragedy."
State authorities raided a ranch owned by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a renegade Mormon sect, on April 3. More than 450 children are in state foster facilities from the raid.
The agency later released more information on its Web site, stating that:
"Medical exams and reports by the children indicate that at least 41 children have had broken bones in the past. We do not have X-rays or complete medical information on many children so it is too early to draw any conclusions based on this information, but it is cause for concern and something we’ll continue to examine."
"Based on interviews with the children and journal entries found at the ranch, we are continuing to look into the possible sexual abuse of some young boys."
On Tuesday, child welfare officials reported that one of the teens now in foster care had given birth to a boy.
“The boy is healthy and the mother is doing well,” Patrick Crimmins, spokesman for the state Child Protective Services, said of the birth Tuesday at Central Texas Medical Center.
The mother is “younger than 18” and will remain with her son in a nearby foster care facility until a formal custody hearing will determine the pair’s fate sometime before June 5, Crimmins said. He declined to give any other details about the teen or where she and the baby would stay.
The teen’s mother was present for the birth, but Crimmins said he didn’t know who alerted her that her daughter was in labor.
Parker, the sect's spokesman, says the teen is 18. Texas officials have the girl on a list of minors taken into state custody.
Two armed state troopers and at least one person wearing the shirt of a Department of Family and Protective Services worker stood outside the maternity ward Tuesday. A woman wearing the FLDS’s trademark pastel prairie dress and upswept braided hair sat calmly in the nearby waiting room.
Most underage girls conceived
On Monday, CPS announced that almost 60 percent of the underage girls living on the Eldorado ranch either have children or are pregnant.
Of the 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 who are in state custody, 31 either have given birth or were expecting, Azar said.
Under Texas law, children under the age of 17 generally cannot consent to sex with an adult. A girl can get married with parental permission at 16, but none of the sect’s girls is believed to have a legal marriage under state law.
A number of girls first listed as adults were reclassified as minors as Child Protective Services, a division of Family and Protective Services, moved the children last week from a mass shelter in San Angelo to foster care facilities around the state, including some near San Marcos, in central Texas.
Church officials have denied that any children were abused at the ranch and say the state’s actions are a form of religious persecution. They also dispute the count of teen mothers, saying at least some are likely adults.
All the children are supposed to get individual hearings before June 5 to help determine if they’ll stay in state custody or if their parents may be able to take steps to regain custody. The first hearings have been set for May 19.
No one has been charged since the raid, which was prompted by a series of calls to a domestic abuse hot line, purportedly from a 16-year-old girl forced into a marriage recognized only by the sect with a man three times her age. That girl has not been found and authorities are investigating whether the call was a hoax.
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who ever said they were wonderful?
RoryN
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Where did I say someone said they were wonderful?
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welp...
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the OP and ishmael. At least that's how they act in defending them unilaterally ...
RoryN
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Right. Said, of course, with the /sarcasm tag (above). And?
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the OP and ishmael. At least that's how they act in defending them unilaterally ...
eh.
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RoryN
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the OP and ishmael. At least that's how they act in defending them unilaterally ...
There's a small group of posters on the GB who actively seek out to protect the image of the Mormon church. Oftentimes, they're not up front about their motives. That's typical with people who have interests related to the LDS church.
Remember, it's not The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints anymore. It's the "Foundation for a Better Life".
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There's a small group of posters on the GB who actively seek out to protect the image of the Mormon church. Oftentimes, they're not up front about their motives. That's typical with people who have interests related to the LDS church.
Remember, it's not The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints anymore. It's the "Foundation for a Better Life".
the people you're posting about are not members of the Mormon church. let it go.
RoryN
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I didn't say they were, did I?
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bah, I'm not doing this again.
I have you on ignore for a reason.
sorry I opened the posts in the first place.
