The 50 Plus Cafe, Pub, All-Nite Greasy Spoon and Dive Bar

[Tweedledude]

Was just joking around. Was hoping for some good news, as my back is always hurting.

I remember the day i injured my back. I was fairly young. I didn’t pay much attention to it but over the years it hurt but not to the point i paid it match attention. As i aged it became more pronounced. I’ve tried chiropractic, orthopedic, several RFAs and cortisone shots. The MRI shows one disk slightly compressed and arthritis on both sides if lower spine. I refer to it as my “friend”. Always there and on occasion very irritating. The only thing I’ve found as a relationship is that the pain is proportional to my waist size. If i keep my BMI in check the pain is so much less irritating. I’ve also noticed that if i train with at trainer using resistance training the stronger my core the less the pain.
I read a book called The Barbell Prescription: Strength Training for Life After 40 based upon my experience i agree with the author. Even doing all of the above on occasion it still bites but usually is short lived. That’s been my experience. I have to admit on occasion the RFAs really helped allot.

Hence the quote “If i knew i was going to live so long i would of taken better care of myself”. Good luck.
From my favorite philosopher Red Green "Remember, I'm pullin' for ya," and "We're all in this together"

 

[Tweedledude]

Happy Tuesday everyone...
I say that more to remind myself so I stay on track the rest of the week
Quick catch up then I need to dive back into work...

Sounds like a much-loved ritual

Hmm...my moods seem to be cycling

I agree w/ @Wonderer67 ... gorgeous!!

Aww... we miss you, too

Thank you... Didn't think I was up on the jargon... and it can differ from job to job or industry to industry.

I do like the way you think

Yikes!! Sounds awful!! Take care and hope the cook on this hitch does you right.

My 2 cents:
Handwashing - and wash "common items" like door knobs, faucets, toilet handles, remote controls, etc.
Broth - bone broth has those electrolytes plus protein
Rest - sleep is good medicine!!
Hope you feel better soon!!

Now where have I heard that before?
JK - even this Yank has heard of Camp Pendleton even if I've never been

Ugh - short weeks are the worst IMO. Mostly because it ends up fraught with people trying to fit 5 pounds of in a 4 pound bag

You and Wonderer both... hmm, correlation or causation at work

Definitely better than the alternative! Hope you're able to work the kinks out

Thank you, OM. It's good to reflect and remember from time to time.

Well, I wasn't offended before...
jk
Yes, I think most Marines cycle through at some point. I've yet to meet a Marine without a story about their time at Camp Pendleton.

See? Jargon... hitch, tour... apologies in advance if I don't recall which to use with each of you...

We all benefit from our wonderful medical team at the café... hope you follow enough to help make a difference, @Greylag. Feel better soon

That doesn't sound relaxing at all
Safe travels at the end of your tour hitch

OMG - I can so see you two together doing this

I'm torn... on the one hand, a clear candidate for "thin the herd"... on the other, who wants to eat dumb meat? I mean, what other dumb things did this one do or pick up? Eeeeewww, right?

What is with your deer, you two? Are they too familiar with humans? The deer I've encountered in the Midwest are much more skittish IMO.

Yeah, the downside of long road trips. I hope either you're home soon or you can manufacture some time apart - maybe with a willing relative??

Thanks L2 i look forward to your post weekend synopsis.

 

[B2fromA2looking4U]

RA (Rheumatoid Arthritis) is one possibility and one type of arthritis.

Here is a more generalized response from the internet... for anything more specific (like a diagnosis of RA), please consult your doctor...

Differentiating between general lower back pain and arthritis of the lower back (often referred to as lumbar spine arthritis or spondylosis) involves examining the cause, symptoms, duration, and diagnostic findings. Here's how you can distinguish them:

​

---

1. Cause & Onset


[TR]
[TD]Feature[/TD]

[TD]General Lower Back Pain[/TD]

[TD]Arthritis of the Lower Back[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cause[/TD]

[TD]Strain, injury, poor posture, lifting[/TD]

[TD]Degenerative changes in joints/discs (aging)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Onset[/TD]

[TD]Sudden or after specific activity[/TD]

[TD]Gradual, worsens over time[/TD]
[/TR]

​

---

2. Pain Characteristics


[TR]
[TD]Feature[/TD]

[TD]General Lower Back Pain[/TD]

[TD]Arthritis of the Lower Back[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pain Timing[/TD]

[TD]Worse after activity; relieved by rest[/TD]

[TD]Stiff in the morning or after inactivity[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Duration[/TD]

[TD]Often resolves in days to weeks[/TD]

[TD]Chronic (lasting >3 months)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pain Pattern[/TD]

[TD]Can be sharp, stabbing, localized[/TD]

[TD]Dull, aching, deep pain[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Improvement with Use[/TD]

[TD]Activity may worsen it[/TD]

[TD]Movement often eases stiffness (initially)[/TD]
[/TR]

​

---

3. Associated Symptoms


[TR]
[TD]Feature[/TD]

[TD]General Lower Back Pain[/TD]

[TD]Arthritis of the Lower Back[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stiffness[/TD]

[TD]Less common[/TD]

[TD]Common, especially in the morning[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Radiating Pain[/TD]

[TD]If nerve is involved (sciatica)[/TD]

[TD]May radiate if bone spurs affect nerves[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Crepitus (grinding)[/TD]

[TD]Rare[/TD]

[TD]Possible, due to joint degeneration[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Reduced Range of Motion[/TD]

[TD]Less typical[/TD]

[TD]Common with advanced arthritis[/TD]
[/TR]

​

---

4. Diagnosis


[TR]
[TD]Diagnostic Tool[/TD]

[TD]General Lower Back Pain[/TD]

[TD]Arthritis of the Lower Back[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Physical Exam[/TD]

[TD]Muscle tenderness, motion pain[/TD]

[TD]Limited spine motion, pain on extension[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]X-ray / MRI[/TD]

[TD]Often normal[/TD]

[TD]Shows disc narrowing, osteophytes (bone spurs), facet joint degeneration[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Blood Tests[/TD]

[TD]Not usually helpful[/TD]

[TD]May rule out inflammatory types of arthritis (e.g., ankylosing spondylitis)[/TD]
[/TR]

​

---

5. Treatment Response


[TR]
[TD]Treatment[/TD]

[TD]General Lower Back Pain[/TD]

[TD]Arthritis of the Lower Back[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rest, heat/ice[/TD]

[TD]Often effective[/TD]

[TD]Temporary relief only[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NSAIDs, physical therapy[/TD]

[TD]Usually helpful[/TD]

[TD]Needed long-term, possibly less dramatic effect[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Injections or surgery[/TD]

[TD]Rarely needed[/TD]

[TD]May be considered in severe cases[/TD]
[/TR]

​

---

When to See a Doctor:

You should consult a healthcare provider if:

• The pain lasts more than a few weeks
• You experience numbness, tingling, or weakness
• You have morning stiffness lasting more than 30 minutes
• Pain interferes significantly with daily activities
• There’s weight loss, fever, or history of cancer/infection

​

---

Sources:

Here are reputable sources that provide detailed information on differentiating between general lower back pain and lumbar arthritis (also known as spinal osteoarthritis or lumbar spondylosis):

​

---

General Lower Back Pain vs. Lumbar Arthritis

• Verywell Health – Stiff Back Causes and Treatment
  Discusses common causes of lower back stiffness, including muscle strain and arthritis, and outlines treatment approaches. (Verywell Health)
• Medical News Today – Lumbar Arthritis: Symptoms, Causes, Diagnosis, and Treatment
  Provides an overview of lumbar arthritis, including symptoms, causes, and treatment options.
• Healthline – Lumbar Arthritis: Symptoms, Treatment, and More
  Offers insights into the symptoms and treatment of lumbar arthritis.
• Cleveland Clinic – Spinal Arthritis: Symptoms & Treatment
  Details the symptoms and treatment options for spinal arthritis. (Cleveland Clinic)
• Johns Hopkins Medicine – Spinal Arthritis (Arthritis in the Back or Neck)
  Explains the causes and symptoms of spinal arthritis and available treatment options.

​

---

Diagnostic Tools & Differentiation

• Spine-Health – Symptoms of Arthritis of the Spine
  Describes the symptoms of arthritis in the spine and how they differ from other conditions. (Spine-health)
• Medscape – Spondylolisthesis, Spondylolysis, and Spondylosis Treatment & Management
  Discusses the treatment and management of various spinal conditions, including spondylosis. (Medscape)

​

---

Inflammatory vs. Degenerative Back Pain

• Self – 5 Signs That Your Ongoing Back Pain Could Actually Be Axial Spondyloarthritis
  Highlights signs that differentiate inflammatory back pain from degenerative causes.
• Self – 6 Types of Arthritis That Can Cause Back Pain
  Explores various types of arthritis, including inflammatory and degenerative forms, that can cause back pain. (SELF)

​

---

Thank you!

 

[Wonderer67]

I have spinal stenosis, which is basically arthritis of the spinal column. The arthritis hits some of the nerve endings and really causes some pain, anywhere from annoying every day pain that’s always there in my SI joints to really painful sciatica “jolts.”

I agree with tweedle.

Working out, exercise, and being in shape definitely has helped me. Stretching is a bigee.

My discs between l5 and l6 and l4 and l5 are both in pretty rough shape - some bulging discs and other wear and tear.

Does anyone know the symptoms of arthritis in the lower back and how it’s different from lower back pain? Yes I have been having lower back pain especially in the morning and today it’s lasting longer than usual.

I think arthritis in a lower back can cause lower back pain, depending what type and where the arthritic joints are.

 

[Rj_1954]

I'm kinda in a jam with my medical treatments. My primary care physician is a member of the Kettering Network.
A week ago it was the recipient of a Cyber attack which took out the entire network ie: phones, computers, diagnostics, everything, at least walkins are still available but any documentation is pen & paper for now. I can't even email my doctor. The news said it could be months before the system could be manageable again. I could go to a different hospital, but my insurance coverage might be out of network.

 

[Wonderer67]

So. What does the pain feel.like...

Some delayed muscle pain can be normal but if severe or feels like tingling or is accompanied with numbness or nerve like pain she should.be seen by a doc

No numbness. She went to the urge ent care. They are doing some tests for Lyme and also for a few other tick borne diseases

 

[dkak001]

I remember the day i injured my back. I was fairly young. I didn’t pay much attention to it but over the years it hurt but not to the point i paid it match attention. As i aged it became more pronounced. I’ve tried chiropractic, orthopedic, several RFAs and cortisone shots. The MRI shows one disk slightly compressed and arthritis on both sides if lower spine. I refer to it as my “friend”. Always there and on occasion very irritating. The only thing I’ve found as a relationship is that the pain is proportional to my waist size. If i keep my BMI in check the pain is so much less irritating. I’ve also noticed that if i train with at trainer using resistance training the stronger my core the less the pain.
I read a book called The Barbell Prescription: Strength Training for Life After 40 based upon my experience i agree with the author. Even doing all of the above on occasion it still bites but usually is short lived. That’s been my experience. I have to admit on occasion the RFAs really helped allot.

Hence the quote “If i knew i was going to live so long i would of taken better care of myself”. Good luck.
From my favorite philosopher Red Green "Remember, I'm pullin' for ya," and "We're all in this together"

Yeah, I believe exercise is very important. Back is only part of the picture here, tho. There are some other issues, and the back issues arise from those issues (we think). It's pretty much constant due to those exacerbating circumstances. But, we are still trying to sort the whole thing out.

Pretty consistent weight training and cardio for the last 25 years. Sadly, I've had to back off of the cardio over last few months as things have deteriorated. The heart and lungs will do it, but the muscles won't. Had to back off on most of the weight training a couple years ago, although I still try to do light resistance training and core strengthening stuff.

 

[likes2watchU]

I have spinal stenosis, which is basically arthritis of the spinal column

Yeah, I believe exercise is very important.

Anyone else having flashbacks? If only it were that easy, right?

I'm kinda in a jam with my medical treatments.

Oh no! I hope they figure something out soon!
Scary how we relied on paper and pen for so long and now that it's been gone only a short while returning to it feels like the Dark Ages once more.

No numbness. She went to the urge ent care. They are doing some tests for Lyme and also for a few other tick borne diseases

Sending positive energy your way for some good results. Those tick illnesses are no joke!!

 

[Wonderer67]

Sending positive energy your way for some good results. Those tick illnesses are no joke!!

Thanks. We do not know if it’s a tickborne illness or actually just something physical. My wife is very sensitive to certain things.

The massage therapist really gave her a workout and did a number on her arm. We’re both half convinced (and hoping) that it’s something muscular rather than something tick borne.

 

[Boat1]

Thanks. We do not know if it’s a tickborne illness or actually just something physical. My wife is very sensitive to certain things.

The massage therapist really gave her a workout and did a number on her arm. We’re both half convinced (and hoping) that it’s something muscular rather than something tick borne.

Are you familiar with Comfrey?... the old timers called it "bone knit" due to its healing properties.
It's the primary ingredient in the Dr. Christopher's ointment that I linked earlier.
I grow it as well. It'll take the pain out of a yellow jacket sting in 90 seconds.

I boiled my hand, like a pack of hotdogs once, to get a generator online for the ship's power. Not only did Comfrey ointment eliminate the pain, but it had new skin grown by the time the blisters peeled off.

 

[Oldermom935]

My roomba!

 

[Oldermom935]

Men and toys!

 

[Oldermom935]

FIRE !!!

 

[Oldermom935]

I see ....Europeans!!!

 

[Greylag]

Well followed the nurses advice and feeling a lot better today. I did eat a little so hoping the worst is over after a good nights sleep. I must thank you all for yoir good wishes.

 

[Greylag]

Reflecting on a great week in Oxfordshire celebrating birthdays for both children. I thought I would let you have some archetypal pics of the Thames and the village my friend lives in.

 

[Boat1]

Reflecting on a great week in Oxfordshire celebrating birthdays for both children. I thought I would let you have some archetypal pics of the Thames and the village my friend lives in.

Thanks for the lovely share!

 

[Boat1]

I hope y'all don't think I'm "spamming" you... I'm just sharing information that might be beneficial to you, as it DEFINITELY has helped me and my friends/family numerous times.
I learned it from a Podcaster that I trust and have listened to from episode 1...

https://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/tsprw-93

 

[Boat1]

Well followed the nurses advice and feeling a lot better today. I did eat a little so hoping the worst is over after a good nights sleep. I must thank you all for yoir good wishes.

Proud to hear that!

 

[dkak001]

Reflecting on a great week in Oxfordshire celebrating birthdays for both children. I thought I would let you have some archetypal pics of the Thames and the village my friend lives in.

Have some friends there. A bunch of them took a long ferry trip not too long ago. Pictures looked interesting. I'd like to see all of that some day.

 

[Boat1]

Have some friends there. A bunch of them took a long ferry trip not too long ago. Pictures looked interesting. I'd like to see all of that some day.

Ditto on wanting to see it!

 

[Rj_1954]

@Boat1
I hope you don't think I'm ignoring you. I'm not, I read your posts. I'm just occupied with Real Life right now, but I'm looking forward to talk soon....

 

[likes2watchU]

Whoo... busy day... good, but busy

FIRE !!!View attachment 2543731

I had to look that one up... Fire Blanket
Nope. I was never going to get there.

Closest was "Men, while you're at the urinal, look for someone on fire, turn around, and do a good deed for the day".
(Yeah - that's wrong, too... you pee on jellyfish stings, not open flames... unless it's a weenie roast - everybody knows that )

Well followed the nurses advice and feeling a lot better today. I did eat a little so hoping the worst is over after a good nights sleep. I must thank you all for yoir good wishes.

Excellent news. So glad this cleared your system quickly.

I hope y'all don't think I'm "spamming" you... I'm just sharing information that might be beneficial to you, as it DEFINITELY has helped me and my friends/family numerous times.

It takes a village.
I'll take almost any/all tips and suggestions... I'll then evaluate if they're a good fit for my needs, but I'm open to hearing them. Thanks for passing along what is clearly a product that has had a positive impact for you and many others you know personally. That carries a lot more weight than a random 5-star rating online.

@Boat1
I hope you don't think I'm ignoring you. I'm not, I read your posts. I'm just occupied with Real Life right now, but I'm looking forward to talk soon....

Take care, Rj. That pesky Real Life can really get in the way at times. Do what you need to and we'll be here when you're free again.

 

[Mittering]

Ok, it's time. I promise this won't go on forever but imma spam a few raucous, rowdy and irreverent raccoon memes as promised.

 

[Mittering]