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pink_silk_glove said:
How are you measuring failure? What are the criteria for failure?
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You're right, in your case, you didn't fail because you didn't try. But when you belittle an audience as stupid you set yourself up for a failure.

The LW audience are the very same readers you find reading bdsm, fetish, reluctance, and probably even erotic couplings. I'd bet many are older married men who are either married or have been. While they may love to read porn, erotica or whatever you want to call it in several forms. Kink aside, they have an idea of what marriage is or should be.
No, they are not naive enough to not understand infidelity. Nor are they stupid. Many have experienced a failed marriage (for whatever reason). It is one reason they react the way they do to cheating.
Many see extramarital sex as an eventual killer of the marriage. (Of course there are exceptions.) They are attuned to a story they read and identify with the characters. The author's idea 'it is only story, get over it' is not going to make points with the reader.

The best stories truly engage the reader. (Not just engage the reader with his hand.)
 
I'm neither condemning @pink_silk_glove's views nor approving them, but! Unlike other kink categories on Literotica, there's almost no way to comprehend or adequately plan for the variations of readers in Loving Wives. There are as many who read cuckolding for the cuckold aspects as those who read hating willing cuckolding, as there are those that hate or love humiliation tales, as many who crave reconciliation at any cost, as those who need to burn the bitch, as racists who can't stand interracial, as those who love interracial. And that might only be half the total of different kink-oriented readers who read tales there.
Gamblnluck said:
You're right, in your case, you didn't fail because you didn't try. But when you belittle an audience as stupid you set yourself up for a failure.

The LW audience are the very same readers you find reading bdsm, fetish, reluctance, and probably even erotic couplings. I'd bet many are older married men who are either married or have been. While they may love to read porn, erotica or whatever you want to call it in several forms. Kink aside, they have an idea of what marriage is or should be.
No, they are not naive enough to not understand infidelity. Nor are they stupid. Many have experienced a failed marriage (for whatever reason). It is one reason they react the way they do to cheating.
Many see extramarital sex as an eventual killer of the marriage. (Of course there are exceptions.) They are attuned to a story they read and identify with the characters. The author's idea 'it is only story, get over it' is not going to make points with the reader.

The best stories truly engage the reader. (Not just engage the reader with his hand.)
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Gamblnluck said:
Did you expect to bomb? Then why bother to write it? Leaving a story open for the reader to imagine an ending almost never works. Especially in LW. What you wrote was simply a teaser.
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I wrote a short story that is short on detail to hit the LW category for the Survivor challenge. I didn’t want to put any more effort into it.
It’s performing as expected because everything I’ve read is that LW scores tend to be about a point less than stories people write in other categories.
It’s also performing as expected because I’m getting lots of comments. Some of them are supportive, also as expected.
 
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MillieDynamite said:
I'm neither condemning @pink_silk_glove's views nor approving them, but! Unlike other kink categories on Literotica, there's almost no way to comprehend or adequately plan for the variations of readers in Loving Wives. There are as many who read cuckolding for the cuckold aspects as those who read hating willing cuckolding, as there are those that hate or love humiliation tales, as many who crave reconciliation at any cost, as those who need to burn the bitch, as racists who can't stand interracial, as those who love interracial. And that might only be half the total of different kink-oriented readers who read tales there.
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Yes, but stories are not usually decided along just those categories. You will see comments along several of those points, even in highly rated stories. I'll address the the interacial first. The 'Big Black Cock' trope is one that will offend. The massive ghetto beast gang-banger who seduces the loving wife and then demeans her husband is NOT going to get traction. But black characters are used often. Justplaincraig is a black author, (I believe) but he does not use that trope. In fact one of his recurring black characters is the voice of reason for other characters.

I've said it before, and it bears repeating. If you want a successful story there, make the reaction of the characters conform with the way you describe them. Let the outcome be logical to the circumstances presented. Having your beleaguered MC suffer indecisively for a long time or stay married to the cheating wife 'because he loves her' and 'can't live without her' is not considered logical. Especially if he is angered by the cheating.

Reconciliation must be earned and must be plausible to the way the story is presented.

It's not that difficult, folks.
 
I think I accidentally wrote the LW story that all the regulars agree on.

This is from the "Comments That Make Your Day" thread, but it seemed to fit here, so I'll repost it.

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So, this isn't so much a comment that made my day as a lack of comments; or rather, a lack of negative comments.

Yesterday, Xenia went up in Loving Wives for the Crime and Punishment event. It's received 96 comments that I can see, as well as another 10-15 estimated that haven't made it through moderation yet.

And of those, I have received exactly zero negative comments.

In Loving Wives.

I mean, there were a handful that were like, "I saw where this was going," but most of those also included stuff about "but I still enjoyed it, good writing, five stars." Or, "I don't like [plot element redacted], but I liked this. 4.5 stars." But no "I hate everything about this, you're a shit writer, etc."

The BTB folks like it. The RAAC folks like it. The "I'm just here for good stories" guys like it.

And no one, so far, hates it.

It's nice, but also kind of unsettling.
 
NoTalentHack said:
I think I accidentally wrote the LW story that all the regulars agree on.

This is from the "Comments That Make Your Day" thread, but it seemed to fit here, so I'll repost it.

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So, this isn't so much a comment that made my day as a lack of comments; or rather, a lack of negative comments.

Yesterday, Xenia went up in Loving Wives for the Crime and Punishment event. It's received 96 comments that I can see, as well as another 10-15 estimated that haven't made it through moderation yet.

And of those, I have received exactly zero negative comments.

In Loving Wives.

I mean, there were a handful that were like, "I saw where this was going," but most of those also included stuff about "but I still enjoyed it, good writing, five stars." Or, "I don't like [plot element redacted], but I liked this. 4.5 stars." But no "I hate everything about this, you're a shit writer, etc."

The BTB folks like it. The RAAC folks like it. The "I'm just here for good stories" guys like it.

And no one, so far, hates it.

It's nice, but also kind of unsettling.
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The cheating wife haters like it for the way it ended. "Cheating doesn't pay!" A cheating wife story is good, if SOMEBODY pays the price to show it wasn't worth it.

Others looking for a good extra-marital fun and sharing in an LW story enjoy your descriptive writing style. I haven't fully read the story yet, and just skimmed through it. So, I won't rate it until I do completely read it. But I got the overall arc and ending to know it's probably a 5 (even though I don't care much for cheating stories.)
 
Gamblnluck said:
Having your beleaguered MC suffer indecisively for a long time or stay married to the cheating wife 'because he loves her' and 'can't live without her' is not considered logical. ...
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so my marriage was illogical?
That explains a lot
 
I've only written two stories that were published in Loving Wives, and neither was well accepted. However, they were both written at the request of fans and using their outlines, not mine. And despite that being stated, they still attacked me for writing them and accused me of being a cheating wife and whore. So, I don't post there, don't like writing cuckold stories, don't read them, and all the men in my stories generally have big cocks because that's what men like for fictional men to have.

I'm not writing for success in that category; it disgusts me as much as those who attack me, but I realize it is fiction, and screaming at the author isn't a productive use of their time. In general, a quick glance at tags would tell most of these people not to read the stories they hate! But the men who attack writers were looking to be offended.
Gamblnluck said:
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Yes, but stories are not usually decided along just those categories. You will see comments along several of those points, even in highly rated stories. I'll address the the interacial first. The 'Big Black Cock' trope is one that will offend. The massive ghetto beast gang-banger who seduces the loving wife and then demeans her husband is NOT going to get traction. But black characters are used often. Justplaincraig is a black author, (I believe) but he does not use that trope. In fact one of his recurring black characters is the voice of reason for other characters.

I've said it before, and it bears repeating. If you want a successful story there, make the reaction of the characters conform with the way you describe them. Let the outcome be logical to the circumstances presented. Having your beleaguered MC suffer indecisively for a long time or stay married to the cheating wife 'because he loves her' and 'can't live without her' is not considered logical. Especially if he is angered by the cheating.

Reconciliation must be earned and must be plausible to the way the story is presented.

It's not that difficult, folks.
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It might be he's never read Hosea in the Old Testament. Or perhaps, never met others who either put up with it or were around men who actually asked their wives to have sex with other men. Possibly, he's sheltered from modern society and still lives in a 50s household environment. Then again, maybe no man asked him to fuck their wife, but he did ask one of his other friends to do so. One can never be sure why another person doesn't understand other people's predilections, and because they differ from his own, they must be wrong.
sirhugs said:
so my marriage was illogical?
That explains a lot
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Maybe I could write one from a lesbian couple’s point of view, or is that not something most would care to read. Or just maybe bury it in the lesbian category?
 
JordynRose said:
Maybe I could write one from a lesbian couple’s point of view, or is that not something most would care to read. Or just maybe bury it in the lesbian category?
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Actually, it might make a decent story. It depends how you write it. In some ways a second woman is not a threat like a man would be. But if the situation was reversed... In one of my stories, my MC's first wife cheated on him with his partner's sister and were now a couple. He stayed in touch and even as friends. His present wife decided to cheat and that was the story. She thought hubby was a cuck because of his ex plus he wrote stories for an online site.
She learned she'd misread the situation way too late.
 
And while we are on the cuckolding subject, a cuckqueen is not a woman who cucks her husband, whether he is willing or not. But rather, a woman who either enjoys and watches, or is forced to suffer through her husband fucking other women.
 
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